New Bi-Xenon headlights
11-04-2002, 04:46 AM
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New Bi-Xenon headlights
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I need the new Bi-Xenon headlights? Some1 knows how expensive the are in the US? In germany it´s about 800 Euro per light. Too much....
I need the new Bi-Xenon headlights? Some1 knows how expensive the are in the US? In germany it´s about 800 Euro per light. Too much....
11-04-2002, 08:34 AM
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I got mine for $900 USD shipped.
He's closer to you than me - in the Netherlands....great guy
Steve MBenzNL [s_krabbenborg@hotmail.com]
he's a moderator at benzsport.com
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I got mine for $900 USD shipped.
He's closer to you than me - in the Netherlands....great guy
11-04-2002, 11:48 AM
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Bi-Xenon Question?
What type of HID bulb is used in Bi-Zenon system? D2s and D2r are used in non bi-zenon! What is used for the HID high beam? Thanks.
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11-04-2002, 07:11 PM
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Re: Bi-Xenon Question?
Originally posted by E55 KEV
What is used for the HID high beam?
What is used for the HID high beam?
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11-04-2002, 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by yukpo
D2S bulbs are used in bi-xenon as well, and they still use normal halogen bulb (h7) for high beam.
D2S bulbs are used in bi-xenon as well, and they still use normal halogen bulb (h7) for high beam.
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11-07-2002, 04:16 PM
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Re: Re: Bi-Xenon Question?
Originally posted by MBenzNL
The Bi Xenon lights have a projector lens with reflecting plate that flips over a little when high beam is activated...
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The Bi Xenon lights have a projector lens with reflecting plate that flips over a little when high beam is activated...
greetingz,
I have a CL Xenon headlamp from a wreck that I took apart just for fun it had the activated reflecting plate.
11-08-2002, 08:46 PM
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Auto Leveling
If you go from Xenons to Bi-Xenons then you have the auto-leveling modules and wiring. It is plug-n-play, (after your base-line adjustments that is).
If you don't have the auto-leveling, to start with, you have to do without, it will work fine. Auto-leveling is not worth the hassle or expense to add.
If you don't have the auto-leveling, to start with, you have to do without, it will work fine. Auto-leveling is not worth the hassle or expense to add.
11-11-2002, 05:27 PM
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Yes I have Bi-Xenons.
Auto leveling: as far as I understand it, when your start the car the car senses the angle of the sway bars and adjusts the lights accordingly to a manually preset basepoint. That is it. So if you car is over burdened with passengers, bags of cement or suitcases, it would try to dial out the weight bias (and point the lamps pointing farther down for that ride). Next time you restart it it would reset and do it agian.
So if you have a stiff suspension or don't ever use your car as a beast of burden, you will be OK. You might have to set the baseline on the low side, so that when you load her up, the lamps will still be OK.
In Germany, the laws are enforced differently than here.
Basically, if your lamps are too high here, the cops cite you.
Auto leveling: as far as I understand it, when your start the car the car senses the angle of the sway bars and adjusts the lights accordingly to a manually preset basepoint. That is it. So if you car is over burdened with passengers, bags of cement or suitcases, it would try to dial out the weight bias (and point the lamps pointing farther down for that ride). Next time you restart it it would reset and do it agian.
So if you have a stiff suspension or don't ever use your car as a beast of burden, you will be OK. You might have to set the baseline on the low side, so that when you load her up, the lamps will still be OK.
In Germany, the laws are enforced differently than here.
Basically, if your lamps are too high here, the cops cite you.
11-12-2002, 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by IanPooley
In germany auto-leveling is recommended (by law) with xenon lights. Without auto-leveling you are not allowed to use xenon
In germany auto-leveling is recommended (by law) with xenon lights. Without auto-leveling you are not allowed to use xenon
In the US it is also illegal to upgrade/convert from Halogen to Xenon. Xenon can only be factory installed. Even Dealers can not upgrade your car to Xenon. Which is kind of stupid.
Any1 know how much trouble and expense it is to add the self-leveling option to the W203?
Self-leveling is required on HID lamps but I could swear I did not have self leveling on my 98 E430 with factory Xenon. There was no mention of Self leveling in the 98 E-Class brouchure at all (which I still have) and the rear of the upgraded W210 HID housing clearly has the self leveling device.
11-12-2002, 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by E55 KEV
In Germany you must have headlamp washers on HID lamps. Am I correct?
In the US it is also illegal to upgrade/convert from Halogen to Xenon. Xenon can only be factory installed. Even Dealers can not upgrade your car to Xenon. Which is kind of stupid.
Any1 know how much trouble and expense it is to add the self-leveling option to the W203?
Self-leveling is required on HID lamps but I could swear I did not have self leveling on my 98 E430 with factory Xenon. There was no mention of Self leveling in the 98 E-Class brouchure at all (which I still have) and the rear of the upgraded W210 HID housing clearly has the self leveling device.
In Germany you must have headlamp washers on HID lamps. Am I correct?
In the US it is also illegal to upgrade/convert from Halogen to Xenon. Xenon can only be factory installed. Even Dealers can not upgrade your car to Xenon. Which is kind of stupid.
Any1 know how much trouble and expense it is to add the self-leveling option to the W203?
Self-leveling is required on HID lamps but I could swear I did not have self leveling on my 98 E430 with factory Xenon. There was no mention of Self leveling in the 98 E-Class brouchure at all (which I still have) and the rear of the upgraded W210 HID housing clearly has the self leveling device.
...or if your car came with the xenons ?
I've never been questioned, stopped or harassed with my BI-XENON.
11-12-2002, 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by bagwell
How the heck is a cop gonna know if you have self-leveling?
...or if your car came with the xenons ?
I've never been questioned, stopped or harassed with my BI-XENON.
How the heck is a cop gonna know if you have self-leveling?
...or if your car came with the xenons ?
I've never been questioned, stopped or harassed with my BI-XENON.
Getting a "fix it" ticket from a cop is a matter of luck. Some guys run illegal stuff and never get pull over and some do. Some guys get tint tickets and some don't.
I am just stating the law as I have heard. The requirements which I speak of are standards the car manufactors in Germany and the US must meet..
Again the German requirement for Xenon HID is Headlamp Washers and Self-Leveling from the factory. The US DOT requirement for Xenon HID is Self-Leveling from the factory.
Check out the required headlamps washers added to this Euro Lexus. No US Lexus GS has that standard or as an option.
Take your halogen light car to the Mercedes dealer and ask them to install Xenon headlamps. They will not do it for no amount of money.
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11-12-2002, 06:09 PM
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When someone states that retrofitting Xenon is illegal that does not mean there your local yocals are giving tickets. It is illegal as far as DOT and some state laws prohibit altering headlamps and color bulbs. The last I heard the DOT does not have enforcement officers checking headlights. It is possible to fail State Auto Inspection. My E430 factory HID was questioned last time I went to inspection.
If you keep up with the news - the DOT is being asked to outlaw even factory HID because some accidents and cases of blinding drivers have been attributed to HID. However, we enthusiasts know that the cases are probably related to guys running over-wattage and illegal fake HID bulbs.
If you keep up with the news - the DOT is being asked to outlaw even factory HID because some accidents and cases of blinding drivers have been attributed to HID. However, we enthusiasts know that the cases are probably related to guys running over-wattage and illegal fake HID bulbs.
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11-12-2002, 09:06 PM
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so if you don't have the auto-levelling feature but want to upgrade either to xenon or bi-xenon, what do you do to adjust? is it already adjusted as it is for the halogen bulb?
11-12-2002, 09:18 PM
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If your car doesnt have auto-leveling (which means doesnt have xenon), you can adjust the height manually. Ask "bagwell", he knows what to do.
By the way, antonio, were you trying to send a PM to me? Please send me an e-mail instead: harris@hartonmotorwerks.com
By the way, antonio, were you trying to send a PM to me? Please send me an e-mail instead: harris@hartonmotorwerks.com
11-12-2002, 11:16 PM
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E55 KEV is right
Don't shoot the messenger. Kev is just stating the law.
Autoleveling, in America no cop will ever know. If your car was a "ricer" then you might get "questioned" about the lamps. But a Benz? It would only be found at some other very very thorough inspection. I don't even think your Mercedes mechanic would notice autoleveling unless he was specifically looking for it. Please do have yours lamps set correctly though, it is easy and very accurate. Everyone will notice if they are too high.
As far as the headlamp washers go, that is a waste of money weight and water. I tried mine once, after fouling the whole front end, decided NEVER AGAIN would I push that button. I am glad the we don't require those here.
Autoleveling, in America no cop will ever know. If your car was a "ricer" then you might get "questioned" about the lamps. But a Benz? It would only be found at some other very very thorough inspection. I don't even think your Mercedes mechanic would notice autoleveling unless he was specifically looking for it. Please do have yours lamps set correctly though, it is easy and very accurate. Everyone will notice if they are too high.
As far as the headlamp washers go, that is a waste of money weight and water. I tried mine once, after fouling the whole front end, decided NEVER AGAIN would I push that button. I am glad the we don't require those here.
11-13-2002, 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by antonio
so if you don't have the auto-levelling feature but want to upgrade either to xenon or bi-xenon, what do you do to adjust? is it already adjusted as it is for the halogen bulb?
so if you don't have the auto-levelling feature but want to upgrade either to xenon or bi-xenon, what do you do to adjust? is it already adjusted as it is for the halogen bulb?
11-13-2002, 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by E55 KEV
I am also curious about this. If the Xenon is set up for auto-leveling (AL) and you do a retrofit and do not add the AL is there a possibility that your headlight could continue to move around, up & down because it has no AL electronic input telling it where it should be.
I am also curious about this. If the Xenon is set up for auto-leveling (AL) and you do a retrofit and do not add the AL is there a possibility that your headlight could continue to move around, up & down because it has no AL electronic input telling it where it should be.
The only time factory AL moves the aimed lightheight normally is after switching to ignition...it sets the lightheight depending on the load of the car and that is it...it isn't an active system that keeps re-aiming the lights while you drive around.
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