Probably have to handle shipping yourself. For items like this i buy a ship and return label from paypal and put the label for the return in the box as long as the person on the other end agrees/knows. For a diff it wouldnt be over a hundred in all for me and im in Indiana.

 

Keep us updated as I am in at this price. I will NEVER pay Quaifi $2200, and I REALLY don't care how good it is, NO POSI is worth that kind of money, period.

Anyway, let us know please

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After reading their instructions, if they are correct for our application, it should only take a couple of hours to install. Since you DO NOT need to change the ring/pinion alignment, it really is a simple DIY. IMHO. Or atleast, I have done alot worse projects.

See yeah

 

Hey OP try to see if price is even more discounted dependant on more buyers...TIA and let us know

 

Agreed, unless you are constantly tracking the car (roundy rounds, SCCA etc) or dragging it, I don't see the need to "Quaife" it.

 

I know LSD keeps both wheels spinning instead of one, okay, but what effect does it have on acceleration or performance?

yes yes I'm a nub

 

In short, our cars all have a "fake" LSD in that if one wheel starts spinning (and it will) the system clamps the brake on that wheel, which directs the power to the other wheel in an open diff. That's fine for avoiding wheelslip on slick surfaces, but it is actually sapping power. A real LSD just balances the torque between wheels to minimize slip. So you get the most out of your contact patches. It will help acceleration. The Phantom is a system that basically creates a clutch between the left and right half-shafts with a fixed level of slip. It simulates a true LSD.

My concern (based on logic not any real facts) is that the process uses friction which will increase wear and possibly contaminate the lube with metalic residue from the wear.

If I was a 1/4 mile freak, I might be tempted. But for my needs, I'll skip.

 

That cleared it up a bit thanks!

 

its not the spider gears you need to worry about anyways (regardless if they are hardened or not), it is the wear the spider gears place on the inner walls of the diff casing itself, its the casing itself that takes the brunt of the force. If you apply a high quality grease maybe that will prevent most of that from happening, in theory it shouldn't be a problem for at least 50k, above that who knows.

its essentially a poor man's LSD, it does the job, but again its not a true gear-based LSD, the fact that kleenman has the audacity to charge that much for such a cheap mod is beyond me considering Quaife is a much better design for the same money pretty much.

Either way if there is no LSD option for your car, this is a great alternative.

 

what are we looking at if we just want the "lsd" with out install? also will this even work on my clk430 2000.

 

also will it work on the 3.27:1 rear differential from the C230. as i maybe installing this shortly.

 

Here are pics from a member named "waldig" at crossfireforum.org name provided and thanks to GatorLCA

 

I dont know which diffs are compatible with what so the easiest thing to do is take the bus for a while and send the diff out to them. My e320 diff is on the way right now and i assume for every mercedes they do they will create a page for it on thier website like they have done in the past.

I know dealers have some kind of crosschecking compatability system so you might(or i might) check with them and get a print out of all the diffs mercedes makes from say 1994 to present and see which are compatable with what.

 

Yes, it should work in any MB open diff.

 

Seems like a good deal for those of use who are not hard core racers or will keep their cars past 100k miles. Get a group buy going. I'm in.

 

To create that level of friction, I also have to assume that it is generating heat when you are using it (turning). And the diff is already swimming in gear lube.

 

I just broke my diff and will be changing it this weekend. If the inside doesn't look like soup, I could send mine off for a little product development.

 

I was wondering what the symptoms are of a broken difff?

Car goes round and round in circles

 

I want to do this mod.

 

hey guys, any updates? I'm interested in this for a clk55. how many of you have purchased the new LSD option?

 

+1

 

I have a phantom grip in my '03 Sport Coupe. The factory 185mm diff was converted by them a few months ago. I have almost completely given up on installing my 210mm C32 diff w/Quaife. I had an electronic issue which prevented using the C32 diff. I still wish I had a Quaife working in my car...

I have not driven my car enough to see what kind of benefit the Phantom Grip made. The difference that I have heard between a Kleeman unit and a Phantom Grip is that the Phantom Grip retains the spider gears, whereas the Kleeman unit removes the spider gears. Without the spider gears, there is a chance that the diff will not work. Although, Kleeman may have updated their conversion process to keep the spider gears, thus avoiding the chance of diff failure.

Quaife only makes a diff for the 210mm and 215mm diffs, which most AMG vehicles already have. Having the small 185mm diff is a bummer. SLK32 and Crossfire SRT owners can relate to this.

 

Any updates on this? Seems this is a viable alternative for a lot of people, but we have yet to get any feedback from someone that's actually tried it on a C32.

 

bumpity bump bump bump...i'm in FL now and wondering how well this phantomgrip thing works

 

I looked at Kleemann's which is similar to Phantom Grip. I opted for a Quaife now that prices are down to around $1,300 for the part and $300-400 for install. Not that the alternatives are bad, I just elected to go with a Quaife. Frankly, there has been no definitive review of the Kleemann or the PG on here, so who knows how they work? There's many who now have the Quaife. FYI, here's what a Quaife for a C55 looks like (attachment).