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12-23-2004, 02:19 AM
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Just because the C32 is cheaper than the mighty S55 does not mean it is slower when modified. The car has the power to weight ratio and lighter wheels. If physics is to complicated for the S55 owners we can go break out a textbook or two im sure.
Mr. Winter knows a thing or two about cars and something tells me that his story is 100% accurate. The S55 is fast but go drive a modified C32 and you will be fairly shocked.
6lb in wheel weight is huge... that could tip the scales towards the C32 even if the power to weight ratio is the same.
No S430, S500 or S55 N/A… (or any misbadged wonder for at that) would stay near Mr. Winters car. I love seeing people cry foul to a totally logical and honest post. Just because it's shocking does not make it false.
Mr. Winter knows a thing or two about cars and something tells me that his story is 100% accurate. The S55 is fast but go drive a modified C32 and you will be fairly shocked.
6lb in wheel weight is huge... that could tip the scales towards the C32 even if the power to weight ratio is the same.
No S430, S500 or S55 N/A… (or any misbadged wonder for at that) would stay near Mr. Winters car. I love seeing people cry foul to a totally logical and honest post. Just because it's shocking does not make it false.
12-23-2004, 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by cracker123
whatever, if he says he beat the S55 than good for him.
But serioulsy how did you get a chance to look at his brakes at 70mph. Did it say AMG, on them.
But serioulsy how did you get a chance to look at his brakes at 70mph. Did it say AMG, on them.
12-23-2004, 01:11 PM
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The S55 video “Going from 90 mph to hte limiter at 157mph” posted above proves to me that Jon’s run is very possible. The featured S55 ran from 95 to 145 in 13 seconds. I have data showing a C32 with just pulleys taking 13.1 seconds to cover the same speeds. With ECU, wheels and other mods, the C32 has the edge. If you doubt Jon, then take your pullied/ECUed C32 out for a high-speed run, and tell us what you get. All you need is about a mile of clear freeway and a stopwatch.
Everyone will find that pulleys make a very big difference in the higher speeds. Some info I have shows a stock C32 would take about 2-3 seconds longer for that pass. That is a huge difference.
Everyone will find that pulleys make a very big difference in the higher speeds. Some info I have shows a stock C32 would take about 2-3 seconds longer for that pass. That is a huge difference.
12-23-2004, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rrf
The S55 video “Going from 90 mph to hte limiter at 157mph” posted above proves to me that Jon’s run is very possible. The featured S55 ran from 95 to 145 in 13 seconds. I have data showing a C32 with just pulleys taking 13.1 seconds to cover the same speeds. With ECU, wheels and other mods, the C32 has the edge. If you doubt Jon, then take your pullied/ECUed C32 out for a high-speed run, and tell us what you get. All you need is about a mile of clear freeway and a stopwatch.
Everyone will find that pulleys make a very big difference in the higher speeds. Some info I have shows a stock C32 would take about 2-3 seconds longer for that pass. That is a huge difference.
Everyone will find that pulleys make a very big difference in the higher speeds. Some info I have shows a stock C32 would take about 2-3 seconds longer for that pass. That is a huge difference.
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12-23-2004, 08:29 PM
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I was driving throught Columbia,MD on RT32 this past Saturday. I was going around 65 mph in a 55 mph zone. I look back and see a black benz comming on strong. So,I made him slow to around 70mph. We booth hammered it and ran up to 140mph. At that point I had him by 100'. Traffic made me for him. It was a supercharged S55. I know that the S55 is a bit on the heavy side, but it still made me feel good. The guy had a silly look on his being beat by a baby Benz. 
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I've heard this quite a few times, Every tenth of a sec. in a race is equal to 1 car length. So your going to have us believe your little mods are going to put you .6 tenths of a sec. ahead of a S55 with Superior torque curve 516ftlbs coming on at only @2,750 rpms your C32 torque comes on @4,400rpms 03' S55 0-60 4.6 your C32 0-60 4.9 at the very best w/all your little mods you might, I say MIGHT just be able to get dead even, that's it dream on buddy....Unless you have a VIABLE DYNO CHART showing us different, Little pulley, Ecu, and lighter wheels, CAN NOT GIVE YOU .9 TENTHS OF A SEC END OF STORY..... The only way your claims could be true is if you slapped a SuperCharger on your C32.... I know you wern't racing from 0-60 w/s55, but with all the 516ftlbs of torque the S55 would walk all over you from 70-on up!
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12-23-2004, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by thericker55
If we take you at your words for how much faster you are now, than a 03' on up S55 AMG " Had him by 100' " that should put you into SL65 #'s w/out Turbo's or SuperChargers!! Get real!! All Sclass w220's are almost 17' long and if you say you beat him by 100' that would be almost exactly six car lengths!!
I've heard this quite a few times, Every tenth of a sec. in a race is equal to 1 car length. So your going to have us believe your little mods are going to put you .6 tenths of a sec. ahead of a S55 with Superior torque curve 516ftlbs coming on at only @2,750 rpms your C32 torque comes on @4,400rpms 03' S55 0-60 4.6 your C32 0-60 4.9 at the very best w/all your little mods you might, I say MIGHT just be able to get dead even, that's it dream on buddy....Unless you have a VIABLE DYNO CHART showing us different, Little pulley, Ecu, and lighter wheels, CAN NOT GIVE YOU .9 TENTHS OF A SEC END OF STORY..... The only way your claims could be true is if you slapped a SuperCharger on your C32.... I know you wern't racing from 0-60 w/s55, but with all the 516ftlbs of torque the S55 would walk all over you from 70-on up!
I've heard this quite a few times, Every tenth of a sec. in a race is equal to 1 car length. So your going to have us believe your little mods are going to put you .6 tenths of a sec. ahead of a S55 with Superior torque curve 516ftlbs coming on at only @2,750 rpms your C32 torque comes on @4,400rpms 03' S55 0-60 4.6 your C32 0-60 4.9 at the very best w/all your little mods you might, I say MIGHT just be able to get dead even, that's it dream on buddy....Unless you have a VIABLE DYNO CHART showing us different, Little pulley, Ecu, and lighter wheels, CAN NOT GIVE YOU .9 TENTHS OF A SEC END OF STORY..... The only way your claims could be true is if you slapped a SuperCharger on your C32.... I know you wern't racing from 0-60 w/s55, but with all the 516ftlbs of torque the S55 would walk all over you from 70-on up!
Why would he make up a story to get pounded by "non-believers" in a public forum? Physics is physics but drivers make or break many a race. PERIOD.
12-24-2004, 12:15 AM
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I have no problem believing this outcome. I have two sets of wheels for my C32. . . both are aftermarket. . . one set weighs almost the same as stock, and the other set is about 7 lbs. lighter per wheel. The difference is very noticeable.
12-24-2004, 12:47 AM
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I totally agree, but I also think he must've been racing an older 01-02' S55
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Why would he make up a story to get pounded by "non-believers" in a public forum? Physics is physics but drivers make or break many a race. PERIOD.
12-24-2004, 08:09 AM
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If it was an 03'- on up SuperCharged version the S55 driver must not have even been racing him, Just cruising the fwy autobahn style.....
12-24-2004, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by thericker55
If we take you at your words for how much faster you are now, than a 03' on up S55 AMG " Had him by 100' " that should put you into SL65 #'s w/out Turbo's or SuperChargers!! Get real!! All Sclass w220's are almost 17' long and if you say you beat him by 100' that would be almost exactly six car lengths!!
I've heard this quite a few times, Every tenth of a sec. in a race is equal to 1 car length. So your going to have us believe your little mods are going to put you .6 tenths of a sec. ahead of a S55 with Superior torque curve 516ftlbs coming on at only @2,750 rpms your C32 torque comes on @4,400rpms 03' S55 0-60 4.6 your C32 0-60 4.9 at the very best w/all your little mods you might, I say MIGHT just be able to get dead even, that's it dream on buddy....Unless you have a VIABLE DYNO CHART showing us different, Little pulley, Ecu, and lighter wheels, CAN NOT GIVE YOU .9 TENTHS OF A SEC END OF STORY..... The only way your claims could be true is if you slapped a SuperCharger on your C32.... I know you wern't racing from 0-60 w/s55, but with all the 516ftlbs of torque the S55 would walk all over you from 70-on up!
I've heard this quite a few times, Every tenth of a sec. in a race is equal to 1 car length. So your going to have us believe your little mods are going to put you .6 tenths of a sec. ahead of a S55 with Superior torque curve 516ftlbs coming on at only @2,750 rpms your C32 torque comes on @4,400rpms 03' S55 0-60 4.6 your C32 0-60 4.9 at the very best w/all your little mods you might, I say MIGHT just be able to get dead even, that's it dream on buddy....Unless you have a VIABLE DYNO CHART showing us different, Little pulley, Ecu, and lighter wheels, CAN NOT GIVE YOU .9 TENTHS OF A SEC END OF STORY..... The only way your claims could be true is if you slapped a SuperCharger on your C32.... I know you wern't racing from 0-60 w/s55, but with all the 516ftlbs of torque the S55 would walk all over you from 70-on up!
First of all, Jon does not need to "slap a supercharger on his C32" as AMG has already done it for him
Let's talk numbers. C32s with Jon's mods and good drivers are getting into the 12.5-12.7 second range in the quarter. It is my understanding that the supercharged S55 runs a high 12 or low 13 second 1/4 mile (I could only find a couple of stats on the internet, but this seemed to be the range). Why is it unbelievable that a modded C32 would beat a stock supercharged S55 by six carlengths in an extended race? On any given day, given the right conditions and depending on driver skill, either car could win by this margin.
All of you magazine racers seem to think that you can predict the outcome of races between similarly-fast cars. When someone contradicts your "magsturbation," you get petty and call the poster a liar or crazy. This is ridiculous.
Go out and race, and you will see the light
Before you go, however, make sure you wash your hands really well so you don't get Vaseline on the steering wheel.
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True...an older man in a c4s with a trophy in the passenger seat found this out much to his suprise as I passed him while sipping my iced coffee
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no magazine racer here... let's see some timeslips of a modded C32 like his pulling 115+MPH trap speeds..... yep.... that's what I thought..... nada...
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Exactly!!!!
Originally Posted by Fikse
no magazine racer here... let's see some timeslips of a modded C32 like his pulling 115+MPH trap speeds..... yep.... that's what I thought..... nada...
12-24-2004, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Vomit
Impressive
First of all, Jon does not need to "slap a supercharger on his C32" as AMG has already done it for him
Let's talk numbers. C32s with Jon's mods and good drivers are getting into the 12.5-12.7 second range in the quarter. It is my understanding that the supercharged S55 runs a high 12 or low 13 second 1/4 mile (I could only find a couple of stats on the internet, but this seemed to be the range). Why is it unbelievable that a modded C32 would beat a stock supercharged S55 by six carlengths in an extended race? On any given day, given the right conditions and depending on driver skill, either car could win by this margin.
All of you magazine racers seem to think that you can predict the outcome of races between similarly-fast cars. When someone contradicts your "magsturbation," you get petty and call the poster a liar or crazy. This is ridiculous.
Go out and race, and you will see the light Before you go, however, make sure you wash your hands really well so you don't get Vaseline on the steering wheel.
First of all, Jon does not need to "slap a supercharger on his C32" as AMG has already done it for him
Let's talk numbers. C32s with Jon's mods and good drivers are getting into the 12.5-12.7 second range in the quarter. It is my understanding that the supercharged S55 runs a high 12 or low 13 second 1/4 mile (I could only find a couple of stats on the internet, but this seemed to be the range). Why is it unbelievable that a modded C32 would beat a stock supercharged S55 by six carlengths in an extended race? On any given day, given the right conditions and depending on driver skill, either car could win by this margin.
All of you magazine racers seem to think that you can predict the outcome of races between similarly-fast cars. When someone contradicts your "magsturbation," you get petty and call the poster a liar or crazy. This is ridiculous.
Go out and race, and you will see the light
Before you go, however, make sure you wash your hands really well so you don't get Vaseline on the steering wheel. Your a funny guy Vomit! that's it nothing else just Funny.....
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12-25-2004, 12:55 AM
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Come to think of it i have never seen the time slip from a S55k.....
So anyone care to post one?
I dont see why people can't follow power to weight ratios. It looks like this... 55k owners are scared to think that a C32 could be quick. I have 2 55k's and I had a C32 and guess what I think the C32 could easily keep up with some mods. So let the games begin I say.
I doubt a S55k would trap at 115....seems a tad high for my tastes.
So anyone care to post one?
I dont see why people can't follow power to weight ratios. It looks like this... 55k owners are scared to think that a C32 could be quick. I have 2 55k's and I had a C32 and guess what I think the C32 could easily keep up with some mods. So let the games begin I say.
I doubt a S55k would trap at 115....seems a tad high for my tastes.
12-25-2004, 01:21 AM
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Did a little more reeeeesearch. The non-supercharged (pre-2003) S55 ran a 5.5 (Car and Driver), 5.6 (Motor Trend) or a 5.7 (Road and Track) second 0-60. The quarter mile times/speeds ranged from 13.4/102 to 14.1/102.7. These are almost the identical times of a new Acura TL. Do any of you really think that a non-supercharged S55 would even still be in the rearview mirror of a modded C32 after a 70-140 run??
The stock runs for a supercharged S55 are in the high twelves or low thirteens. Check the S55 section of this forum.
The modded C32 versus the S55 will be very close. If the S55 won by 6 cars from 70-140, I would not be surprised.
If a modded C32 (especially with a reputable claimant) claims to win by the same margin, why do you all blow a gasket?
Up, down, Up, down, Up, down
The stock runs for a supercharged S55 are in the high twelves or low thirteens. Check the S55 section of this forum.
The modded C32 versus the S55 will be very close. If the S55 won by 6 cars from 70-140, I would not be surprised.
If a modded C32 (especially with a reputable claimant) claims to win by the same margin, why do you all blow a gasket?
Up, down, Up, down, Up, down
12-25-2004, 02:08 AM
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I don't own a 03'- S55 but.....
Originally Posted by Vomit
Did a little more reeeeesearch. The non-supercharged (pre-2003) S55 ran a 5.5 (Car and Driver), 5.6 (Motor Trend) or a 5.7 (Road and Track) second 0-60. The quarter mile times/speeds ranged from 13.4/102 to 14.1/102.7. These are almost the identical times of a new Acura TL. Do any of you really think that a non-supercharged S55 would even still be in the rearview mirror of a modded C32 after a 70-140 run??
The stock runs for a supercharged S55 are in the high twelves or low thirteens. Check the S55 section of this forum.
The modded C32 versus the S55 will be very close. If the S55 won by 6 cars from 70-140, I would not be surprised.
If a modded C32 (especially with a reputable claimant) claims to win by the same margin, why do you all blow a gasket?
Up, down, Up, down, Up, down
The stock runs for a supercharged S55 are in the high twelves or low thirteens. Check the S55 section of this forum.
The modded C32 versus the S55 will be very close. If the S55 won by 6 cars from 70-140, I would not be surprised.
If a modded C32 (especially with a reputable claimant) claims to win by the same margin, why do you all blow a gasket?
Up, down, Up, down, Up, down
I bet if you owned the 03'- S55 instead of your C32, you wouldn't even be flappin' your gums right now.....
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12-25-2004, 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by thericker55
With all the perf. data HP, TQ, comparisons, in the S55's favor, w/small weight adavantage going to the C32 it still seems like a frivolous argument.I said earlier "I thought he could at least be even in a race w/mods" No way 6 car lengths!
I bet if you owned the 03'- S55 instead of your C32, you wouldn't even be flappin' your gums right now.....
I bet if you owned the 03'- S55 instead of your C32, you wouldn't even be flappin' your gums right now.....
This goes on even further. 55k owners are scared their cars might not be the fastest thing around! Lets be real here Vomit and Mr. Winter are correct. I had a C32 and it was quick. It was stock but it was still quick. My current AMG’s may be 55k’s but I will be the first to say that the RENNtech C32 I drove with an ECU, Pulley, and cams was as fast as my SL55… or it sure felt that way. The car would not hook up until past 60 mph.
I cant believe that people cant accept this outcome. Its not that far off.
As for Vomits figures for the old S55… spot on! Had the C32 and the old S55 at the same time… the S55 was no where near as quick and the C32 left the S for dead any time any place.
Vomit does not have to flap his gums… Ill do the flapping….
12-25-2004, 04:12 AM
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After reading this some more. It does sound like its clearly possible for a moded C32 to beat a S55. The ECU and pulley alone is a HUGE advantage over a stock C32. Plus like everyone else said, lighter wheels, and i see he has different brakes, and any 380mm and 322mm BBK will be much lighter then the stock brakes. So the power plus less upsprung weight fromt the brakes and wheels clearly can give the C32 the advantage.
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with street racing.. u can't tell who really had a jump on the other... if both cars posted similar times.. then whoever gets the jump will always be the winner.. half a car length at the start can be magnified quite a bit at the end of the run.. a c32 is almost 1000 lbs less than an s55... that's a nice run jon had.. with or without a jump.. either way, u shouldn't be defending the s55 like some bmw trolls that have come here and started those "which is better story" .. an s55 is still a very nice car to be doin' long road trips on, esp with stragihts like on i5 or in the plains..
anyway.. merry christmas (or happy holidays) all..
and started those "which is better story" .. an s55 is still a very nice car to be doin' long road trips on, esp with stragihts like on i5 or in the plains..anyway.. merry christmas (or happy holidays) all..
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I have personally raced an older S55 in my car a few times..... I won by about 2-3 cars on the highway..... I have run 13.4 @ 105 in my stock C32....
I have also raced a C32 with pulley and chip, carbon fiber hood and who knows what else.... I lost by about 2-3 cars on the highway.... so it makes sense that a modded C32 would pull the older S55 by 6 cars....
I'm not a C32 basher, I have one.... but you all are not being realistic....
the fact is, a C32 with pulley and ECU does NOT pull 115 MPH trap speeds! as you can see nobody is poting timeslips or even saying it can...
how about this.... the CL55, which has the SAME motor as the S55, and is HEAVIER than the S55, pulled 114.5 MPH trap speeds in MOTOR TREND. You can BET the S55 will do at least the same, most likely faster, since it's lighter...
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...slip-3172.html
NOW, anyone with resonable deduction skills, can see that the S55 will pull around 115MPH trap speeds, and for a modifeid C32 to beat this same S55 by 6-10 cars, it would need to be pulling 118+ trap speeds..... and we all know, this is not happening....
why is this so complicated??
I have also raced a C32 with pulley and chip, carbon fiber hood and who knows what else.... I lost by about 2-3 cars on the highway.... so it makes sense that a modded C32 would pull the older S55 by 6 cars....
I'm not a C32 basher, I have one.... but you all are not being realistic....
the fact is, a C32 with pulley and ECU does NOT pull 115 MPH trap speeds! as you can see nobody is poting timeslips or even saying it can...
how about this.... the CL55, which has the SAME motor as the S55, and is HEAVIER than the S55, pulled 114.5 MPH trap speeds in MOTOR TREND. You can BET the S55 will do at least the same, most likely faster, since it's lighter...
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...slip-3172.html
NOW, anyone with resonable deduction skills, can see that the S55 will pull around 115MPH trap speeds, and for a modifeid C32 to beat this same S55 by 6-10 cars, it would need to be pulling 118+ trap speeds..... and we all know, this is not happening....
why is this so complicated??
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