Never ending saga with world's slowest C55 AMG.
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Took the fuel pump out and it was very clean. As a matter of fact, the tank inside looked NEW all around. I put new spark plugs in a few months ago and all the wires and coils checked fine.
Eurocharged reprogrammed the ECU yesterday again with some tweaks and the car feels pretty good. It's not staining the tips so I guess it's not so lean anymore. I also ordered a brand new maf ( the previous one I put in was used ) to make sure all is good since they apparently seem to give a lot of trouble.
Stay tuned for the next dyno, hopefully I can get at least 320whp out of this dog...lol.
Eurocharged reprogrammed the ECU yesterday again with some tweaks and the car feels pretty good. It's not staining the tips so I guess it's not so lean anymore. I also ordered a brand new maf ( the previous one I put in was used ) to make sure all is good since they apparently seem to give a lot of trouble.
Stay tuned for the next dyno, hopefully I can get at least 320whp out of this dog...lol.
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The used maf ( which I thought was new ) fixed every drivability issue yet is was still lean. When I find out it was used then my brain started ticking again so I ordered a brand new one. I've talked to just about everyone and the car was scanned by various people and no one can figure out what's wrong but most have said that the mafs are really bad on these cars...so in goes a brand new one.
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After installing the new maf I'm going to re dyno it. EC said that they can tune out the running lean part and already uploaded a new file on the car so we'll see what happens.
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I put in a brand spanking new oem maf today...now the car feels SLOWER! Like, 50whp slower. It won't even budge the tires from a roll. LOL...this car is freaking crazy. I told him to leave the battery disconnected all night to see if it gets better. I disconnected the battery for about 20minutes but I don't know if that's long enough to clear the adaptation values.
I honestly doubt it's a compression problem since the has gone from being a snail to being somewhat quick ( although still underpowered ) to being a snail again...with new parts!
I hope tomorrow it'll feel better.
I honestly doubt it's a compression problem since the has gone from being a snail to being somewhat quick ( although still underpowered ) to being a snail again...with new parts!
I hope tomorrow it'll feel better.
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Well I don't know ur production date, butacording to this diagram pin 3 is ground, 4 is your 5 v reference. Also check for the 12v. Just check each pin to ground, you won't hurt anything. (with key on)
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IDK how I stumbled on this thread.
But it's crazy!
But it's crazy!
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I also did checked the CEL and it had bank 1 system too lean and bank 2 system too lean. The MAF is new and I can't find any vacuum leaks ( I even sprayed carb cleaner all over the place with no change in rpms ).
I checked the long term fuel trims and they were at +22 on both banks.
Thoughts? I have the car all day tomorrow so I can play with it.
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Bent exhaust valve comes to mind. Looks like a compression check may be in order.
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HAHA
this is so reminding me of my e55, i had weird low power issues which were related to car running lean
I did so much messing with it over the last 2 years and still am working on it, it made my head spin
changed MAF like 4 times, new plugs, wires, distributor coils, re-flashed ECU, resealed ECU (water condensation was noted after rain), ran e85 for a week to clean things out, installed IAT controller for manual temp control override, flushed Injectors, flushed fuel rail, ran car with o2s disconnected for weeks to bypass negative fuel correction, new egr , all new gaskets/seals, vacuum leak test(smoke machine)
my low power issues would be resolved by ECU reset(battery disconnect method), difference was night and day from like 6.2 0-60 back to 5 sec where it should be, but after 2-3 days power loss was again apparent and was confirmed by monitoring o2s ,lean condition again .I got so tired of disconnecting my battery all the time to temporarily fix the issue
by monitoring through obd i could see fuel was actual being pulled out when it was needed (negative corrections) up to -25% pulled at WOT in open loop
About 6 month ago issue seemed to have gotten a lot better, no more negative fuel correction, car ran fine but going lean only from 60% to 80% load after 80% would be just fine. Fix to this lean spot for now has been a reprogrammed MAF ,, (still trying to work out details, need Wide band o2 monitoring to see exactly where AF are but there is definitely no more big lean spot now and car drives great
in last 6 month i have done, reflash ECU, IAT mod, Flushed fuel rail by squeezing the nipple on the front of rail and letting gasoline pour out, ran e85,
I would suggest flushing fuel rail, easiest thing to do (it was suggested by a MErcedes tech , he said 'seen similar symptoms that were related to dirt being built up in a return-less fuel system like ours where front part of rail would get dirty and clog up ' worth a try for you and easy to do
good luck
this is so reminding me of my e55, i had weird low power issues which were related to car running lean
I did so much messing with it over the last 2 years and still am working on it, it made my head spin
changed MAF like 4 times, new plugs, wires, distributor coils, re-flashed ECU, resealed ECU (water condensation was noted after rain), ran e85 for a week to clean things out, installed IAT controller for manual temp control override, flushed Injectors, flushed fuel rail, ran car with o2s disconnected for weeks to bypass negative fuel correction, new egr , all new gaskets/seals, vacuum leak test(smoke machine)
my low power issues would be resolved by ECU reset(battery disconnect method), difference was night and day from like 6.2 0-60 back to 5 sec where it should be, but after 2-3 days power loss was again apparent and was confirmed by monitoring o2s ,lean condition again .I got so tired of disconnecting my battery all the time to temporarily fix the issue
by monitoring through obd i could see fuel was actual being pulled out when it was needed (negative corrections) up to -25% pulled at WOT in open loop
About 6 month ago issue seemed to have gotten a lot better, no more negative fuel correction, car ran fine but going lean only from 60% to 80% load after 80% would be just fine. Fix to this lean spot for now has been a reprogrammed MAF ,, (still trying to work out details, need Wide band o2 monitoring to see exactly where AF are but there is definitely no more big lean spot now and car drives great
in last 6 month i have done, reflash ECU, IAT mod, Flushed fuel rail by squeezing the nipple on the front of rail and letting gasoline pour out, ran e85,
I would suggest flushing fuel rail, easiest thing to do (it was suggested by a MErcedes tech , he said 'seen similar symptoms that were related to dirt being built up in a return-less fuel system like ours where front part of rail would get dirty and clog up ' worth a try for you and easy to do
good luck
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HAHA
this is so reminding me of my e55, i had weird low power issues which were related to car running lean
I did so much messing with it over the last 2 years and still am working on it, it made my head spin
changed MAF like 4 times, new plugs, wires, distributor coils, re-flashed ECU, resealed ECU (water condensation was noted after rain), ran e85 for a week to clean things out, installed IAT controller for manual temp control override, flushed Injectors, flushed fuel rail, ran car with o2s disconnected for weeks to bypass negative fuel correction, new egr , all new gaskets/seals, vacuum leak test(smoke machine)
my low power issues would be resolved by ECU reset(battery disconnect method), difference was night and day from like 6.2 0-60 back to 5 sec where it should be, but after 2-3 days power loss was again apparent and was confirmed by monitoring o2s ,lean condition again .I got so tired of disconnecting my battery all the time to temporarily fix the issue
by monitoring through obd i could see fuel was actual being pulled out when it was needed (negative corrections) up to -25% pulled at WOT in open loop
About 6 month ago issue seemed to have gotten a lot better, no more negative fuel correction, car ran fine but going lean only from 60% to 80% load after 80% would be just fine. Fix to this lean spot for now has been a reprogrammed MAF ,, (still trying to work out details, need Wide band o2 monitoring to see exactly where AF are but there is definitely no more big lean spot now and car drives great
in last 6 month i have done, reflash ECU, IAT mod, Flushed fuel rail by squeezing the nipple on the front of rail and letting gasoline pour out, ran e85,
I would suggest flushing fuel rail, easiest thing to do (it was suggested by a MErcedes tech , he said 'seen similar symptoms that were related to dirt being built up in a return-less fuel system like ours where front part of rail would get dirty and clog up ' worth a try for you and easy to do
good luck
this is so reminding me of my e55, i had weird low power issues which were related to car running lean
I did so much messing with it over the last 2 years and still am working on it, it made my head spin
changed MAF like 4 times, new plugs, wires, distributor coils, re-flashed ECU, resealed ECU (water condensation was noted after rain), ran e85 for a week to clean things out, installed IAT controller for manual temp control override, flushed Injectors, flushed fuel rail, ran car with o2s disconnected for weeks to bypass negative fuel correction, new egr , all new gaskets/seals, vacuum leak test(smoke machine)
my low power issues would be resolved by ECU reset(battery disconnect method), difference was night and day from like 6.2 0-60 back to 5 sec where it should be, but after 2-3 days power loss was again apparent and was confirmed by monitoring o2s ,lean condition again .I got so tired of disconnecting my battery all the time to temporarily fix the issue
by monitoring through obd i could see fuel was actual being pulled out when it was needed (negative corrections) up to -25% pulled at WOT in open loop
About 6 month ago issue seemed to have gotten a lot better, no more negative fuel correction, car ran fine but going lean only from 60% to 80% load after 80% would be just fine. Fix to this lean spot for now has been a reprogrammed MAF ,, (still trying to work out details, need Wide band o2 monitoring to see exactly where AF are but there is definitely no more big lean spot now and car drives great
in last 6 month i have done, reflash ECU, IAT mod, Flushed fuel rail by squeezing the nipple on the front of rail and letting gasoline pour out, ran e85,
I would suggest flushing fuel rail, easiest thing to do (it was suggested by a MErcedes tech , he said 'seen similar symptoms that were related to dirt being built up in a return-less fuel system like ours where front part of rail would get dirty and clog up ' worth a try for you and easy to do
good luck
Has anyone heard of a cracked intake manifold? Maybe it's taking air from below ( my carb cleaner experiment won't work if it's taking air from the valley ). Food for thought?
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I actually have brand new 02 sensors in front of me...I'm swapping them out.
I can't really see the 02 sensors being a problem because what are the odds that BOTH are bad, but maybe the maf being bad from the get go ruined the 02 sensors? Who knows, but I am actually going to install new ones anyways since the car has almost 100K on the oem sensors.
I can't really see the 02 sensors being a problem because what are the odds that BOTH are bad, but maybe the maf being bad from the get go ruined the 02 sensors? Who knows, but I am actually going to install new ones anyways since the car has almost 100K on the oem sensors.
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Today I went again with my buddies C55 to the dyno with his new mods and it's still weak as hell.
When I went last time, his car put down 289whp with 305wtrq stock with just a Renntech airbox. It felt like a dog down low though which is weird cause it put down a nice amount of torque but it would barely spin it's tires. His A/F ratio was also in the mid 14's....yikes!
I installed a new MAF and fixed a few vacuum leaks and BOOM...now the car spins it's tires with ease off the live. I installed Kleeman headers with no cats, made a true dual exhaust and Eurocharged reprogrammed his ECU.
Took the car today to the dyno and to my surprise, the first run was 289whp. WTF!!!![nix](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif)
The best run was 297whp with 299wtrq ( 8whp gain with 6wtrq loss ). A/F ratio was even LEANER this time...touching 15.0. This is crazy!
What could be wrong with this car? The only CEL codes it has are due to the primary cat deletes and that's it. The LTFT's are fine and the car drives fantastic. It's driving me crazy.![smash](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smashfreak.gif)
When I went last time, his car put down 289whp with 305wtrq stock with just a Renntech airbox. It felt like a dog down low though which is weird cause it put down a nice amount of torque but it would barely spin it's tires. His A/F ratio was also in the mid 14's....yikes!
I installed a new MAF and fixed a few vacuum leaks and BOOM...now the car spins it's tires with ease off the live. I installed Kleeman headers with no cats, made a true dual exhaust and Eurocharged reprogrammed his ECU.
Took the car today to the dyno and to my surprise, the first run was 289whp. WTF!!!
![nix](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif)
The best run was 297whp with 299wtrq ( 8whp gain with 6wtrq loss ). A/F ratio was even LEANER this time...touching 15.0. This is crazy!
What could be wrong with this car? The only CEL codes it has are due to the primary cat deletes and that's it. The LTFT's are fine and the car drives fantastic. It's driving me crazy.
![smash](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smashfreak.gif)
Interesting....it sounds as though there may still be issues prior to installing headers...OP I see your dilemma but did you dyno before and after each mod? Also was same dyno used? Maybe your mods are killing your HP/TQ? I've had a past issue where my car lost power on mid to high down the track found out it was some spark plugs not gaped correctly triggering CELs. You may need to go backwards and see if any mods have issues.
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Interesting....it sounds as though there may still be issues prior to installing headers...OP I see your dilemma but did you dyno before and after each mod? Also was same dyno used? Maybe your mods are killing your HP/TQ? I've had a past issue where my car lost power on mid to high down the track found out it was some spark plugs not gaped correctly triggering CELs. You may need to go backwards and see if any mods have issues.
+22 on both banks.
In about an hour I'll have the intake manifold off the car...I'm going to check it and all the vacuum hoses off the car. It's an easy enough task.