Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG vs. BMW M3
#27
yeah kain wut kind of car do you have right now? not what your daddy is gonna get you. what do you have now? oh and that m5 you supposedly drove...its your ads friends car so i doubt you even pushed it to te point where you'd notice any significant difference. nice try again. Almost all your posts on e46fanatics has a comparison to a mercedes in which you bash. You are known as the mercedes hater. I honestly think your dad tried to run you over when you were a little kid in his E class. That wouldn't surprise me
#29
Originally posted by Gabri343
The driver's M3: "That what what brabus told them. I race with him about a year ago, the car was not yet supercharged, It was 400HP. It that time m3 smoked it easily.
Brabus did kleeman supercharger install, both (kleeman and brabus) claimed
ther car have "over 600HP".
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=42385
The driver's M3: "That what what brabus told them. I race with him about a year ago, the car was not yet supercharged, It was 400HP. It that time m3 smoked it easily.
Brabus did kleeman supercharger install, both (kleeman and brabus) claimed
ther car have "over 600HP".
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=42385
oh yeah, and from the video that CLK looks to be a convertible. it also doesn't explain if that CLK's modded why is it so quiet?
Last edited by FrankW; 06-01-2004 at 02:38 AM.
#31
Originally posted by Gabri343
The driver's M3: "That what what brabus told them. I race with him about a year ago, the car was not yet supercharged, It was 400HP. It that time m3 smoked it easily.
Brabus did kleeman supercharger install, both (kleeman and brabus) claimed
ther car have "over 600HP".
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=42385
The driver's M3: "That what what brabus told them. I race with him about a year ago, the car was not yet supercharged, It was 400HP. It that time m3 smoked it easily.
Brabus did kleeman supercharger install, both (kleeman and brabus) claimed
ther car have "over 600HP".
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=42385
#32
Originally posted by Jon200
bollox to me
bollox to me
My sister's, dog's, secretary's counsin told me that if I were to ever graduate from high school and ever drive a car with 200hp that I could smoke an e55 because she said so.
#33
Originally posted by SJT03CLK
Dog's bollox
My sister's, dog's, secretary's counsin told me that if I were to ever graduate from high school and ever drive a car with 200hp that I could smoke an e55 because she said so.
Dog's bollox
My sister's, dog's, secretary's counsin told me that if I were to ever graduate from high school and ever drive a car with 200hp that I could smoke an e55 because she said so.
#34
listen, we work on these damn cars - both. We have seen/driven/raced both cars in stock and heavily modified form.
Net/net:
- straight line or freeway racing - C32 EVERY TIME
- road course - M3 EVERY TIME
The C32 will KILL an M3 on the street. That is just my *REAL* experience.
Thanks
Brad
Net/net:
- straight line or freeway racing - C32 EVERY TIME
- road course - M3 EVERY TIME
The C32 will KILL an M3 on the street. That is just my *REAL* experience.
Thanks
Brad
#37
Question
I currently drive a 2003 M3 Convertible, and I was looking at the new SLK55 and C55, but is it worth it for me to trade my M3 for a 55? or are they about the same on a stock level? I love the M3, but the new AMG 55 cars caught my eye.
#38
Re: Question
Originally posted by ImGettinA55
I currently drive a 2003 M3 Convertible, and I was looking at the new SLK55 and C55, but is it worth it for me to trade my M3 for a 55? or are they about the same on a stock level? I love the M3, but the new AMG 55 cars caught my eye.
I currently drive a 2003 M3 Convertible, and I was looking at the new SLK55 and C55, but is it worth it for me to trade my M3 for a 55? or are they about the same on a stock level? I love the M3, but the new AMG 55 cars caught my eye.
#39
decisions, decisions
I slept on it , and I have decided to stick with the M3, after reading lots of msgs on the forums, I would enjoy my M3 just as much as a 55, plus I got the Stock 19's on it, and the car is Ti Silver, I would miss it , If I traded it.
#40
Re: decisions, decisions
Originally posted by ImGettinA55
I slept on it , and I have decided to stick with the M3, after reading lots of msgs on the forums, I would enjoy my M3 just as much as a 55, plus I got the Stock 19's on it, and the car is Ti Silver, I would miss it , If I traded it.
I slept on it , and I have decided to stick with the M3, after reading lots of msgs on the forums, I would enjoy my M3 just as much as a 55, plus I got the Stock 19's on it, and the car is Ti Silver, I would miss it , If I traded it.
#42
The power or rationalization never ceases to amaze me....
Let's see here...assuming a curb weight with added S/C of 4,000 pounds, a CLK55 cab w/620 horsepower would have a weight/hp ratio of 4000/620 = 6.45:1 . Compare this to a stock (Euro) M3's weight/hp of 3450/342 = 10.01:1 .
This is a 35% advantage to the Benz...if it were really pushing that much power, it you would have been able to have made a sandwich and eaten it in the time lag between the Benz and the M3 going by that camera.
To put this in perspective, have a look at some other contemporary cars' weight/horsepower raitos::
Corvette Z06: ~=3200/405 = 7.9:1
Porsche Turbo: 3388/415 = 8.18:1
Viper: ~=3750/500 = 7.5:1
Ford GT: 3390/500 = 6.78:1
All of these cars run 1/4 miles in the mid-low 12's, and one, the Ford GT, was tested in the high 11's by one publication. All of them will grind an M3 to powder in a straightline race, as can be seen by comparing the test results from any magazine to have tested them. And none of them can match the horsepower/weight that this supposedly-supercharged CLK55 would have, if it was actually producing 620 horsepower.
And we're supposed to believe that one could hang that tightly with a car that has a weight/hp ratio which is better than a Ford GT?? What's wrong with this picture?
And the owner swears that he "stomped" the CLK when it had 400 hp. Minus supercharger and associated hw, that car has a stock curb weight of 3850 pounds. 3850/400 comes out to 9.625:1, which makes even that story ridiculous on its face...unless someone seriously ripped this CLK owner off and just basically took his money & stuck some valve covers on his car!
I swear, some of these M3 guys could believe with no difficulty an M3 beating an F15...pretty sad!
This is a 35% advantage to the Benz...if it were really pushing that much power, it you would have been able to have made a sandwich and eaten it in the time lag between the Benz and the M3 going by that camera.
To put this in perspective, have a look at some other contemporary cars' weight/horsepower raitos::
Corvette Z06: ~=3200/405 = 7.9:1
Porsche Turbo: 3388/415 = 8.18:1
Viper: ~=3750/500 = 7.5:1
Ford GT: 3390/500 = 6.78:1
All of these cars run 1/4 miles in the mid-low 12's, and one, the Ford GT, was tested in the high 11's by one publication. All of them will grind an M3 to powder in a straightline race, as can be seen by comparing the test results from any magazine to have tested them. And none of them can match the horsepower/weight that this supposedly-supercharged CLK55 would have, if it was actually producing 620 horsepower.
And we're supposed to believe that one could hang that tightly with a car that has a weight/hp ratio which is better than a Ford GT?? What's wrong with this picture?
And the owner swears that he "stomped" the CLK when it had 400 hp. Minus supercharger and associated hw, that car has a stock curb weight of 3850 pounds. 3850/400 comes out to 9.625:1, which makes even that story ridiculous on its face...unless someone seriously ripped this CLK owner off and just basically took his money & stuck some valve covers on his car!
I swear, some of these M3 guys could believe with no difficulty an M3 beating an F15...pretty sad!
Originally posted by FrankW
I don't what to say other than Brabus when using s/c engine, they uses AMG ones and then modify them. They don't use Kleemann superchargers.
oh yeah, and from the video that CLK looks to be a convertible. it also doesn't explain if that CLK's modded why is it so quiet?
I don't what to say other than Brabus when using s/c engine, they uses AMG ones and then modify them. They don't use Kleemann superchargers.
oh yeah, and from the video that CLK looks to be a convertible. it also doesn't explain if that CLK's modded why is it so quiet?
Last edited by Improviz; 06-04-2004 at 05:19 PM.
#43
Re: The power or rationalization never ceases to amaze me....
Originally posted by Improviz
I swear, some of these M3 guys could believe with no difficulty an M3 beating an F15...pretty sad!
I swear, some of these M3 guys could believe with no difficulty an M3 beating an F15...pretty sad!
#46
#47
#48
wow, hasn't this debate been played out many times?
In my experience the C32 is faster than the E46 M3 in a straight line. BUT, is that the whole story? Does that constitute treating Kain like the salt of the earth? Yeah so he is a troll, big deal. When you ignore trolls they go away, simple as that.
In my experience the C32 is faster than the E46 M3 in a straight line. BUT, is that the whole story? Does that constitute treating Kain like the salt of the earth? Yeah so he is a troll, big deal. When you ignore trolls they go away, simple as that.
#49
#50
just my opinion
Before I bought my M3 in March 2003, I drove the C32 3 or 4 times, and it just didnt give me the same feeling as the M3 did at the steering wheel, to me the M3 was much stiffer, and it seemed as if the C32 was holding back, compared to the M, I mean I was serious and ready to buy a C32, but I test drove one for almost an hour, and it just wasnt comparable to me.