Finally, I had a chance & can say it loud
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Re: Harris, I'm glad we're in agreement then =)
Originally posted by saksiri
I admit I was a little overzealous and serious in my response. Hope I didn't come off too much like a troll, registering just to post my comments. Perhaps I directed in a response all the replies I've had to things I've heard C32 owners say, so I apologize if it all came out at once! I understand, at least now, that this board consists of enthusiasts that respect all cars.
My point was really just that maybe the M3 driver doesn't care, and that typically M3 drivers (the board-frequenting types that I know, anyway) are not interested in straight-line acceleration alone. Which is why I felt inclined to say all the things I did. There really aren't a lot of kill stories on the roadfly forum. The dtmpower forum is a different matter, though =) And while I don't personally care about Civics, Porsches, MBs, any car passing me on the road or trying to race me, I do care if there is a different perspective I can give about that.
As others have mentioned, I would also bet that Ferrari does indeed spend way more on F1 racing than Mercedes. I think their budget is $350 million or something? F1 is definitely about expenditure and research. And it is the ultimate racing series, in terms of drivers, technology, crew, etc. Not all racing is like that though, F1 is the extreme.
But how is going to the track about money when you go to an autocross or an open track day? Or just taking your car for a spin on the Nurburgring? The track IS the place to test the performance of a car. Depending on what you are into you will go to a dragstrip or a road course or an oval course...
I admit I was a little overzealous and serious in my response. Hope I didn't come off too much like a troll, registering just to post my comments. Perhaps I directed in a response all the replies I've had to things I've heard C32 owners say, so I apologize if it all came out at once! I understand, at least now, that this board consists of enthusiasts that respect all cars.
My point was really just that maybe the M3 driver doesn't care, and that typically M3 drivers (the board-frequenting types that I know, anyway) are not interested in straight-line acceleration alone. Which is why I felt inclined to say all the things I did. There really aren't a lot of kill stories on the roadfly forum. The dtmpower forum is a different matter, though =) And while I don't personally care about Civics, Porsches, MBs, any car passing me on the road or trying to race me, I do care if there is a different perspective I can give about that.
As others have mentioned, I would also bet that Ferrari does indeed spend way more on F1 racing than Mercedes. I think their budget is $350 million or something? F1 is definitely about expenditure and research. And it is the ultimate racing series, in terms of drivers, technology, crew, etc. Not all racing is like that though, F1 is the extreme.
But how is going to the track about money when you go to an autocross or an open track day? Or just taking your car for a spin on the Nurburgring? The track IS the place to test the performance of a car. Depending on what you are into you will go to a dragstrip or a road course or an oval course...
i think Mercedes spend their money on DTM racing more than the Ferrari does. DTM touring car, truck series, etc.
i definitely agree with you because there are people on the road who drives a Civic or Accord that simply just drive dangerously fast weaving in and out of the traffic. why lower our self to their level. it's just a fact that there are crazy people on the road and there are us.
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Joined: Nov 2001
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From: Southern CA
Originally posted by AMGDood
Harris is right the H&R springs do not benefit the handling of the car. I just did them because i felt the car rode to high. I think thicker sway bars and coilover suspension would help out a lot....and im not not about to pay renntech 915 dollars for a new set of swaybars.
Harris is right the H&R springs do not benefit the handling of the car. I just did them because i felt the car rode to high. I think thicker sway bars and coilover suspension would help out a lot....and im not not about to pay renntech 915 dollars for a new set of swaybars.
Our sway bars combined with H&R springs will run less than $900.
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Hey Mach,
How do you feel about tire sizes? Vadim has increased the rear width but not the front. To maintain a more neural setup do you believe he should go with 235mm fronts? It may not make a huge difference, but you don't want to exacerbate an already prominent understeer problem.
How do you feel about tire sizes? Vadim has increased the rear width but not the front. To maintain a more neural setup do you believe he should go with 235mm fronts? It may not make a huge difference, but you don't want to exacerbate an already prominent understeer problem.
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Currently, the adjustable sway bars are on sale this month for the introductory price of $549. H&R springs are $259 for the set. Installation varies at different shops.
Tire sizes vary from car to car and wheel to wheel. With many Mercedes there is understeer as you have mentioned, however changing the tire size is not the only way to counteract it. With the power Vadim will be putting out, he can easily put more gas into a turn and steer the car in the direction he intends. Also, with adjustable sway bars, understeer/oversteer can be induced. Personally, I would put 235's in the front. In my case, I actually chose to make 245s fit in the front and 275's in the rear. Before doing this, I was peeling out through 50.
Tire sizes vary from car to car and wheel to wheel. With many Mercedes there is understeer as you have mentioned, however changing the tire size is not the only way to counteract it. With the power Vadim will be putting out, he can easily put more gas into a turn and steer the car in the direction he intends. Also, with adjustable sway bars, understeer/oversteer can be induced. Personally, I would put 235's in the front. In my case, I actually chose to make 245s fit in the front and 275's in the rear. Before doing this, I was peeling out through 50.
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Re: Harris, I'm glad we're in agreement then =)
Originally posted by saksiri
I admit I was a little overzealous and serious in my response. Hope I didn't come off too much like a troll, registering just to post my comments. Perhaps I directed in a response all the replies I've had to things I've heard C32 owners say, so I apologize if it all came out at once! I understand, at least now, that this board consists of enthusiasts that respect all cars.
My point was really just that maybe the M3 driver doesn't care, and that typically M3 drivers (the board-frequenting types that I know, anyway) are not interested in straight-line acceleration alone. Which is why I felt inclined to say all the things I did. There really aren't a lot of kill stories on the roadfly forum. The dtmpower forum is a different matter, though =) And while I don't personally care about Civics, Porsches, MBs, any car passing me on the road or trying to race me, I do care if there is a different perspective I can give about that.
As others have mentioned, I would also bet that Ferrari does indeed spend way more on F1 racing than Mercedes. I think their budget is $350 million or something? F1 is definitely about expenditure and research. And it is the ultimate racing series, in terms of drivers, technology, crew, etc. Not all racing is like that though, F1 is the extreme.
But how is going to the track about money when you go to an autocross or an open track day? Or just taking your car for a spin on the Nurburgring? The track IS the place to test the performance of a car. Depending on what you are into you will go to a dragstrip or a road course or an oval course...
I admit I was a little overzealous and serious in my response. Hope I didn't come off too much like a troll, registering just to post my comments. Perhaps I directed in a response all the replies I've had to things I've heard C32 owners say, so I apologize if it all came out at once! I understand, at least now, that this board consists of enthusiasts that respect all cars.
My point was really just that maybe the M3 driver doesn't care, and that typically M3 drivers (the board-frequenting types that I know, anyway) are not interested in straight-line acceleration alone. Which is why I felt inclined to say all the things I did. There really aren't a lot of kill stories on the roadfly forum. The dtmpower forum is a different matter, though =) And while I don't personally care about Civics, Porsches, MBs, any car passing me on the road or trying to race me, I do care if there is a different perspective I can give about that.
As others have mentioned, I would also bet that Ferrari does indeed spend way more on F1 racing than Mercedes. I think their budget is $350 million or something? F1 is definitely about expenditure and research. And it is the ultimate racing series, in terms of drivers, technology, crew, etc. Not all racing is like that though, F1 is the extreme.
But how is going to the track about money when you go to an autocross or an open track day? Or just taking your car for a spin on the Nurburgring? The track IS the place to test the performance of a car. Depending on what you are into you will go to a dragstrip or a road course or an oval course...
I had the pleasure of driving Saksiri's M3 last week, and even though I am a stalwart MB-fan (the only MB fan in our whole circle of friends, I think), I have to say that the M3 is simply an unbelievable car. I don't know how it would compare to a C32 or a C43, but what I do know is that the vehicle inspired confidence in my own driving skills, and I think that's important. I've extensively driven another friend's 911TT, and though that car was faster in a straight-line (and possibly in the twisties) it didn't inspire the confidence the M3 did. With the M3, there's simply no drama: brake hard, the car stops without squealing. Point the car into a corner, and off it goes, no squeals, no complaints, it just gets the job done. I thought the engineering was simply unbelievable, and wondered why other car manufacturers can't make the same.PS: Sorry about my poor downshifts in your car. I'm out of practice driving that slushbox on the my W210.
