335 rapes C55 oh brother
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I'm not quite sure about that. BMW has had the SMG tranny around for years! (first in the M3). In fact them and Ferrari were one of the first to have such an tranny. Mercedes never put that kind of tranny in any car, they are very loyal to their autos, they think they shift fast enough for autos and like the luxury of them. BMW has the SMG tranny in quite a few cars now. The DSG is the same system only with 2 clutches and the only advantage of that is smoother shifting. I would LOVE Mercedes to come out with either of those trannys. Preferably in the AMG cars would be awesome.
Also, if MB does make something like DSG for the AMG line, you better believe it'll be in every single regular model in two years. Mercedes just can't help but ***** everything good to every model.
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read this article in Car and Driver
http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/...10-bmw-z2.html
i hope BMW and MB puts DSG in their cars. from what i hear from AUDI owners its an awesome transmission.
http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/...10-bmw-z2.html
i hope BMW and MB puts DSG in their cars. from what i hear from AUDI owners its an awesome transmission.
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How disappointing all these MB fans. DSG and SMG aren’t s@?t!!!. DSG has two clutches so its smaller then a normal transmition. Not for smoother shifting. The Best AUTO tranny on the market right now (changes gears fastest) is the Jaguars XK 2007. MBZ is got there own thing going with the 7Speed Autos. The SLK55 is almost a second faster in 1/4 mile then SLK32 even though its 300 pounds heavier. Plus in the end it doesn’t matter how amazingly technological the transmition is its only the matter of how fast its shift and my old Chevy drag build Turbo 400 shifts faster then anything I seen on production cars. It screeches tires in every gear (all 4) and snaps your head backs o hard you get head aches. http://washingtontimes.com/autoweeke...0009-2622r.htm
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a car that can't do the throttle reset.
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all I have to say about this...
C55's trap 108+ and are low 13's
335's are mid 13's and I have not seen trap higher than 106.
Did the Beamer beat the C55... probably! Give it credit for being a quick car.
reaction times of the drivers is probably the biggest factor.... so take it for what it is.
With a chip and some exhaust work (like the Vinshu set up) the 335 will be at around 330RWHP safely.. thats 400hp+/- fly wheel..
Good for high 12's and trap of 109+ (just my guess)
I'm keeping a close eye on the 335 coupe, I may buy one next year. The only thing I'm waiting for is to see how fast the new M3 will be and how fast the 335 can be made safely without any reliability problems.
If the 335i can be made as fast as a stock M3, with more torque down low and be much comfortable to drive.. I will be sold.
C55's trap 108+ and are low 13's
335's are mid 13's and I have not seen trap higher than 106.
Did the Beamer beat the C55... probably! Give it credit for being a quick car.
reaction times of the drivers is probably the biggest factor.... so take it for what it is.
With a chip and some exhaust work (like the Vinshu set up) the 335 will be at around 330RWHP safely.. thats 400hp+/- fly wheel..
Good for high 12's and trap of 109+ (just my guess)
I'm keeping a close eye on the 335 coupe, I may buy one next year. The only thing I'm waiting for is to see how fast the new M3 will be and how fast the 335 can be made safely without any reliability problems.
If the 335i can be made as fast as a stock M3, with more torque down low and be much comfortable to drive.. I will be sold.
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How disappointing all these MB fans. DSG and SMG aren’t s@?t!!!. DSG has two clutches so its smaller then a normal transmition. Not for smoother shifting. The Best AUTO tranny on the market right now (changes gears fastest) is the Jaguars XK 2007. MBZ is got there own thing going with the 7Speed Autos. The SLK55 is almost a second faster in 1/4 mile then SLK32 even though its 300 pounds heavier. Plus in the end it doesn’t matter how amazingly technological the transmition is its only the matter of how fast its shift and my old Chevy drag build Turbo 400 shifts faster then anything I seen on production cars. It screeches tires in every gear (all 4) and snaps your head backs o hard you get head aches. http://washingtontimes.com/autoweeke...0009-2622r.htm
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Wow you are pretty damn uninformed. If SMG and DSG aren't ****, then why have the most technologically advanced automakers in the world adopted them instead of your Industrial Revolution Era Turbo 400? I suppose next your'e going to tell us that gasoline engines have jumped the shark and that we're going back to steam. The SMG in my M5 shifts in milliseconds, I highly doubt your Turbo 400 can touch that.
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A. People who love slushboxes
B. People who lack the patience to learn something new
C. People still hugging their clutch pedals
I don't miss having to depress a 30lb. clutch a million times in traffic.
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Wow you are pretty damn uninformed. If SMG and DSG aren't ****, then why have the most technologically advanced automakers in the world adopted them instead of your Industrial Revolution Era Turbo 400? I suppose next your'e going to tell us that gasoline engines have jumped the shark and that we're going back to steam. The SMG in my M5 shifts in milliseconds, I highly doubt your Turbo 400 can touch that.
P.S. whats the same between a 600HP supra and a 800HP supras-------
13second 1/4 mile time slips......
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ahaha maybe but My vette will eat your M5 alive(SMG are to frail to take 800TQ). But besides. The seam thing is kinda funny sence BMW is the first to use hydrogen in production 760s. and They also are developing hybrid drives that use seam made my exhaust to help power the cars. 07 Jag XK shifts faster then anything on the market including your M5 (im having a hard time finding the C&D link that has the info) and other transmitions like CVT are in theory are better because it gives you infinit gear ratios but are limited to lower HP lvls. Oh and how long do you need to drive your m5 for after you launch it? 6mile was it? while I can run my vette up and down all day long.
P.S. whats the same between a 600HP supra and a 800HP supras-------
13second 1/4 mile time slips......
P.S. whats the same between a 600HP supra and a 800HP supras-------
13second 1/4 mile time slips......
My Vette? Are we comparing sedans or coupes here? I hate to break it to you, but if you want to talk coupes, I have this lovely 1000hp Supra that would just love to annihilate your vette six ways from sundown. I take my Pops Lingenfelter 427 in it like it was a Yugo, scratch that, like it was in reverse.
Oh, and as for your COMPLETELY ridiculous joke about supras quarter mile times, refer to this link:
http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php...arch+DragTimes
Edit: Okay I did your legwork for you, Jag's "New" transmission is the same old ZF 6-speed they've been using forever, just recalibrated.
"As for the transmission, it's the same six-speed automatic that Jaguar's been using for some time now, but Matkin says it's been calibrated for quicker and more positive gear changes. More noticeable is the absence of Jaguar's trademark J-gate, replaced with steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters."
Nowhere does it mention the speed of the shifts, but I can tell you that in S6 the SMGIII does it in 80 milliseconds.
Edit 2: Damn you're just getting owned today, here's the link detailing how the Jag's 6-Speed shifts in 600 milliseconds, refer to the "transmission" section.
http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2007-Jaguar-XKR.htm
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a car that can't do the throttle reset.
Actually I find it smoothest when cranked all the way up. I've been driving stick for a long time, so I just simulate what I'd do with my right foot when down or upshifting and it can be verrry smooth. Its all about technique. I've driven an SMGII Euro Spec E46 in Taipei and I find the SMGIII to be much more refined. I'm in love with it, I think its detractors are:
A. People who love slushboxes
B. People who lack the patience to learn something new
C. People still hugging their clutch pedals
I don't miss having to depress a 30lb. clutch a million times in traffic.
A. People who love slushboxes
B. People who lack the patience to learn something new
C. People still hugging their clutch pedals
I don't miss having to depress a 30lb. clutch a million times in traffic.
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My my aren't we sensitive? You yourself stated that you've driven an smgII car, not an e60 m5 with an smg III, so how would it be a reference to you?
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The original thread starter was cool about it and said it was his experience alone and everyone one else just put up about 9 pages of bull**** stuff. Well at least there were tons to read as this place is lucky to have 3 pages per thread. lol
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My Vette? Are we comparing sedans or coupes here? I hate to break it to you, but if you want to talk coupes, I have this lovely 1000hp Supra that would just love to annihilate your vette six ways from sundown. I take my Pops Lingenfelter 427 in it like it was a Yugo, scratch that, like it was in reverse.
Kinda funny you listed 790RWH HP so is the 1000CrankHP or RW?
and what lingenfelter 427 ? the twin trubo 800HP one? 1.9 0-60 9 sec 1/4 mile or the NA 427? cuz im not sure who you are trying to impress?
btw nm about shift speeds i was wrong http://www.autozine.org/technical_sc...ear_manual.htm
with that said id still rather take a 7 speed benz trany or a well build chevy tranny over an SMG that i have to drive 6 mile to launch again or mess with my ECU setting and get my warranty voided inorder to mess around with the 6 mile driving period
Also why list supra 1/4 time without HP numbers and all of them running drag tires. Not a very good comparsion to street cars
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Kinda funny you listed 790RWH HP so is the 1000CrankHP or RW?
and what lingenfelter 427 ? the twin trubo 800HP one? 1.9 0-60 9 sec 1/4 mile or the NA 427? cuz im not sure who you are trying to impress?
btw nm about shift speeds i was wrong http://www.autozine.org/technical_sc...ear_manual.htm
with that said id still rather take a 7 speed benz trany or a well build chevy tranny over an SMG that i have to drive 6 mile to launch again or mess with my ECU setting and get my warranty voided inorder to mess around with the 6 mile driving period
Also why list supra 1/4 time without HP numbers and all of them running drag tires. Not a very good comparsion do daily drivers
and what lingenfelter 427 ? the twin trubo 800HP one? 1.9 0-60 9 sec 1/4 mile or the NA 427? cuz im not sure who you are trying to impress?
btw nm about shift speeds i was wrong http://www.autozine.org/technical_sc...ear_manual.htm
with that said id still rather take a 7 speed benz trany or a well build chevy tranny over an SMG that i have to drive 6 mile to launch again or mess with my ECU setting and get my warranty voided inorder to mess around with the 6 mile driving period
Also why list supra 1/4 time without HP numbers and all of them running drag tires. Not a very good comparsion do daily drivers
Oh look at him dance!!! Dance Spyder, dance!!! You'd think Joe Pesci was shooting at your feet.
The Lingenfelter is the NA 427 with 500rwhp and a 4.10 diff, I can't help but doubt your vette has much better specs. I'm sure I impressed enough people already by completely owning your a$$.
Obviously the Supra makes 1,000 at the engine, way more on C16, as the dyno numbers are on 92 octane. Funny thing was we hadn't even cranked the boost, those numbers are at 25psi. If I was suicidal I could take it all the way to 30 without breaking the car. And STOP RIGHT NOW if you're going to tell me you can't daily drive a thousand horsepower supra with no problems, before I have to waste more of my time linking a thousand threads from SupraForums.com to debunk another one of your ridiculous claims.
Dude I hate to break it to you, but the M5 isn't a drag racing car. Its a luxury sedan with a crazy drivetrain and a V10. Launch Control is an added little perk, its not a f^ckin Nova.
I didn't get the car to drag race it, I got it to drive around and have a blast, blow holes in most cars on the highway and play with an F1 style gearbox and a V10, stop hating. Besides, its RULES in NYC, the neck-snapping factor is ridiculous.
Wait what happened to your comment about the 13 second Supras?? Oh nooo, baby lost his bottle? Now the big bad drag slicks are the culprit? Or maybe by your calculations they have to be putting out 2,000hp. I'd say most of the time when you're planning on running a 9, you don't exactly bring your pirellis along. I know I wouldn't.
Come bring your fantasy Vette to Jersey and I'll show you how far the flames shoot out the back of my dawg.
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