Cadillac takes aim at C32 AMG & M3 with 400HP CTS!
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I too get tired of making excuses for Mecedes cars and hate seeing them loss in every category lately. They are marked down in just about every category you can think of now, especially quality, dependibility with questionable handling. The cars are just becoming to cheap in quality, workmanship & materials and subpar in the important performance areas for us enthusiasts. Mercedes is arrogant as always and the products are really below par.
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"cost" of the caddy has nothing to do with it. Even if it went for above $60K, it is still a "caddy" and will never be the European driving machine it so badly wants to be. No matter what the purchase price may be, it will still be considered 'cheap' in other respects. ( by comparison)
Those are the cold, hard facts. Live with it.
What have I forgotten.........Oh yeah! And, it's ugly.
Those are the cold, hard facts. Live with it.
What have I forgotten.........Oh yeah! And, it's ugly.
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Originally posted by E55 KEV
I too get tired of making excuses for Mecedes cars and hate seeing them loss in every category lately. They are marked down in just about every category you can think of now, especially quality, dependibility with questionable handling. The cars are just becoming to cheap in quality, workmanship & materials and subpar in the important performance areas for us enthusiasts. Mercedes is arrogant as always and the products are really below par.
I too get tired of making excuses for Mecedes cars and hate seeing them loss in every category lately. They are marked down in just about every category you can think of now, especially quality, dependibility with questionable handling. The cars are just becoming to cheap in quality, workmanship & materials and subpar in the important performance areas for us enthusiasts. Mercedes is arrogant as always and the products are really below par.
BMW service: In a word-pitiful. There is no room for debate here. For a manufacturer that allegedly produces the "ulitimate driving machine", it is abominable that their service is not on par with their product. I've witnessed this first hand, and have had several second hand stories from BMW owners relay this to me personally.
BMW blown engine syndrome: Need I say more?
BMW resale value: What's that?
M3 Drivers. Unlike a porcupine, the *****s are on the inside. This is an old joke that happens to ring true. I'm not the writer, only the messenger.
Sorry for singling out Beemer here, but my point is to show you things aren't nearly that bad with M-B. Not perfect, but then again, what manufacturer is? I've had great experiences all the way around with my car and my service.
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the S54 blown engine has already been fixed, so give it a rest will you. That's about the only case BMW has problem with their engines, well that and the mysterious X5 4.4 caught on fire.
the current M3's resale value it's probably better than the C32 right now because you don't see much used M3 around for the taking.
service wise, all the brands are the same. When dealership or service consultant don't give a s h i t, you are bound to get bad service.
that was the saying about BMW drivers, not M3 drivers. Get it right if you want to pick on them. 5-6 of my friends has E36 or E46 M3. Are they *****s? NO. By saying that kind of stuff, guess what that makes you??
In general, BMW's quality and dependability has gone up while MB is coming down. But they are now pretty much on the same level. Audi has much better qualiy now, but still not very dependable.
the current M3's resale value it's probably better than the C32 right now because you don't see much used M3 around for the taking.
service wise, all the brands are the same. When dealership or service consultant don't give a s h i t, you are bound to get bad service.
that was the saying about BMW drivers, not M3 drivers. Get it right if you want to pick on them. 5-6 of my friends has E36 or E46 M3. Are they *****s? NO. By saying that kind of stuff, guess what that makes you??
In general, BMW's quality and dependability has gone up while MB is coming down. But they are now pretty much on the same level. Audi has much better qualiy now, but still not very dependable.
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CTS is a very big threat to German car makers...
Dont be fooled into thinking that MB and BMW are not watching this car very carefully. This is the beginning of what could be a serious American threat to Euro car market. With 400hp, this is gonna be a screamer. And for 50k! Sounds and looks good to me. The next generation STS is going straight after the E class and will definately take a few buyers.
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Originally posted by FrankW
the S54 blown engine has already been fixed, so give it a rest will you. That's about the only case BMW has problem with their engines, well that and the mysterious X5 4.4 caught on fire.
the current M3's resale value it's probably better than the C32 right now because you don't see much used M3 around for the taking.
service wise, all the brands are the same. When dealership or service consultant don't give a s h i t, you are bound to get bad service.
that was the saying about BMW drivers, not M3 drivers. Get it right if you want to pick on them. 5-6 of my friends has E36 or E46 M3. Are they *****s? NO. By saying that kind of stuff, guess what that makes you??
In general, BMW's quality and dependability has gone up while MB is coming down. But they are now pretty much on the same level. Audi has much better qualiy now, but still not very dependable.
the S54 blown engine has already been fixed, so give it a rest will you. That's about the only case BMW has problem with their engines, well that and the mysterious X5 4.4 caught on fire.
the current M3's resale value it's probably better than the C32 right now because you don't see much used M3 around for the taking.
service wise, all the brands are the same. When dealership or service consultant don't give a s h i t, you are bound to get bad service.
that was the saying about BMW drivers, not M3 drivers. Get it right if you want to pick on them. 5-6 of my friends has E36 or E46 M3. Are they *****s? NO. By saying that kind of stuff, guess what that makes you??
In general, BMW's quality and dependability has gone up while MB is coming down. But they are now pretty much on the same level. Audi has much better qualiy now, but still not very dependable.
So sorry to hear that 5-6 of your friends drive BMW's. You have my condolences, as do they. Where do I begin with your asinine comments?
Let's start with the blown engine issue that you so conveniently tried to sweep under the rug. The fact that it has happened repeatedly, warrants some criticism, wouldn't you say?
Regarding the resale value, you are COMPLETELY mistaken. The M3's resale value blows, and most everyone knows it. Look in your local classifieds! Now, debate THAT. I'm not making this stuff up, Frank.
Guess what your comment "service wise, they're all the same" makes you? If you guessed "delusional", you're correct! Have you ever BEEN to a BMW service dept.? I have, and they are horrible. KIA has a better service department. Don't even get me started on the inherent electrical problems with most Beemers-Sheeeesh! Most of the people that I know that drive BMW's know their service advisors faaarrrr too well, if you know what I mean.
Hope this helps. An educated auto enthusiast is a good thing.
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Re: CTS is a very big threat to German car makers...
Originally posted by vinmanc32
Dont be fooled into thinking that MB and BMW are not watching this car very carefully. This is the beginning of what could be a serious American threat to Euro car market. With 400hp, this is gonna be a screamer. And for 50k! Sounds and looks good to me. The next generation STS is going straight after the E class and will definately take a few buyers.
Dont be fooled into thinking that MB and BMW are not watching this car very carefully. This is the beginning of what could be a serious American threat to Euro car market. With 400hp, this is gonna be a screamer. And for 50k! Sounds and looks good to me. The next generation STS is going straight after the E class and will definately take a few buyers.
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Vadim said: Commendable effort. But the car looks like it was designed by a 5-year old with a machette.
lol I couldn't agree more
it could have 700 hp 800torque but it's still a cheap lookin feelin GM car without any good style
lol I couldn't agree more
it could have 700 hp 800torque but it's still a cheap lookin feelin GM car without any good style
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I still think the nay-sayers need to calm down until the car actually comes out. Speaking stricly about performance, it may surprise, just as the Z06 did.
It seems like a lot of people buy Benzes to stuff their underpants
That being said, I have one too.
It seems like a lot of people buy Benzes to stuff their underpants
That being said, I have one too.
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Originally posted by Marko
Francis,
So sorry to hear that 5-6 of your friends drive BMW's. You have my condolences, as do they. Where do I begin with your asinine comments?
Let's start with the blown engine issue that you so conveniently tried to sweep under the rug. The fact that it has happened repeatedly, warrants some criticism, wouldn't you say?
Regarding the resale value, you are COMPLETELY mistaken. The M3's resale value blows, and most everyone knows it. Look in your local classifieds! Now, debate THAT. I'm not making this stuff up, Frank.
Guess what your comment "service wise, they're all the same" makes you? If you guessed "delusional", you're correct! Have you ever BEEN to a BMW service dept.? I have, and they are horrible. KIA has a better service department. Don't even get me started on the inherent electrical problems with most Beemers-Sheeeesh! Most of the people that I know that drive BMW's know their service advisors faaarrrr too well, if you know what I mean.
Hope this helps. An educated auto enthusiast is a good thing.
Francis,
So sorry to hear that 5-6 of your friends drive BMW's. You have my condolences, as do they. Where do I begin with your asinine comments?
Let's start with the blown engine issue that you so conveniently tried to sweep under the rug. The fact that it has happened repeatedly, warrants some criticism, wouldn't you say?
Regarding the resale value, you are COMPLETELY mistaken. The M3's resale value blows, and most everyone knows it. Look in your local classifieds! Now, debate THAT. I'm not making this stuff up, Frank.
Guess what your comment "service wise, they're all the same" makes you? If you guessed "delusional", you're correct! Have you ever BEEN to a BMW service dept.? I have, and they are horrible. KIA has a better service department. Don't even get me started on the inherent electrical problems with most Beemers-Sheeeesh! Most of the people that I know that drive BMW's know their service advisors faaarrrr too well, if you know what I mean.
Hope this helps. An educated auto enthusiast is a good thing.
Did you even read what i've said. My car would sell for $42k right now, as my friend's 02 M3 SMG could sell for a little more than that. Trust me, we've asked around.
it's good that you have been to a BMW dealership for service. FYI, I had a 2000 Topaz Blue 328Ci, and my bro has a 97 528i. Oh yeah, the Ci means it's a coupe, if you don't know what that means.
Later!!
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Originally posted by FrankW
Sorry that you're part of this message board, and it's okay, you don't have to be jealous about my friends have Bimmers. I'm sure one day if you have friends, they'll have BMW too.
Did you even read what i've said. My car would sell for $42k right now, as my friend's 02 M3 SMG could sell for a little more than that. Trust me, we've asked around.
it's good that you have been to a BMW dealership for service. FYI, I had a 2000 Topaz Blue 328Ci, and my bro has a 97 528i. Oh yeah, the Ci means it's a coupe, if you don't know what that means.
Later!!
Sorry that you're part of this message board, and it's okay, you don't have to be jealous about my friends have Bimmers. I'm sure one day if you have friends, they'll have BMW too.
Did you even read what i've said. My car would sell for $42k right now, as my friend's 02 M3 SMG could sell for a little more than that. Trust me, we've asked around.
it's good that you have been to a BMW dealership for service. FYI, I had a 2000 Topaz Blue 328Ci, and my bro has a 97 528i. Oh yeah, the Ci means it's a coupe, if you don't know what that means.
Later!!
Your frustration is showing again. My friends are much more savvy than your shallow acquaintances, and therefore have made sensible purchases with resale value, dependablility, and the non-***** factor in mind.
Later, indeed!
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I've not done much homework, but the thought of buying American has seriously crossed my wallet. i.e. France, Germany, Canada and others that didn't cross the sand line.
Hey who knows, we once race during an import only meet. And a Camaro was allowed because it was built in Canada!!
Hey who knows, we once race during an import only meet. And a Camaro was allowed because it was built in Canada!!
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Originally posted by my401
I've not done much homework, but the thought of buying American has seriously crossed my wallet. i.e. France, Germany, Canada and others that didn't cross the sand line.
Hey who knows, we once race during an import only meet. And a Camaro was allowed because it was built in Canada!!
I've not done much homework, but the thought of buying American has seriously crossed my wallet. i.e. France, Germany, Canada and others that didn't cross the sand line.
Hey who knows, we once race during an import only meet. And a Camaro was allowed because it was built in Canada!!
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I know this should be in another section, but while talking about funding others. This past year I spent 4 weeks in Nova Scotia, 4weeks in Europe (Germany and France) bought 2 Mercedes and live in a French Heratige community! I feel like a Trader! This was before known issues. P.S. Have Hatachi HD TV. JUST SHOOT ME!
If autos were disposable I'd drive the CTS. By the way check comparison of size between the C coupe and CTS, very close.
If autos were disposable I'd drive the CTS. By the way check comparison of size between the C coupe and CTS, very close.
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Originally posted by Marko
Francis,
Your frustration is showing again. My friends are much more savvy than your shallow acquaintances, and therefore have made sensible purchases with resale value, dependablility, and the non-***** factor in mind.
Later, indeed!
Francis,
Your frustration is showing again. My friends are much more savvy than your shallow acquaintances, and therefore have made sensible purchases with resale value, dependablility, and the non-***** factor in mind.
Later, indeed!
Why would I be frustrated? I enjoys all sort of cars, and at the same time I criticize all sort of cars as well for their quality and material used. I'm not the one that picks on every other brand just because they are not MB. Please, give it a rest. I wonder what do you drive. Oh WOW, so all your friends drive Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans? Haha, you are a funny guy for for someone double or triple my age. When someone's a *****, a car can't change'em even when it's a Mercedes-Benz for some middle age guy from GA.
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Originally posted by FrankW
who's Francis??
Why would I be frustrated? I enjoys all sort of cars, and at the same time I criticize all sort of cars as well for their quality and material used. I'm not the one that picks on every other brand just because they are not MB. Please, give it a rest. I wonder what do you drive. Oh WOW, so all your friends drive Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans? Haha, you are a funny guy for for someone double or triple my age. When someone's a *****, a car can't change'em even when it's a Mercedes-Benz for some middle age guy from GA.
who's Francis??
Why would I be frustrated? I enjoys all sort of cars, and at the same time I criticize all sort of cars as well for their quality and material used. I'm not the one that picks on every other brand just because they are not MB. Please, give it a rest. I wonder what do you drive. Oh WOW, so all your friends drive Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans? Haha, you are a funny guy for for someone double or triple my age. When someone's a *****, a car can't change'em even when it's a Mercedes-Benz for some middle age guy from GA.
hahhaa, TELL THEM FRANK!!!
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Originally posted by Marko
Where do I begin with your asinine comments?
Let's start with the blown engine issue that you so conveniently tried to sweep under the rug. The fact that it has happened repeatedly, warrants some criticism, wouldn't you say?
Where do I begin with your asinine comments?
Let's start with the blown engine issue that you so conveniently tried to sweep under the rug. The fact that it has happened repeatedly, warrants some criticism, wouldn't you say?
You can stop with stopping your asinine comments first.
yeah, let's talk about the blown engine issue, like EVERYONE already did before your 29 posts. The M3s that had the blown engine problems was all produced within a certain period of time frame. It was already over with. I'm not trying to "sweep it under the rug" because I can see past that incident. What more can I say when you have a narrow mind set = "everything that is not a MB is bad"
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Originally posted by oggle
From my experience, BMW service cannot compare with MB service in general.
From my experience, BMW service cannot compare with MB service in general.
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Originally posted by oggle
From my experience, BMW service cannot compare with MB service in general.
From my experience, BMW service cannot compare with MB service in general.
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Originally posted by FrankW
who's Francis??
Why would I be frustrated? I enjoys all sort of cars, and at the same time I criticize all sort of cars as well for their quality and material used. I'm not the one that picks on every other brand just because they are not MB. Please, give it a rest. I wonder what do you drive. Oh WOW, so all your friends drive Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans? Haha, you are a funny guy for for someone double or triple my age. When someone's a *****, a car can't change'em even when it's a Mercedes-Benz for some middle age guy from GA.
who's Francis??
Why would I be frustrated? I enjoys all sort of cars, and at the same time I criticize all sort of cars as well for their quality and material used. I'm not the one that picks on every other brand just because they are not MB. Please, give it a rest. I wonder what do you drive. Oh WOW, so all your friends drive Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans? Haha, you are a funny guy for for someone double or triple my age. When someone's a *****, a car can't change'em even when it's a Mercedes-Benz for some middle age guy from GA.
I happen to like other cars besides MB, but the list is narrow due to common knowledge and personal experience. Hope you and the rest of the *****s had a nice weekend 'cruising' around critiquing other sub-standard cars!
You're losing here, Frankie.
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Originally posted by SiLvaC32
from my experience BMW service is MUCH better than MB!! i get BMW loaner cars. and car washes.... not at my local MB dealer though
Jerry
from my experience BMW service is MUCH better than MB!! i get BMW loaner cars. and car washes.... not at my local MB dealer though
Jerry
BMW wouldn't know 'competence' if it bit them in their collective a s ses.
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Originally posted by Marko
Who is double or triple your age, Francis? Must you continue this tirade in vain? How do YOU know what my friends drive? Are you psychic simply because your misguided friends have Beemers that are in the shop most of the time? What a j a c k a s s you are, Francis!
I happen to like other cars besides MB, but the list is narrow due to common knowledge and personal experience. Hope you and the rest of the *****s had a nice weekend 'cruising' around critiquing other sub-standard cars!
You're losing here, Frankie.
Who is double or triple your age, Francis? Must you continue this tirade in vain? How do YOU know what my friends drive? Are you psychic simply because your misguided friends have Beemers that are in the shop most of the time? What a j a c k a s s you are, Francis!
I happen to like other cars besides MB, but the list is narrow due to common knowledge and personal experience. Hope you and the rest of the *****s had a nice weekend 'cruising' around critiquing other sub-standard cars!
You're losing here, Frankie.
Yea yea, you're the man! watever, go enjoy ur little C32, if you do in fact have one.
of course we will enjoy driving around in our cars. How can we not enjoy W208 CLK55, CLK320, C320, C240, C230 kompressor sedan, C240 sport, E46 328i, E46 330Ci, E46 M3, and the C32.
seems like the only one who can't enjoy driving around is yourself. The ***** that grows in Atlanta, GA with 31 posts.
losing on what?? Who is a better *****?? I guess you are right. You won that catagory.
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Originally posted by Marko
You're obviously going to the wrong dealership then! I get Mercedes loaner cars and car washes AND competent service!
BMW wouldn't know 'competence' if it bit them in their collective a s ses.
You're obviously going to the wrong dealership then! I get Mercedes loaner cars and car washes AND competent service!
BMW wouldn't know 'competence' if it bit them in their collective a s ses.
but that is just my experience. lets just be nice guys... no more flames!
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Originally posted by SiLvaC32
from my experience BMW service is MUCH better than MB!! i get BMW loaner cars. and car washes.... not at my local MB dealer though
Jerry
from my experience BMW service is MUCH better than MB!! i get BMW loaner cars. and car washes.... not at my local MB dealer though
Jerry
