Max HP are M113 can make?
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Max HP are M113 can make?
I was wondering if a m113k can make around 600whp reliably how far can we push are NA m113 if we boost it with a turbo or supercharger. Kleemann sells a supercharger kit that brings it to around 420whp or even more with other mods but what if we had a turbo how far could you go before it being dangers. I'm guessing main problem would be the high compression we have 10:1 or 11:1 what could we make before having problems on 93 octane and what if we installed e85. I want more power out of my c55 if I cant sell it and I have a turbo lying around so why not do a rear mounted turbo but I want to make sure I can make a good amount of power before I start.
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If you want to make power than you need to start with a M113k swap, you should be able to get an engine for cheaper than an aftermarket kit, 500rwhp can be had with headers, pulley and a tune.
Unfortunately it's cheaper to sell your C55 and buy an E55, much cheaper, much easier. If you're not happy with an extra 30-40rwhp long tube headers and tune will provide on the C55 you're better off selling it for an E55.
Unfortunately it's cheaper to sell your C55 and buy an E55, much cheaper, much easier. If you're not happy with an extra 30-40rwhp long tube headers and tune will provide on the C55 you're better off selling it for an E55.
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If you want to make power than you need to start with a M113k swap, you should be able to get an engine for cheaper than an aftermarket kit, 500rwhp can be had with headers, pulley and a tune.
Unfortunately it's cheaper to sell your C55 and buy an E55, much cheaper, much easier. If you're not happy with an extra 30-40rwhp long tube headers and tune will provide on the C55 you're better off selling it for an E55.
Unfortunately it's cheaper to sell your C55 and buy an E55, much cheaper, much easier. If you're not happy with an extra 30-40rwhp long tube headers and tune will provide on the C55 you're better off selling it for an E55.
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member here by name of swede pat has claimed his most powerful NA M113, at over 400HP from fully custom built intake and especially, porting of the heads
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Thats NA so like 420whp thats not bad but a lot of money. what do you think if money and ECU fuel not a problems just max power with a turbo with E85 and 93 before engine starts having problems I know the compression is high so what if you run e85 with boost.
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Man thats a little low but what if you had boost and E85 or 93 just max power what you think. I am thinking around 500whp with a turbo on 93 and a little more on E85 people run 600whp on m113k reliably so how high can we run are motors reliably to.
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If there are no major differences between the 113 and the 113k internally then you would be able to run similar power.
Thicker head gaskets to drop compression and a turbo or two with supporting mods could be interesting.
I think the answer to your question is: Noone really knows as people chasing power do the 113K swap first then mod from there.
Thicker head gaskets to drop compression and a turbo or two with supporting mods could be interesting.
I think the answer to your question is: Noone really knows as people chasing power do the 113K swap first then mod from there.
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If there are no major differences between the 113 and the 113k internally then you would be able to run similar power.
Thicker head gaskets to drop compression and a turbo or two with supporting mods could be interesting.
I think the answer to your question is: Noone really knows as people chasing power do the 113K swap first then mod from there.
Thicker head gaskets to drop compression and a turbo or two with supporting mods could be interesting.
I think the answer to your question is: Noone really knows as people chasing power do the 113K swap first then mod from there.
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That's a amazing build but not what im asking I would like to know what power a stock m113 NA motor with boost can take but still be reliably like a rear mount turbo.
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You can do upwards of 600 whp with e85 on the na m113. The rods are the week point but can be swapped with the m113k rods and you loose some compression in the process.
I actually am moving from the m113k platform to here.
reasons being lighter car, better gearing, higher compression means more power. These engines sell for around $1000 so who cares if it pops.
With cats deleted there is a decent amount of room on the passenger side to fit the turbo, I don’t think you would have to do rear mount. I have some stock m113k injectors that should work for your power level
This is the route I’m going
I actually am moving from the m113k platform to here.
reasons being lighter car, better gearing, higher compression means more power. These engines sell for around $1000 so who cares if it pops.
With cats deleted there is a decent amount of room on the passenger side to fit the turbo, I don’t think you would have to do rear mount. I have some stock m113k injectors that should work for your power level
This is the route I’m going
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You can do upwards of 600 whp with e85 on the na m113. The rods are the week point but can be swapped with the m113k rods and you loose some compression in the process.
I actually am moving from the m113k platform to here.
reasons being lighter car, better gearing, higher compression means more power. These engines sell for around $1000 so who cares if it pops.
With cats deleted there is a decent amount of room on the passenger side to fit the turbo, I don’t think you would have to do rear mount. I have some stock m113k injectors that should work for your power level
This is the route I’m going
I actually am moving from the m113k platform to here.
reasons being lighter car, better gearing, higher compression means more power. These engines sell for around $1000 so who cares if it pops.
With cats deleted there is a decent amount of room on the passenger side to fit the turbo, I don’t think you would have to do rear mount. I have some stock m113k injectors that should work for your power level
This is the route I’m going
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Thanks making my own path with this c55. These motors put a ls to shame, all aluminum v8 for 1000 compared to 3000
I’m going to make a bracket to connect it to some existing bolt holes on the front of the engine. The procharger is rated for 1300hp, but realistic I’d like to see 1000 whp.
Im just about finished rebuilding the car so I’m just going to enjoy it for the summer.
I’m going to make a bracket to connect it to some existing bolt holes on the front of the engine. The procharger is rated for 1300hp, but realistic I’d like to see 1000 whp.
Im just about finished rebuilding the car so I’m just going to enjoy it for the summer.
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Thanks making my own path with this c55. These motors put a ls to shame, all aluminum v8 for 1000 compared to 3000
I’m going to make a bracket to connect it to some existing bolt holes on the front of the engine. The procharger is rated for 1300hp, but realistic I’d like to see 1000 whp.
Im just about finished rebuilding the car so I’m just going to enjoy it for the summer.
I’m going to make a bracket to connect it to some existing bolt holes on the front of the engine. The procharger is rated for 1300hp, but realistic I’d like to see 1000 whp.
Im just about finished rebuilding the car so I’m just going to enjoy it for the summer.
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We have experience with both M113 and M113k. Both rods are Forged and hyperutectic pistons. The M113 rods have an oil Port in the. M113 has higher compression pistons. We have made over 600whp on M113 motor before. Didn't Dyno the built m113k setup when we finished it but trapped 146mph
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Thats not a bad plan i was so confused because people are saying 500whp would be max and that seems low and they would say ya spend 40k and make 600whp just so much hate thanks for actually writing facts and not just what you think it can do.
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We have experience with both M113 and M113k. Both rods are Forged and hyperutectic pistons. The M113 rods have an oil Port in the. M113 has higher compression pistons. We have made over 600whp on M113 motor before. Didn't Dyno the built m113k setup when we finished it but trapped 146mph
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Judging by your previous questions and posts, this will never happen anyway, so what does it matter?
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Facts: My m113 lived years at 535 fwhp and pump gas. Saw daily , ligtht track use and many trips down the strip. So I can't believe I was at the limits with only special care in using good oil.
Suggestion: I was quoted $16k for a fully built long block with sleeves and ported heads. This doesn't necessarily make hp, but it would increase displacement and eliminate rod/piston/deck issues as that was with race rods, forged pistons, and iron sleeves with head studs. I can aim anyone in that direction if they desire. I was talking to them about a max effort M113k for future project.
Suggestion: I was quoted $16k for a fully built long block with sleeves and ported heads. This doesn't necessarily make hp, but it would increase displacement and eliminate rod/piston/deck issues as that was with race rods, forged pistons, and iron sleeves with head studs. I can aim anyone in that direction if they desire. I was talking to them about a max effort M113k for future project.
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I’m interested in that upgrade
Facts: My m113 lived years at 535 fwhp and pump gas. Saw daily , ligtht track use and many trips down the strip. So I can't believe I was at the limits with only special care in using good oil.
Suggestion: I was quoted $16k for a fully built long block with sleeves and ported heads. This doesn't necessarily make hp, but it would increase displacement and eliminate rod/piston/deck issues as that was with race rods, forged pistons, and iron sleeves with head studs. I can aim anyone in that direction if they desire. I was talking to them about a max effort M113k for future project.
Suggestion: I was quoted $16k for a fully built long block with sleeves and ported heads. This doesn't necessarily make hp, but it would increase displacement and eliminate rod/piston/deck issues as that was with race rods, forged pistons, and iron sleeves with head studs. I can aim anyone in that direction if they desire. I was talking to them about a max effort M113k for future project.
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My current E55 is making 356whp and 381tq. That’s a 2002 NA
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