Just saw an Audi RS4
MBworld Guru
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 22,058
Likes: 18
From: Diamond Bar, CA
W206 PHEV AMG
Originally Posted by Vader13
You guys are getting worked up.
You have W203's no mater how it's branded.
W203's have been out for 5 years.
Now the E46 M is almost gone and replaced soon. (looks like a rolling turd)
The Audi Just came out.
The new CAMG is competing with these new cars.
Not the C55. (marketing facelift car, srry)
**** happens, I just got a GT3 now all the hype is around the 997GT3.
Get what you want and drive it untill you can afford to upgrade.
Thats how you do it.
You have W203's no mater how it's branded.
W203's have been out for 5 years.
Now the E46 M is almost gone and replaced soon. (looks like a rolling turd)
The Audi Just came out.
The new CAMG is competing with these new cars.
Not the C55. (marketing facelift car, srry)
**** happens, I just got a GT3 now all the hype is around the 997GT3.
Get what you want and drive it untill you can afford to upgrade.
Thats how you do it.
B6 and B7 has the same interior still with minor changes. For the RS4 they're probably only going to produce it for 1 year and than the brand new A4 will come out
Super Member
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 603
Likes: 0
From: Irvine, California
C32 AMG
Originally Posted by Fifth Ring
If you buy based on historic prestige, then you don't see the value in an Audi. If you buy based on the quality and sophistication of the car itself, then Audi is a better value than Benz.
C32s were being discounted because you don't get many car nuts in Benz dealerships. Car freaks go to BMW, then Audi -- most S4/M3 shoppers don't even know that there was a C32/C55. C32 was a great car that did not sell as well as the S4 and M3 due to Benz owner demographics and weak marketing.
The (B6) S4 has a V8, not a pumped up, 3 valve 6 cylinder engine. The S4 has a typical, gorgeous Audi interior. The S4 has all wheel drive. All good reasons to pay more.
I don't give cr@p about prestige. I buy and drive the best cars I can afford, and that meet my expectations for performance and comfort. I would have bought a B6 S4 in a heartbeat; I was just interested in a little variety after 14 years of Audi ownership.
Now, all that being said, the RS4 is overpriced, and will need to be discounted. Other than the original B5 S4, Audi has overpriced ALL of the "S" and "RS" cars they brought to the US. The RS6 was an $85,000 car. I'm just defending the brand, and the image, not the RS4.
C32s were being discounted because you don't get many car nuts in Benz dealerships. Car freaks go to BMW, then Audi -- most S4/M3 shoppers don't even know that there was a C32/C55. C32 was a great car that did not sell as well as the S4 and M3 due to Benz owner demographics and weak marketing.
The (B6) S4 has a V8, not a pumped up, 3 valve 6 cylinder engine. The S4 has a typical, gorgeous Audi interior. The S4 has all wheel drive. All good reasons to pay more.
I don't give cr@p about prestige. I buy and drive the best cars I can afford, and that meet my expectations for performance and comfort. I would have bought a B6 S4 in a heartbeat; I was just interested in a little variety after 14 years of Audi ownership.
Now, all that being said, the RS4 is overpriced, and will need to be discounted. Other than the original B5 S4, Audi has overpriced ALL of the "S" and "RS" cars they brought to the US. The RS6 was an $85,000 car. I'm just defending the brand, and the image, not the RS4.
what do you call a 5valve 340hp v8 that understeers to hell with awd and is only as fast as a 645ci? garbage
edit: they didnt buy an S4 cause they wre a carnut. They bought an S4 cause they didnt know any better...
my friend has a b5 Stage2+ s4 and even then, the performance is only okay.
crappy performance, no prestige, and it costs more than MB?? screw audi they should go back to competing with lexus
Last edited by IdriveFast; Jun 8, 2006 at 06:09 AM.
Super Member
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 603
Likes: 0
From: Irvine, California
C32 AMG
Originally Posted by Fifth Ring
Wow. When did 17 year olds suddenly start to care about prestige?
anyways, S4 still sucks and audi sucks and the people who buy them either dont know any better or just want to be different. When the M3 and C63 come out, the RS4 will also suck in comparison.
Last edited by IdriveFast; Jun 8, 2006 at 09:40 AM.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,513
Likes: 0
C32 AMG
Prestige is a result of a car's inherent quality. It's a logical shortcut to buy a car that is well known as having high quality; but it takes a true car enthusiast to ignore the lemmings and see/own a car for it's capabilities and quality.
But then what do I know? I like Audis.
But then what do I know? I like Audis.
Super Member
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 538
Likes: 2
From: Silicon valley
Audi C7.5 S6
It is difficult to find a Japanese car, I would want. The high end models, I have seen, are tacky & flashy inside, with lots of useless 'features'. Most of them don't have enough power. The German car interiors are better thought out and much more subtle, which makes them easier to live with.
I drove a G35, before I bought the C32, but it did not have enough power and the rear window visibility was not too good. Also, the tail end is very ugly.
Even the Skyline is pretty ugly, but it performs well.
I drove a G35, before I bought the C32, but it did not have enough power and the rear window visibility was not too good. Also, the tail end is very ugly.
Even the Skyline is pretty ugly, but it performs well.
Super Member
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 568
Likes: 0
From: LI, NYC
NEW 08' M6 CAB, 06' 997 911 CS CAB, 09' RX350 AWD, 10' E350 4M, 10' Range Rover; FS: 04' C32 AMG= FS
Audi.
Originally Posted by IdriveFast
lets be honest. prestige is a large part of why people by german cars. other wise why are we paying so much when we could buy an infinity honda or whatever instead. you're lying to yourself by saying prestige has nothing to do with buying a car.
anyways, S4 still sucks and audi sucks and the people who buy them either dont know any better or just want to be different. When the M3 and C63 come out, the RS4 will also suck in comparison.
anyways, S4 still sucks and audi sucks and the people who buy them either dont know any better or just want to be different. When the M3 and C63 come out, the RS4 will also suck in comparison.
FIFTH RING... i dont know what exactly you were talking about when you said 17 year olds... but two years ago (at the age of 20) when i finally was able to afford my own car i cared just as equally about PRESTIGE, then i did about PERFORMANCE, STEERING, DESIGN, ETC... thats why i elaborated so much in my 1st thread about the C-AMG and other competitors. 50k for me at my age is a big deal, ESPECIALLY FOR AN A4. im sure when i get older later in my life i will hopefully think about 50k as though it was peanuts but at this time in my life spending anything over 40k for an AUDI (even that much) was RIDICULOUS, i so rather get any 3-series. 55k for a C-AMG sounded much better anyway. i think its truly a bargain, even more when it first came out as an 02' model.
ONCE AGAIN, AUDI being not as good performance and not nearly as much of PRESTIGEs COMPANY should NOT be charging basically the same as BMW-M3 coupe/ MB-C-AMGs. i think they wouldve had many more sales if they had made it slightly more expensive then a loaded WRX or VOLVO S60R. me for one!
Generally people see an AUDI, and say "its just an AUDI" people cant tell the difference betwen an A4/S4 or C230/C55. but the difference being that an A4 is an AUDI and thats still a MERCEDES-BENZ either way!
MB World Stories
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren
Verdad Gallardo
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine
Verdad Gallardo
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction
Verdad Gallardo
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping
Verdad Gallardo
10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used
Verdad Gallardo
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,193
Likes: 0
From: Bay Area SF
Silver 2002 C32, Silver 2006 CLK 350
Rs4 Vs M3
the RS4 is a nice car but I think BMW & Merc Will build a better car in 2 year.
here is a good video enjoy
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/122116/2007_audi_rs4
here is a good video enjoy
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/122116/2007_audi_rs4
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,513
Likes: 0
C32 AMG
Originally Posted by Trekman
the RS4 is a nice car but I think BMW & Merc Will build a better car in 2 year.
here is a good video enjoy
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/122116/2007_audi_rs4
here is a good video enjoy
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/122116/2007_audi_rs4
Member
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
From: Chicago
02C32AMG
Audi throttle delay
I owned an Audi allroad with the 2.7t engine and the throttle delay would drive me mad! This was a well documented shortcoming of the 2.7t engine. Driving in traffic was also a bit hairy at times as you never knew when the torque would kick in. You could almost count to 2 before the car would take off from a standing start.
FWIW, I don't experience any lag with the engine in my C32AMG.
FWIW, I don't experience any lag with the engine in my C32AMG.
Originally Posted by m444
Unfortunately, the Audi tends to have some odd, programmed throttle delay
of the electronic throttle, which the C32, does not suffer from. The throttle
response of the C32 is much better than the older S4.
of the electronic throttle, which the C32, does not suffer from. The throttle
response of the C32 is much better than the older S4.
Senior Member
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 466
Likes: 32
I like the RS4 and I think that Audi has a real winner on their hands. It is a great compromise for those who want performance, have a family, need 4 doors, and have to drive in the snow. If I could only afford one car and needed it as an all season/family/sports car-this would be it.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,513
Likes: 0
C32 AMG
Originally Posted by Vader13
Its very simple..
Audi does not build a RWD car..
So..
F&%K them..
Audi does not build a RWD car..
So..
F&%K them..
I don't have an issue with the AWD. The problem is the weight distribution on the Audis - very much like a FWD car.
Newbie
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
From: Sydney, Australia
Alfa 147 GTA #100/100
@ FifthRing
FYI - the video was broken down into 3 tests
1. straight line acceleration. The RS4 beat the M3 my upto 10 car lengths all 7 times
2. drifting. The M3 won of course - RWD v AWD
3. a race around the course. The RS4 won buy a clear margin
FYI - the video was broken down into 3 tests
1. straight line acceleration. The RS4 beat the M3 my upto 10 car lengths all 7 times
2. drifting. The M3 won of course - RWD v AWD
3. a race around the course. The RS4 won buy a clear margin
Super Member
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 603
Likes: 0
From: Irvine, California
C32 AMG
Originally Posted by Fifth Ring
But they do build the RS4 with a manual transmission. So fork AMG. Seriously, if AWD is so bad, why have all the best car makers copied them?
I don't have an issue with the AWD. The problem is the weight distribution on the Audis - very much like a FWD car.
I don't have an issue with the AWD. The problem is the weight distribution on the Audis - very much like a FWD car.
is there something audi/vw knows that they dont? or are audi and vw just dumber than the rest? i think its the later
lambo also uses awd, but lambo also doesnt really race either except for alms and i do believe they are doing poorly
MBworld Guru
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 22,058
Likes: 18
From: Diamond Bar, CA
W206 PHEV AMG
for Audi, why mess with something that they are not familiar with. i.e. RWD. What they do best is AWD or FWD.
Same thing as why hasn't MB and BMW try to make their AMG and M Gmbh cars with AWD. Although MB and BMW does make 4-matic or Xi models, the AWD system in these are still far behind what Audi has accomplished with theirs.
great example would be the last S8's demo video where their test driver hands off the steering wheel while doing 360 and kept going straight. It showed how well their Quattro worked with their ESP etcs. I doubt that a W220 S-class 4-matic can do the same thing.
Same thing as why hasn't MB and BMW try to make their AMG and M Gmbh cars with AWD. Although MB and BMW does make 4-matic or Xi models, the AWD system in these are still far behind what Audi has accomplished with theirs.
great example would be the last S8's demo video where their test driver hands off the steering wheel while doing 360 and kept going straight. It showed how well their Quattro worked with their ESP etcs. I doubt that a W220 S-class 4-matic can do the same thing.
Last edited by FrankW; Jun 10, 2006 at 12:58 AM.
Almost a Member!
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
From: L.A.
02 c32
Originally Posted by IdriveFast
mclaren f1, zonda, ford gt, CLK-dtm CLK-gtr, m3/m5, all amg's, ferrari's top of the line porsche's are all RWD
Anyways, why so much hate for the RS4? It's a much better car than the c55 at the moment in terms of speed and handling, and AWD for the winters to boot. More expensive yes, so don't buy it if you can't afford it. We're all car enthusiasts here - we should appreciate the RS4 for what it is, AWESOME.
I'm sure MB will trump the RS4 next time around.
_Toms
Super Member
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 603
Likes: 0
From: Irvine, California
C32 AMG
Originally Posted by trips
Ummm, actually the porsche turbo is AWD.
Anyways, why so much hate for the RS4? It's a much better car than the c55 at the moment in terms of speed and handling, and AWD for the winters to boot. More expensive yes, so don't buy it if you can't afford it. We're all car enthusiasts here - we should appreciate the RS4 for what it is, AWESOME.
I'm sure MB will trump the RS4 next time around.
_Toms
Anyways, why so much hate for the RS4? It's a much better car than the c55 at the moment in terms of speed and handling, and AWD for the winters to boot. More expensive yes, so don't buy it if you can't afford it. We're all car enthusiasts here - we should appreciate the RS4 for what it is, AWESOME.
I'm sure MB will trump the RS4 next time around.
_Toms
and then the GT2 and carrera GT above the turbo are rwd
gt3 is also rwd
so 3 out of the top 4 porsches are still rwd with the only awd car at number 3
1. carrera gt
2. gt2
3. turbo
4. gt3
Almost a Member!
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
From: L.A.
02 c32
Originally Posted by IdriveFast
and then the GT2 and carrera GT above the turbo are rwd
gt3 is also rwd
so 3 out of the top 4 porsches are still rwd with the only awd car at number 3
1. carrera gt
2. gt2
3. turbo
4. gt3
gt3 is also rwd
so 3 out of the top 4 porsches are still rwd with the only awd car at number 3
1. carrera gt
2. gt2
3. turbo
4. gt3
Right on.
I just don't get your previous point, Audi is dumb because they make a sports car that is AWD? Is this what you meant?
I was just pointing out that one of porsche's top of the line cars is AWD (actually their best selling car of the ones you listed).
Again appreciate the RS4 for what it is. If I had a car as fast as any of the ones we have or have talked about here, and drive in any inclement weather whatsoever, I sure as hell want AWD. Save the RWD for my garage queen.
_Toms
Super Member
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 603
Likes: 0
From: Irvine, California
C32 AMG
Originally Posted by trips
Right on.
I just don't get your previous point, Audi is dumb because they make a sports car that is AWD? Is this what you meant?
I was just pointing out that one of porsche's top of the line cars is AWD (actually their best selling car of the ones you listed).
Again appreciate the RS4 for what it is. If I had a car as fast as any of the ones we have or have talked about here, and drive in any inclement weather whatsoever, I sure as hell want AWD. Save the RWD for my garage queen.
_Toms
I just don't get your previous point, Audi is dumb because they make a sports car that is AWD? Is this what you meant?
I was just pointing out that one of porsche's top of the line cars is AWD (actually their best selling car of the ones you listed).
Again appreciate the RS4 for what it is. If I had a car as fast as any of the ones we have or have talked about here, and drive in any inclement weather whatsoever, I sure as hell want AWD. Save the RWD for my garage queen.
_Toms
its ridiculous how everybody goes "OMG look how fast the 420hp audi is compared to the 367hp C55 (even thoughthe RS4 costs 14k more sticker)".
of course its faster, its newer, costs way more and has more hp. is this a surprise? is it supposed to be some kind of engineering feat that audi accomplished by making their 420hp car faster than their 333hp, 349hp, and 367hp rivals? i dont think so. I hoped that non of you would either, but apparently alot of you think its very impressive.
its ridiculous and i know that audi is just completely getting off on this right now. Audi RS's inferior performance combined with their higher price (rs4 & RS6) combined with the fact that the audi brand name is not worth as much as bmw or MB really makes me dislike audi and think the the people who buy their S and RS cars really dont know any better. Even the Audi's standard S lacks that despoke feel since Audi shares the 4.2 5valve V8 with other non-S cars and it has been in their product line for years. long before the B6 S4 even existed. The S4 engine is a hand me down with different cams. THATS BASICALLY IT! Even the 2.7 V6 twin turbo was shared with other non S or RS cars. Its ridiculous. If AMG worked like that, it would be like AMG taking the 5.0 out of a S500 and putting it in a C-class and calling it a C50.
audi S and RS just are not worth their their asking price.
Last edited by IdriveFast; Jun 10, 2006 at 08:57 AM.
Almost a Member!
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
From: L.A.
02 c32
Originally Posted by IdriveFast
well i just dont like audi's S4 or RS6 or RS4. Especially the RS4. Seeing the sticker price for the RS4 makes me hope Audi goes bankrupt for asking such an outrageous price.
its ridiculous how everybody goes "OMG look how fast the 420hp audi is compared to the 367hp C55 (even thoughthe RS4 costs 14k more sticker)".
of course its faster, its newer, costs way more and has more hp. is this a surprise? is it supposed to be some kind of engineering feat that audi accomplished by making their 420hp car faster than their 333hp, 349hp, and 367hp rivals? i dont think so. I hoped that non of you would either, but apparently alot of you think its very impressive.
its ridiculous and i know that audi is just completely getting off on this right now. Audi RS's inferior performance combined with their higher price (rs4 & RS6) combined with the fact that the audi brand name is not worth as much as bmw or MB really makes me dislike audi and think the the people who buy their S and RS cars really dont know any better. Even the Audi's standard S lacks that despoke feel since Audi shares the 4.2 5valve V8 with other non-S cars and it has been in their product line for years. long before the B6 S4 even existed. The S4 engine is a hand me down with different cams. THATS BASICALLY IT! Even the 2.7 V6 twin turbo was shared with other non S or RS cars. Its ridiculous. If AMG worked like that, it would be like AMG taking the 5.0 out of a S500 and putting it in a C-class and calling it a C50.
audi S and RS just are not worth their their asking price.
its ridiculous how everybody goes "OMG look how fast the 420hp audi is compared to the 367hp C55 (even thoughthe RS4 costs 14k more sticker)".
of course its faster, its newer, costs way more and has more hp. is this a surprise? is it supposed to be some kind of engineering feat that audi accomplished by making their 420hp car faster than their 333hp, 349hp, and 367hp rivals? i dont think so. I hoped that non of you would either, but apparently alot of you think its very impressive.
its ridiculous and i know that audi is just completely getting off on this right now. Audi RS's inferior performance combined with their higher price (rs4 & RS6) combined with the fact that the audi brand name is not worth as much as bmw or MB really makes me dislike audi and think the the people who buy their S and RS cars really dont know any better. Even the Audi's standard S lacks that despoke feel since Audi shares the 4.2 5valve V8 with other non-S cars and it has been in their product line for years. long before the B6 S4 even existed. The S4 engine is a hand me down with different cams. THATS BASICALLY IT! Even the 2.7 V6 twin turbo was shared with other non S or RS cars. Its ridiculous. If AMG worked like that, it would be like AMG taking the 5.0 out of a S500 and putting it in a C-class and calling it a C50.
audi S and RS just are not worth their their asking price.
Anyways, have you ever even ridden in/driven an S4/RS4? I doubt it, because if you did you woudn't be making such ridiculous statements. The ride, fit, feel, and power are amazing. This is why I hae an S4 now.
I have no problem with either MB (c32) or BMW (e 36 m3), I've owned them all and I think that they are all amazing cars as well.
Anyways, seems like some very personal deep-seated hatred towards Audi. You're like a car "racist"! LOL. I'm not going to change your mind, nor try (anymore at least). Carry on.
_Toms
Super Member
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 603
Likes: 0
From: Irvine, California
C32 AMG
Originally Posted by trips
Weaksauce arguement bro.
Anyways, have you ever even ridden in/driven an S4/RS4? I doubt it, because if you did you woudn't be making such ridiculous statements. The ride, fit, feel, and power are amazing. This is why I hae an S4 now.
I have no problem with either MB (c32) or BMW (e 36 m3), I've owned them all and I think that they are all amazing cars as well.
Anyways, seems like some very personal deep-seated hatred towards Audi. You're like a car "racist"! LOL. I'm not going to change your mind, nor try (anymore at least). Carry on.
_Toms
Anyways, have you ever even ridden in/driven an S4/RS4? I doubt it, because if you did you woudn't be making such ridiculous statements. The ride, fit, feel, and power are amazing. This is why I hae an S4 now.
I have no problem with either MB (c32) or BMW (e 36 m3), I've owned them all and I think that they are all amazing cars as well.
Anyways, seems like some very personal deep-seated hatred towards Audi. You're like a car "racist"! LOL. I'm not going to change your mind, nor try (anymore at least). Carry on.
_Toms
read my previous posts bro. raced 2 rode in 2. all 4 were disappointing. I actually went into each encounter waiting to be impressed but it came up short each time. B6 abd B5. I cant imagine B7 being any different.
