Dealer says air pump not warranted under 8/80K emissions
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From: Bay Area CA
2002 C32
I had the same problem, the failing relay burnt out the secondary air injector/pump and MB would't cover it, they wanted $800 to replace it.
The only resolution came when I asked for "Factory Assistance" and MB paid for it.
The only resolution came when I asked for "Factory Assistance" and MB paid for it.
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Well after reading this thread, I brought my car in to the dealer, told them what was wrong, since i knew the sales director * they gave me the parts for Free, i payed the labor 450 total * they replaced my relay-fuse-Air injection pump 2 days time for this install. I told them about the 8yr-80k miles they said for the air pump only covers up to 2 yrs. They gave me the parts Quote " IN GOOD WILL ONE TIME ONLY ". But they still got it done thanks to the sales Director !!!
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C32 '02 silver 70K
Confusion: IC Pump vs. secondary air injector/pump
There seems to be some confusion here; some seem to misunderstand, that the IC Pump and the secondary air injector/pump are the same...; they are not.
- IC Pump moves coolant/fluid through the Intercooler
- secondary air injector/pump moves air
Different purpose/function
- IC Pump moves coolant/fluid through the Intercooler
- secondary air injector/pump moves air
Different purpose/function
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From: Philadelphia, PA
2005 Silver E55
DO NOT DO THE RECALL!!! Your IC Pump will FAIL!!!
Unless you want to pay for an IC PUMP. As soon as you get the Air Injector Relay Campaign recall performed your IC Pump "Will Fail". Take it for a ride, and get on it! Intermittently you will notice that all of a sudden when you mash the pedal, the car will feel like a 4-banger!!! The research I've done has led me to the conclusion that this is more related to the ECU flash they do in conjunction with the relay replacement. The recall causes a short or a voltage drop at the intercooler pump which shuts it down intermittently causing the SC to turn off. Ironically, my 02 C32 had the infamous tranny jerk prior to the recall being performed, and after, it was gone. I would trade the tranny jerk for the IC pump failure any day...
Warning: Perform Air Injection Relay recall (at your own IC Pump's risk!!!)
Warning: Perform Air Injection Relay recall (at your own IC Pump's risk!!!)
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From: Orange County, CA
GMC - Miata - Trek - P-Car
My IC pump failed long before the recall was performed.
I’d willingly trade a few DIY pump installations to rid my C32 of its dreaded torque converter lockup jerk. Few things are more awkward than driving a client around in an otherwise fine machine than having him ask, "What's wrong with your car?"
I’d willingly trade a few DIY pump installations to rid my C32 of its dreaded torque converter lockup jerk. Few things are more awkward than driving a client around in an otherwise fine machine than having him ask, "What's wrong with your car?"
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Amg C32
yep
Unless you want to pay for an IC PUMP. As soon as you get the Air Injector Relay Campaign recall performed your IC Pump "Will Fail". Take it for a ride, and get on it! Intermittently you will notice that all of a sudden when you mash the pedal, the car will feel like a 4-banger!!! The research I've done has led me to the conclusion that this is more related to the ECU flash they do in conjunction with the relay replacement. The recall causes a short or a voltage drop at the intercooler pump which shuts it down intermittently causing the SC to turn off. Ironically, my 02 C32 had the infamous tranny jerk prior to the recall being performed, and after, it was gone. I would trade the tranny jerk for the IC pump failure any day...
Warning: Perform Air Injection Relay recall (at your own IC Pump's risk!!!)
Warning: Perform Air Injection Relay recall (at your own IC Pump's risk!!!)
I second that, I just got my recall done the * SECOND FAWKING TIME BY THE SAME DEALER * GOD DAMMM IT I HATE THIS BS * I no longer have warranty and this BS AMG (*&%$#^&*(&^%$ has been driving me NUTZZZZ. With that said, my " IC PUMP JUST FAILED * i changed the IC pump 2 months back, (*&%$##@$%^&*(&^%$# after my air pump installed last weekend, my IC PUMP GAVE UP ON ME ! GODDAMMMMM ITTTTTT. Now i i have to order another IC pump & Do it myself.
GOD DAMM RETARDS AND the TECHS works at AUTOBAHN MOTORS BELMONT." I HATE THIS AMG rubbish ." incompetent mercedes techs.
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S600TT, R350
IC pump circuit has nothing to do with secondary air injection.
I just had a client whose IC pump died again after two months. Fact of the matter is that Bosch pumps have a problem. They are on the second revision and they are still failing.
I just had a client whose IC pump died again after two months. Fact of the matter is that Bosch pumps have a problem. They are on the second revision and they are still failing.
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From: SF
Amg C32
IC pump
I installed my ic pump around 6-15-07, i put no more than 1500 miles on the car that just does not make any sense to me
. Now My qs is, i notice "when i get on the gas," the SC comes on and off!!?! I assumed my IC pump has Failed again
i'm gald i have a HONDA CIVIC for daily driver.
. Now My qs is, i notice "when i get on the gas," the SC comes on and off!!?! I assumed my IC pump has Failed again i'm gald i have a HONDA CIVIC for daily driver.
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From: Seattle
C63, SLK55
Unless you want to pay for an IC PUMP. As soon as you get the Air Injector Relay Campaign recall performed your IC Pump "Will Fail". Take it for a ride, and get on it! Intermittently you will notice that all of a sudden when you mash the pedal, the car will feel like a 4-banger!!! The research I've done has led me to the conclusion that this is more related to the ECU flash they do in conjunction with the relay replacement. The recall causes a short or a voltage drop at the intercooler pump which shuts it down intermittently causing the SC to turn off. Ironically, my 02 C32 had the infamous tranny jerk prior to the recall being performed, and after, it was gone. I would trade the tranny jerk for the IC pump failure any day...
Warning: Perform Air Injection Relay recall (at your own IC Pump's risk!!!)
Warning: Perform Air Injection Relay recall (at your own IC Pump's risk!!!)
X2
I had the same exact problem. I don't think anyone is confusing the IC pump with the secondary air injection pump here. I had to drive on the highway on my way to the dealer and on my out of the dealer, so I noticed the S/C shocking immediately after the service. Definitely something they do on the recall which causes the IC pump to be toast.
Now obviously this is not affecting all the C32’s out there. It might have to be some kind of combination that’s causing the IC pump to fail when the recall service is performed. MB is not going to do much about it until they get their *** sued!!
What's weird is I received my recall letter a year and a half ago, I thought the letters were all sent at the same time... but apparently not... anyone knows if they are capable of transmitting the specific error codes from our cars then automatically sending the letter? because My letter strangely arrived 2 weeks after my check engine light came on which was due to the secondary injection pump!! Or you think they might just be sending the letters over a period of time? which would be strange considering the small amount of AMG's out there.
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From: SF
Amg C32
Ic Pump
I agree, i got lucky on my ICpump today !!! BIG THANKS TO MR *C32AMG_FL. * He is by far the most honest guy i spoke with on the phone !!! he works at FL FORD as * manager * Sold me the IC pump/pigtail plug at a Great price, there is a thread made just under 1fastc32 DIY IC PUMP replacement. Since i told him about what happen to my IC pump, i was going to offer and buy a brand new IC pump again. He suggested not to buy another one and offer to give me a new one under warranty !!!
. NOW THAT IS GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE-HONEST BUSINESS 
, I'm waiting for my new ic pump, ones i get it i'll send back the OLD pump. If it was not for C32AMG_FL i would lost some more money in addition to this AIR PUMP job Benz dealer charged me. * BIG THANKS TO C32AMG_FL 
.
. NOW THAT IS GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE-HONEST BUSINESS , I'm waiting for my new ic pump, ones i get it i'll send back the OLD pump. If it was not for C32AMG_FL i would lost some more money in addition to this AIR PUMP job Benz dealer charged me. * BIG THANKS TO C32AMG_FL .
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From: Philadelphia, PA
2005 Silver E55
Air Injection relay campaign - Tranny Jerk Fix???
My IC pump failed long before the recall was performed.
I’d willingly trade a few DIY pump installations to rid my C32 of its dreaded torque converter lockup jerk. Few things are more awkward than driving a client around in an otherwise fine machine than having him ask, "What's wrong with your car?"
I’d willingly trade a few DIY pump installations to rid my C32 of its dreaded torque converter lockup jerk. Few things are more awkward than driving a client around in an otherwise fine machine than having him ask, "What's wrong with your car?"
I know it doesn't make sense, but does anything at MB service? I have had my car back from the dealer a couple days now, and bye the way? The dealer AGREED
as did MBUSA to cover the IC PUMP failure even though I am out of warranty (65k miles). "Here is a tip... Make sure you respond negatively to your MB service survey!" I received a survey to the service I recieved, via email, and I let them have it!!! The very next day, the Vice President of the dealership called me with flowers in hand
I also called MBUSA just in case. Long story short... The dealer agreed to repair the IC PUMP failure (because of the recall related super_coincidence). After I got my car back, I noticed a marked improvement in acceleration (big plus!). But also noticed my TRANNY JERK was completely gone!!!??(WTF)??
The jury is still out, but my C32 is a daily driver, and I used to notice the tranny jerk daily. Now the car feels as strong as when I first got it with no 1500 - 2000 RPM jerking! Maybe the CPU flash they perform during the recall fixes this issue? Could it be the relay? I don't know, but if there are any C32 owners out there that still have the tranny jerk, and have not performed the latest recall, Give the recall a shot (but first, make sure the shop foreman drives your car BEFORE they perform the recall, and AFTERWARDS with you.) This will save you the headache of trying to convince them that the IC PUMP worked fine before the recall was performed, and they will most definitely cover the replacemnt IN FULL $$$$, as they should... PS - My exhaust is rumbling much more now too... Not sure what's up with that???
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a C32 AMG & S-Works Tarmac
1- Insert key and turn to 2nd position (do not start car)
2- Depress accelerator pedal to the floor for 5 seconds
3- With pedal still depressed, turn ignition off, then release pedal
4-(I have found this step is not nessesary) Wait 2 minutes before removing key
5- Go have fun!
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From: Maryville, IL
2002 Mercedes C32 AMG Green Air Filters ASP Pulley Renntech ECU NGK Iridium Plugs BHP XPS Ceramic Br
Secondary Air pump
My CEL just came on and diag. points me to this pump. Whats the part number? Seems from these posts its a DIY job.
Thanks
Thanks
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From: NY
MB C32 AMG
I am getting my relay replaced today for the secondary air pump under the service campaign 2006030011 with 96K on my '02. According to my advisor they'll replace the secondary air pump as well if they have a reason to believe that the relay caused the pump to die. I told him not to replace the pump unless they're paying for it. I can do it myself in 15 min vs them charging me a couple of hrs of labor. We'll see what happens...
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Funny you say this cause I trust the Stealership as far as I can throw them...
Here's a link that could help.
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/recall/420b07003.pdf
Quote:
An air injection pump, designed to operate during engine warm up periods, may fail to turn off at specified time. This will cause the pump to overheat and burn out. When the pump fails a MIL light will illuminate. Remedy: Mercedes and ECU-supplier have identified a software modification which will prevent random electromagnetic impulses from affecting the air injection pump. The ECU software will be updated and the pump relay replaced.
Look down the list to "Mercedes" and it's there.
I would not only show this to the dealer, but report the dealer to MBUSA. I cannot believe that they cannot find a recall. Makes you wonder how many unsuspecting consumers get robbed on things like this.
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/recall/420b07003.pdf
Quote:
An air injection pump, designed to operate during engine warm up periods, may fail to turn off at specified time. This will cause the pump to overheat and burn out. When the pump fails a MIL light will illuminate. Remedy: Mercedes and ECU-supplier have identified a software modification which will prevent random electromagnetic impulses from affecting the air injection pump. The ECU software will be updated and the pump relay replaced.
Look down the list to "Mercedes" and it's there.
I would not only show this to the dealer, but report the dealer to MBUSA. I cannot believe that they cannot find a recall. Makes you wonder how many unsuspecting consumers get robbed on things like this.
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I am getting my relay replaced today for the secondary air pump under the service campaign 2006030011 with 96K on my '02. According to my advisor they'll replace the secondary air pump as well if they have a reason to believe that the relay caused the pump to die. I told him not to replace the pump unless they're paying for it. I can do it myself in 15 min vs them charging me a couple of hrs of labor. We'll see what happens...
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From: NY
MB C32 AMG
Air pump is around $360 and you can do it yourself. I received a call from my service advisor stating that they'll need the car tomorrow as well to do more testing and he said it looks like they'll cover everything. I don't having them test it all week as long as they do the job right (for once) I'll pick up my car later on today and drop it off back in the morning so I'll get more info on what exactly is going on. Lagunatic how many miles on yours? Btw good luck on yours hope we won't experience any of the above issues mentioned after the service was performed.
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MB C32 AMG
Dealer replaced the relay but refused to replace the pump. I've replaced the pump myself (took 15 min - 20 min) and no issues. I also have not seen any issues after the ECU flash. Car seems to respond and behave fine.
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RENNtech C32 AMG
Quick question on the tranny jerk. Does it happen more at very low speeds, like from a stop or nearing a stop less than 5 MPH? I noticed a light jerky feel while just letting off the brake from stop and go traffic. The other time I noticed it was after fish tail'n it around a corner, the car violently jerked back and forth and ESP was flashing. Wheels were no longer spinning, as I was feathering the gas pedal at 4-6K RPM during the VIOLANTE JERK!
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Z06, M3, Mini Cooper S. Sold: C55
Heck my C55 set a check engine light when it was 1 day old for a bad air pump! The dealer said it needed a new one but they had to order it, so they told me to bring it back. The light went out the next day & when I brought it back in they said the pump was working again so they didn't replace it... That was problem #2 of 50 for my C55. The dealer was a bunch of lying idiots. I finally fixed all my AMG/dealer problems by getting rid of the car.
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02 C32 AMG sold!
I'm really sick and tired of resetting my CE light on a weekly
basis for this P0410 fault code. I wonder if there's a way to
get the dealer to change the pump, relay and NOT touch the
software.
basis for this P0410 fault code. I wonder if there's a way to
get the dealer to change the pump, relay and NOT touch the
software.
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warranty?
replace it yourself
http://www.autohausaz.com/search/pro...20@Smog%20Pump
ecu will re adapt.
replace it yourself
http://www.autohausaz.com/search/pro...20@Smog%20Pump
ecu will re adapt.
