uh ohhh, more contraversy.. C32 Vs M3 race in Miami
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Originally Posted by Thai
Sorry, big boys are the Porsches, not you...sorry to burst your ego there. 
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Originally Posted by Thai
Oh yeah, i found this on your other post;
Stock?? Didn't you tell me that your C32 was stock??
It's interesting how much mods you have on your C32...all by searching threads started by you. Hmmm...things that make you go, "Hmmmmm."
Stock?? Didn't you tell me that your C32 was stock??
It's interesting how much mods you have on your C32...all by searching threads started by you. Hmmm...things that make you go, "Hmmmmm."
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there isnt much searching to do, obviously Thai doesnt know how to read... it says "RENNTech C32" on my siggy... duuhhhhh!!! 
newayz, thai makes it sound like i have a world of work put into my motor... "its interesting how many mods....".. if he actually read, I have a bolt-on... changed out 2 pulleys and did a little ECU work... oh i forgot my supermod, my lowering springs, uh ohhh now the world its over!!! watch out guys, i gained a massive 300hp to my front wheels with my lowering springs, thats too much for you to handle thai, the only way your gunna beat me now is with a 400hp BMW //M hood emblem!!!
newayz, thai makes it sound like i have a world of work put into my motor... "its interesting how many mods....".. if he actually read, I have a bolt-on... changed out 2 pulleys and did a little ECU work... oh i forgot my supermod, my lowering springs, uh ohhh now the world its over!!! watch out guys, i gained a massive 300hp to my front wheels with my lowering springs, thats too much for you to handle thai, the only way your gunna beat me now is with a 400hp BMW //M hood emblem!!!
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fyi: s4 guys say they can beat c32s too!!
http://www.audiworld.com/forum/s4.html
(this guy had K04s, Rs4 clutch and chip, so it is very possible)
http://www.audiworld.com/forum/s4.html
(this guy had K04s, Rs4 clutch and chip, so it is very possible)
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Originally Posted by moa4r
fyi: s4 guys say they can beat c32s too!!
http://www.audiworld.com/forum/s4.html
(this guy had K04s, Rs4 clutch and chip, so it is very possible)
http://www.audiworld.com/forum/s4.html
(this guy had K04s, Rs4 clutch and chip, so it is very possible)
)...now that car i wouldnt mind having down-time on!!! 
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The only flaw with the S4 is that they dont last nearly as long as our C32s in terms of reliability. If you dont mind the downtime and you have a little money to spend, an S4 would be a fun little project car!!! My C32 is my daily driver and show car so its gotta be reliable.
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Originally Posted by moa4r
you mean modded s4s aren't as reliable as modded c32s?? I'm not planning to mod mine for a while for that reason (+ warranty)
yes, modded S4s arent as reliable as modded C32s... S4 is a great car though!!! Im not too fond of the current V8 S4, but I love the twin turbo V6. Only thing to watch out for are burnt hoses.. we've gotten quite a few of those over where I work at with the same problem with hoses being burnt and worn out. I think as long as you do your regular maintanence, keep your modding light and simple, and keep an eye out for ANYTHING that doesnt seem right so you catch it ahead of time, then that S4 should be pretty reliable.
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yeah i agree, i like the s4's and i got my *** handed to me a couple times by a modded one and we pulled over to talk and he said he's been through hell getting the car to run right for a couple years and if he had to do it all over again he wouldn't have dropped nearly as much money. he even told me to keep my car stock and it's already fast enough 
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i don't know what you're so excited about?
racing in a straight line is damn boooooring
another thing, if that was a 6sp M3 with a good driver, even in your boring straight line racing, you'd be the one not making this whole thread
racing in a straight line is damn boooooring
another thing, if that was a 6sp M3 with a good driver, even in your boring straight line racing, you'd be the one not making this whole thread
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Originally Posted by Eurosport
i don't know what you're so excited about?
racing in a straight line is damn boooooring
another thing, if that was a 6sp M3 with a good driver, even in your boring straight line racing, you'd be the one not making this whole thread
racing in a straight line is damn boooooring
another thing, if that was a 6sp M3 with a good driver, even in your boring straight line racing, you'd be the one not making this whole thread
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RS4 conversions can put out more than that and smoke most cars on the road. It only cost around 20 grand though, here is the one down at our shop owned by my partner.
Project HMS RS4+
After having a blown turbo, we decided to build our S4 as an expression of what could be achieved with the use of properly matched parts and the right tuning. The result: Our 450HP daily driven HMS RS4+.
Project RS4+ features the following:
APR Stage 3 Kit with APR Software * HMS RS4 + Kit which includes RS4 aluminum intercoolers, magnesium intake manifold, RS4 large throttle body, RS4 aluminum Intake plumbing and other RS4 parts not offered in the APR Kit but available as an addition when doing the conversion. * HMS RS4 Cam shafts * APR Sport Exhaust * APR downpipe Kit with catalytic convertors * HMS Sport clutch kit with aluminum flywheel * Intrax Cup Kit which includes Koni Shocks and Intrax Sport Lowering Springs * Intrax Sway Bars * Brembo 14" Brake Kit, with Ferrari F50 Calipers * HMS Rear S8 Brake conversion *19x8.25" Technomagnesio SuperTouring Wheels with Pirelli tires.
If you are considering a Stage 3 conversion , Project HMS RS4+ is available for a demonstration.
Project HMS RS4+ also features real Audi Supertouring wheels( made by technomagnesio ) measuring 19x8 1/4 inches. Made of lightweight Magnesium ( weighing approx 10 lbs each ). These wheels were originally made for the Audi supertouring team in Europe and we were able to acquire a set before they were drilled for single lug ( mono lock ) . These are believed to be the only set on a street car in existence.
Project HMS RS4+
After having a blown turbo, we decided to build our S4 as an expression of what could be achieved with the use of properly matched parts and the right tuning. The result: Our 450HP daily driven HMS RS4+.
Project RS4+ features the following:
APR Stage 3 Kit with APR Software * HMS RS4 + Kit which includes RS4 aluminum intercoolers, magnesium intake manifold, RS4 large throttle body, RS4 aluminum Intake plumbing and other RS4 parts not offered in the APR Kit but available as an addition when doing the conversion. * HMS RS4 Cam shafts * APR Sport Exhaust * APR downpipe Kit with catalytic convertors * HMS Sport clutch kit with aluminum flywheel * Intrax Cup Kit which includes Koni Shocks and Intrax Sport Lowering Springs * Intrax Sway Bars * Brembo 14" Brake Kit, with Ferrari F50 Calipers * HMS Rear S8 Brake conversion *19x8.25" Technomagnesio SuperTouring Wheels with Pirelli tires.
If you are considering a Stage 3 conversion , Project HMS RS4+ is available for a demonstration.
Project HMS RS4+ also features real Audi Supertouring wheels( made by technomagnesio ) measuring 19x8 1/4 inches. Made of lightweight Magnesium ( weighing approx 10 lbs each ). These wheels were originally made for the Audi supertouring team in Europe and we were able to acquire a set before they were drilled for single lug ( mono lock ) . These are believed to be the only set on a street car in existence.
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Originally Posted by Vader13
RS4 conversions can put out more than that and smoke most cars on the road. It only cost around 20 grand though, here is the one down at our shop owned by my partner.
Project HMS RS4+
After having a blown turbo, we decided to build our S4 as an expression of what could be achieved with the use of properly matched parts and the right tuning. The result: Our 450HP daily driven HMS RS4+.
Project RS4+ features the following:
APR Stage 3 Kit with APR Software * HMS RS4 + Kit which includes RS4 aluminum intercoolers, magnesium intake manifold, RS4 large throttle body, RS4 aluminum Intake plumbing and other RS4 parts not offered in the APR Kit but available as an addition when doing the conversion. * HMS RS4 Cam shafts * APR Sport Exhaust * APR downpipe Kit with catalytic convertors * HMS Sport clutch kit with aluminum flywheel * Intrax Cup Kit which includes Koni Shocks and Intrax Sport Lowering Springs * Intrax Sway Bars * Brembo 14" Brake Kit, with Ferrari F50 Calipers * HMS Rear S8 Brake conversion *19x8.25" Technomagnesio SuperTouring Wheels with Pirelli tires.
If you are considering a Stage 3 conversion , Project HMS RS4+ is available for a demonstration.
Project HMS RS4+ also features real Audi Supertouring wheels( made by technomagnesio ) measuring 19x8 1/4 inches. Made of lightweight Magnesium ( weighing approx 10 lbs each ). These wheels were originally made for the Audi supertouring team in Europe and we were able to acquire a set before they were drilled for single lug ( mono lock ) . These are believed to be the only set on a street car in existence.
Project HMS RS4+
After having a blown turbo, we decided to build our S4 as an expression of what could be achieved with the use of properly matched parts and the right tuning. The result: Our 450HP daily driven HMS RS4+.
Project RS4+ features the following:
APR Stage 3 Kit with APR Software * HMS RS4 + Kit which includes RS4 aluminum intercoolers, magnesium intake manifold, RS4 large throttle body, RS4 aluminum Intake plumbing and other RS4 parts not offered in the APR Kit but available as an addition when doing the conversion. * HMS RS4 Cam shafts * APR Sport Exhaust * APR downpipe Kit with catalytic convertors * HMS Sport clutch kit with aluminum flywheel * Intrax Cup Kit which includes Koni Shocks and Intrax Sport Lowering Springs * Intrax Sway Bars * Brembo 14" Brake Kit, with Ferrari F50 Calipers * HMS Rear S8 Brake conversion *19x8.25" Technomagnesio SuperTouring Wheels with Pirelli tires.
If you are considering a Stage 3 conversion , Project HMS RS4+ is available for a demonstration.
Project HMS RS4+ also features real Audi Supertouring wheels( made by technomagnesio ) measuring 19x8 1/4 inches. Made of lightweight Magnesium ( weighing approx 10 lbs each ). These wheels were originally made for the Audi supertouring team in Europe and we were able to acquire a set before they were drilled for single lug ( mono lock ) . These are believed to be the only set on a street car in existence.
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Originally Posted by Vader13
RS4 conversions can put out more than that and smoke most cars on the road. It only cost around 20 grand though, here is the one down at our shop owned by my partner.
Project HMS RS4+
After having a blown turbo, we decided to build our S4 as an expression of what could be achieved with the use of properly matched parts and the right tuning. The result: Our 450HP daily driven HMS RS4+.
Project RS4+ features the following:
APR Stage 3 Kit with APR Software * HMS RS4 + Kit which includes RS4 aluminum intercoolers, magnesium intake manifold, RS4 large throttle body, RS4 aluminum Intake plumbing and other RS4 parts not offered in the APR Kit but available as an addition when doing the conversion. * HMS RS4 Cam shafts * APR Sport Exhaust * APR downpipe Kit with catalytic convertors * HMS Sport clutch kit with aluminum flywheel * Intrax Cup Kit which includes Koni Shocks and Intrax Sport Lowering Springs * Intrax Sway Bars * Brembo 14" Brake Kit, with Ferrari F50 Calipers * HMS Rear S8 Brake conversion *19x8.25" Technomagnesio SuperTouring Wheels with Pirelli tires.
If you are considering a Stage 3 conversion , Project HMS RS4+ is available for a demonstration.
Project HMS RS4+ also features real Audi Supertouring wheels( made by technomagnesio ) measuring 19x8 1/4 inches. Made of lightweight Magnesium ( weighing approx 10 lbs each ). These wheels were originally made for the Audi supertouring team in Europe and we were able to acquire a set before they were drilled for single lug ( mono lock ) . These are believed to be the only set on a street car in existence.
Project HMS RS4+
After having a blown turbo, we decided to build our S4 as an expression of what could be achieved with the use of properly matched parts and the right tuning. The result: Our 450HP daily driven HMS RS4+.
Project RS4+ features the following:
APR Stage 3 Kit with APR Software * HMS RS4 + Kit which includes RS4 aluminum intercoolers, magnesium intake manifold, RS4 large throttle body, RS4 aluminum Intake plumbing and other RS4 parts not offered in the APR Kit but available as an addition when doing the conversion. * HMS RS4 Cam shafts * APR Sport Exhaust * APR downpipe Kit with catalytic convertors * HMS Sport clutch kit with aluminum flywheel * Intrax Cup Kit which includes Koni Shocks and Intrax Sport Lowering Springs * Intrax Sway Bars * Brembo 14" Brake Kit, with Ferrari F50 Calipers * HMS Rear S8 Brake conversion *19x8.25" Technomagnesio SuperTouring Wheels with Pirelli tires.
If you are considering a Stage 3 conversion , Project HMS RS4+ is available for a demonstration.
Project HMS RS4+ also features real Audi Supertouring wheels( made by technomagnesio ) measuring 19x8 1/4 inches. Made of lightweight Magnesium ( weighing approx 10 lbs each ). These wheels were originally made for the Audi supertouring team in Europe and we were able to acquire a set before they were drilled for single lug ( mono lock ) . These are believed to be the only set on a street car in existence.
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Funny thing is I've done the same test with 2 work colleagues who have black C32's & I won 8 out of 8. That's right a 3-way race with 2 C32's & 1 M3 & the M3 won. I don't have videos but when we went to the track together I did a 13.0 @ 108 bone stock & the C32 did 13.6 @ 106 with race fuel. MY speed over the 1/2 mile was also quicker so he wasn't catching me at all.
Rolling runs are a bit closer, but a strong M3 edges away. I see 3 magazine tests on 3 different continents have the M3 quicker in the 30-70mph rolling runs though the gears. Surely the driver isn't an issue in such a test.
Check out Sport Auto's results on Track-challenge.com. They use professional drivers like Dirk Schoeyman (former Nurburgring record holder). The tested the M3 vs C32 as follows:
Acceleration M3 C32
0 - 40 Km/h 1,6 s 1,8 s
0 - 60 Km/h 2,5 s 2,7 s
0 - 80 Km/h 3,9 s 4,1 s
0 - 100 Km/h 5,2 s 5,5 s
0 - 120 Km/h 7,1 s 7,6 s
0 - 140 Km/h 9 s 9,9 s
0 - 160 Km/h 11,4 s 12,5 s
0 - 180 Km/h 14,7 s 15,6 s
0 - 200 Km/h 18,1 s 19,8 s
M3 pulls over a second from 100-200 km/h. Can't be driver at those speeds. They have pro's anyway.
But all over the world from Australia to Greece to South Africa to Germany, all mags get the M3 quicker. I don't know if its the fuel or what but in the US, C32's seem to be quicker judging by this board.
Rolling runs are a bit closer, but a strong M3 edges away. I see 3 magazine tests on 3 different continents have the M3 quicker in the 30-70mph rolling runs though the gears. Surely the driver isn't an issue in such a test.
Check out Sport Auto's results on Track-challenge.com. They use professional drivers like Dirk Schoeyman (former Nurburgring record holder). The tested the M3 vs C32 as follows:
Acceleration M3 C32
0 - 40 Km/h 1,6 s 1,8 s
0 - 60 Km/h 2,5 s 2,7 s
0 - 80 Km/h 3,9 s 4,1 s
0 - 100 Km/h 5,2 s 5,5 s
0 - 120 Km/h 7,1 s 7,6 s
0 - 140 Km/h 9 s 9,9 s
0 - 160 Km/h 11,4 s 12,5 s
0 - 180 Km/h 14,7 s 15,6 s
0 - 200 Km/h 18,1 s 19,8 s
M3 pulls over a second from 100-200 km/h. Can't be driver at those speeds. They have pro's anyway.
But all over the world from Australia to Greece to South Africa to Germany, all mags get the M3 quicker. I don't know if its the fuel or what but in the US, C32's seem to be quicker judging by this board.
Well if your going to use the Track Challenge info, please use it all. You say how much better the M3 was, but you conviniently left out the test dates, air & asphalt temperature & air pressure. Notice how the M3 was tested on December (cold weather), the C32 on September (Warm weather). The Air & Asphalt temp was 20 degree & 16 degree for the M3, & 25 degree & 30 degree for the C32. The air pressure was 976 mbar for the M3 & 1025 mbar for the C32. As you know all of these factors greatly change the outcome of the way engines operate, especially for a turbo and/or Kompressor. That's one of the reasons i traded in my C32 for a C55, the weather here in Miami was a just too hot for my car to perform at it's highest peak. I'll tell you one thing though i still never lost to an M3.
By the way a recent magazine article that was posted here has the C55 running the exact same time around Nurburgring as the M3 - 8.22 min
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Originally Posted by MiamiC55
Well if your going to use the Track Challenge info, please use it all. You say how much better the M3 was, but you conviniently left out the test dates, air & asphalt temperature & air pressure. Notice how the M3 was tested on December (cold weather), the C32 on September (Warm weather). The Air & Asphalt temp was 20 degree & 16 degree for the M3, & 25 degree & 30 degree for the C32. The air pressure was 976 mbar for the M3 & 1025 mbar for the C32. As you know all of these factors greatly change the outcome of the way engines operate, especially for a turbo and/or Kompressor. That's one of the reasons i traded in my C32 for a C55, the weather here in Miami was a just too hot for my car to perform at it's highest peak. I'll tell you one thing though i still never lost to an M3.
By the way a recent magazine article that was posted here has the C55 running the exact same time around Nurburgring as the M3 - 8.22 min
By the way a recent magazine article that was posted here has the C55 running the exact same time around Nurburgring as the M3 - 8.22 min
any slight change in weather affects the C32 greatly!!! I have seen my cousins C32 perform in the winter time here and it is a completely different car. There are warm and humid 90 degree nights here where i let my car sit for a while with the motor running and when I drive it, it will feel like a pig. That is where the C55 shines, here in Miami it is hot most of the time... the C55 isnt affected nearly as much as the C32 is with weather changes. I dont think an intercooler upgrade will help as much with such humid weather... but an intercooler conversion kit (TBA soon) will definately spice things up!! :v
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Hartmann works with Audi Sport so he got those wheels from the Europe touring program. Not street legal wheels.
The car is forale actually, we are doing the RS6 now.
The K04's are going on in a week or so, just with the new software the RS6 is pushing over 500Hp
If anyone wants to look at the RS4 let me know, The car will be sold with new BBS.
Car had 17,000 on it (I think) 00 S4 Intrax Demo Car around 50k total deal.
The car is forale actually, we are doing the RS6 now.
The K04's are going on in a week or so, just with the new software the RS6 is pushing over 500Hp
If anyone wants to look at the RS4 let me know, The car will be sold with new BBS.
Car had 17,000 on it (I think) 00 S4 Intrax Demo Car around 50k total deal.
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Miami, sorry about that. I didn't realise the ambient differences. I doubt it made much difference though. Plug it into the formulae & you see its about 2-3 hp per 10 deg celcius change in temp.
ALso, the C55 tested had ther optional Nurburgring sports supension & was ungoverned. But aside from that, it's very impressive that it matched the M3 at the Ring.
ALso, the C55 tested had ther optional Nurburgring sports supension & was ungoverned. But aside from that, it's very impressive that it matched the M3 at the Ring.
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Miami, sorry about that. I didn't realise the ambient differences. I doubt it made much difference though. Plug it into the formulae & you see its about 2-3 hp per 10 deg celcius change in temp.
ALso, the C55 tested had ther optional Nurburgring sports supension & was ungoverned. But aside from that, it's very impressive that it matched the M3 at the Ring.
ALso, the C55 tested had ther optional Nurburgring sports supension & was ungoverned. But aside from that, it's very impressive that it matched the M3 at the Ring.
