fuwing

does anyone has this set? i received mine today and found that the kit included the F & R sway bars, 4 red bushings, and 2 tubes of lub. that;s it. does it come wth some kind of screws or washers on top?

spr

That's all that comes with it. You use factory hardware.

fuwing

ok noted. thx bro.

John R. Olson

What are the stock f & r anti-sway bar sizes (thickness) and those in the Ebach set? And, if anyone knows it, the thickness of the standard W203 C-Class V6.

John

dkflipse

https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...sway-bars.html

FrankW

STFF

spr

Take a pic of the factory mount locations compared to the bar tabs without bushing on for fun pls. I am curious how it is supposed to actually fit up since the w209 mounts are much too wide. Thanks. Sean

MRAMG1

First of all the sway bar information you wanted:

Stock: 20 mm front and 13 mm rear
C32: 22 mm front and 16 mm rear
Evosport: 24 mm front and 19 mm rear
Eibach: 24 mm front and 22 mm rear
H&R: 26 mm front and 19 mm rear

The C32 front bar is 46.4% stiffer than stock.
The C32 rear bar is 129.5% stiffer than stock.

The Eibach and Evosport front bars are 107.4% stiffer than stock.
The H&R front bar is 185.3% stiffer than stock.
The Evosport and H&R rear bars are 356.3% stiffer than stock.
The Eibach rear bar is 720.2% stiffer than stock.

The Eibach and Evosport front bars are 41.6% stiffer than C32.
The H&R front bar is 95.1 % stiffer than C32
The Evosport and H&R rear bars are 98.9% stiffer than C32.
The Eibach rear bar is 257.4% stiffer than C32.

The Eibach rear bar is 79.8% stiffer than Evosport and H&R.

The H&R front bar is 37.7% stiffer than Evosport and Eibach.

The stock front bar is 460.2% stiffer than the stock rear bar.

The C32 front bar is 257.4% stiffer than the C32 rear bar.

The Evosport front bar is 154.6% stiffer than the Evosport rear bar.

The Eibach front bar is 41.6% stiffer than the Eibach rear bar.

The H&R front bar is 250.7% stiffer than the H&R rear bar.

And now for some more info:

1. The Eibach uses the LARGEST rear bar, which means it will give you the MOST oversteer.

2. This bar will also have the tendancy to lift the inside rear wheel when corning at the extremes. A Quaifi, or Phatom grip would be HIGHLY recomended here, or the ESP is going to cut in when you corner hard, aka Road racing hard.
Note, this will propably NEVER happen to you on the street unless you really drive hard. Just wanted to for warn you my friend.

See yeah

PS: Be prepared for a whole new level of fun driving

mdncn2762

Now thats good info.....

MRAMG1

Thanks, but I can't take the credit. One of the GOOD guys here gave me it a couple of years back when I was road racing mine

Did I mention that this is a GREAT place

See yeah

GotDaBenz

C32 AMG: 22mm fr, 16mm r

stock 203: 20 fr, 13 r

Eibach: 24 fr 22(?) r.

Hope this helps.

Dom ;

GotDaBenz

Sorry, guys. I did not realize the sway bar info was already posted.

John R. Olson

Thanks everyone, that's exactly the information I was seeking. I'm surprised the stock C-Class rears (and even C32) start out so mild. The W203 must have pronounced understeer. Looks like the H & R might get closest to neutral oversteer/understeer?

Have similar stiffness (deflection rate) comparisons been done on springs: stock vs. C32 vs. H & R and/or Eibach?

At the risk of changing the subject, does any aftermarket company make a sanely priced steering wheel with some wood?

John

FrankW

don't forget Brabus has the thickest sway bars around. 27mm front and 23mm rear.

rockjock

Anyone (Frank?) know the stock C55 sway dia? I upgraded to H+R's-but am curious to see what it improved by-
good info on the C32-maybe new thread and sticky that in the newbies thread?

spr

Eibach has a 22 rear which is larger than the H&R = less understeer. I thought the Brabus bars were rebranded Eibachs with a 22 rear not 23 no?

RES

And another point if they have not changed there design? The H&R front sway bar bushings will come out of the mounts easy. I had a big problem with that. And never did get new bushings from H&R. I don't plan to purchase any H&R parts anymore.

rockjock

I got the H+R's with new bushings-loved them (had to buy the wider version of the front bracket/mount for my 06 C55)-enjoyed the set up at the track Monday-need coilovers tho-bumpsteer like a **** on the old part of the track-

spr

I don't think you know what bumpsteer is. It has nothing to do with swaybars. Bumpsteer has to do with a change in toe over a bump and has to do with the rack geometry.

rockjock

Sorry-I know it has nothing to do with sways-it was more along the lines of I took the car to the roadtrack with the new sways installed-and they worked great-but the older parts of the track ate the stock set up everywhere else-hence, I'm now looking at CO's and a rebound adj-

spr

Sure. I hear you. When you add stiffer springs it also makes the dampening work harder as it has to work against the greater torsional rigidity, making the shocks feel floaty and underdamped. I like the kw's. You'll have to report if you use something else for coilovers.

fuwing

sorry i didnt take any pic. i left my tech guy get it done. all he told me was that he got to drill bigger holes when mounting and that was it. it was raining hard yesterday so i didnt really test it out but i can feel that now it gives me a more soild handling/ feeling which is exactly what i need.

spr

Np. Did you use the one for the c32 with 10mm holes then for the front?

c32AMG-DTM

C32 has 12mm holes and hardware AFAIK. It's allegedly the "regular" w203s that have the 10mm stuff.

FrankW

eibach makes it for brabus, but to different specs.