c32used

Interested in knowing exactly what C32s in stock and stage 1,2 and 3 are doing numbers wise in power and quarter or 0-60 times and elevation/temps. So lets post here what what you have done.

I know there is a sticky on here about track times but besides trap speeds there are alot of question based post so here please post what you have done only and not what another forum member did. PM questions to person directly please not here.

Eurocharged Rick

what are you defining as stage 3?

i am assuming stage 1 is pulley and tune...

stage 2 includes headers...

MB_Forever

Interesting.......... what is stage 3 Twin Turbo or is that Stage 4

Stage 1 = Pulley + ECU
Stage 2 = Stage 1 + Headers, SL55 Intake Splitter & Hose, Performance Spark Plugs
Stage 3 = Stage 2 + Cams, Ported Heads, more ECU
Stage 4 = Twin Turbo

I had my car at Stage 2+ (which I define as Stage 2 + Full SL55 Air Boxes and tubes + Custom ECU).

Okay, I'll start..... Here are my numbers (0-60 mph times were measured with G-Tech Pro RR):

Best 0-60 mph = 4.261 seconds
Average 0-60 mph = 4.45 seconds
Best 1/4 mile results = 12.698 @ 109.4 (DA = 2100 ft)

c32used

Guys I really don't know I might of saw it in a thread somewhere thus thought there was one ... but since there isn't lets post what we can of what we know

neihouma

I would've thought if anything like this:

Stage 1 = Pulley + ECU
Stage 1+ = SL55 Boxes/splitter + Stage 1
Stage 2 = Headers + Spark plug & Wires + Stage 1+
Stage 2 + = Custom midsection & catback + Stage 2
Stage 3 = Cams, Ported Heads + Stage 2+
Stage 4 = NOS + Stage 3
Stage 5 = Turbo conversion

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Only a few has a Stage 2 in my eyes, and Jerry is already at Stage 4.
Only Evosport has pretty much set the standards, but the enthusiasts
(such as yourselves) has created and then some.

c32used

In stage 1 plus if you only have a "Y" SL55 splitter but upgraded the plugs and wires would anyone consider me a stage 1+ then? Honestly its Kind of confusing in my perspective I thought in the following order might be better:

Stage 1 (plugs,wires,tune,pullies,filters, SL55 "Y" Splitter)
Stage 2 (add headers,full air boxes+filters for SL55 "Y" Splitter,exhaust work ie...2 cats replaced with race version and delete 2 cats and resonator)
Stage 3 (add cams, port/polish,retune)
Stage 4 (add NOS,retune)
Stage 5 (TT setup and many of above stages)

I already had a "Y" splitter and filters plus plugs and wires upgraded so would you consider that to be more then stock but less then stage 1? If yes then my times are not based on fully stock when I hit the track for quarter times in 2007.

c32used

Are these times based on your E63 or C32 when you had it? I would fair to guess it was your C32 prior and thats great times

MB_Forever

Those were my C32 times. I wish I had it longer. I only got to run it in the summer. I'm sure I would've done a little better in the winter

MB_Forever

I would leave NOS at the very end. That way, each stage would include the previous stage, then adds another setup....... the way you have it now, somebody can get stage 5 without getting stage 4, so he/she should really be at stage 4 not 5.

So doing that would result in this order:

Stage 1 (plugs, wires, tune, pullies, filters, SL55 "Y" Splitter)
Stage 2 (add headers, SL55 "Y" Splitter, exhaust)
Stage 3 (add cams, port/polish heads, retune)
Stage 4 (add Twin Turbo setup)
Stage 5 (add NOS, retune)

c32AMG-DTM

Here's just a suggestion... take it or leave it...

From what the manufacturers (i.e. Renntech, evosport, LET, etc.) use, I think your "Stages" should be kept simple, just counting the major parts (Stage III and beyond, anyone's guess, since no-one advertises it):

Stage I = ECU + pullies
Stage II = Stage I + headers
Stage III = Stage II + cams and/or porting/polishing
Stage IV = Stage III + NOS

Personally, IMHO, Erick and Jerry's TT project is beyond any "Stage" classification... it's a creative and involved project to squeeze the absolute most power possible out of the m112k engine...

I would say, count your major parts to figure out what stage you're in, and if you have other stuff (plugs, wires, SL55 splitter, boxes, etc.), add a "+" if you feel like it. Just one man's opinion...

c32used

I like the simpleness in yours... So maybe I will clasify myself as 1+

c32used

jgsx

Why is everyone including port and polish in stage 3? I thought that there was a great possibility that Jerry lost power from the mod.

dkflipse

That's what I was thinking. Either that or why is it that nobody else has done it

c32AMG-DTM

Agree w/ both of you... that's why I said "Stage III and beyond is anyone's guess" - however, one car's response to one shop's P&P job certainly isn't definitive for all C32s. I do think that Jerry's mixed results w/ this mod has very likely caused few others to pursue it (at least anyone who reads mbworld.org)

As a curiosity, has anyone used ExtrudeHone for C32's internals?

http://www.gethoned.com/

I don't know about MB's, but I recall reading about other makes having a noticeable increase in power after having their heads and/or intake and exhaust manifolds worked on by these guys...

Oh yeah, Merry Christmas all who celebrate it

c32used

Merry Christmas all...


I agree to but Jerry's results is based on only one person so I wouldn't go by that alone. Anything could have cost issues with his results.....even re-installation.....his biggest issue was A/F and maybe..maybe air found another way in helping to cause that issue.

MB_Forever

I agree. It would be hard to pin point what exactly went wrong in Jerry's situation without spending a ton more money on it. In general, however, ported and polished heads have yielded increased power in the past. The E55 guys experienced it and so did other members across different brands and models.

MB_Forever

Agreed......... but I think what this thread was trying to do is define some kind of categories (with everybody's help) for the different mods out there in order to sort/organize them neatly in a format that would (maybe) be easier to reference as more and more members mod their cars

In the end, it does not matter what stage we call our mods as long as we enjoy them

And merry christmas and happy holidays to all

c32used

Resurrected this old question but now with the more powerful LET 181 and 185mm pulleys and the C3P S/C pulley and intake coming out new for our cars...What should be the Stages now in reference to the above solely or with additional mods?

mdncn2762

I like this one. If you have pullies of any sort s/c or crank its still pullies and stage one.

c32used

I like that one best but wanted to see everyones opinion...

Chris Tahan

I have 61mm sc pulley , pump upgraded , ice tank , headers , methanol , custom air filters , deleted cats , and 2 step cold spark plugs and Custome ECU tune. I’m not happy with the numbers . 1/4 mile 13.0 sec

808C32AllMyGas

So what stage would you say I am at with the following mods: 64mm SC pulley, VRP short headers, Kincaid Killer Chiller, Need wings air intake, Eurocharged ECU Tune?
The tune only reflects the SC and intake.

Exotic-metal55

We have 64mm clutched pulleys back in stock for those looking for easy power bolt on. On sale this week. http://ultimatepd.com/2003-2006-merc...er-pulley.html