E55 AMG's Blower.. How much bigger then C32's?
02-06-2005, 05:40 PM
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Honestly Miro this is not an area of science I am very familiar with but if your past rants about cars are any basis for your true knowledge I can say you are in left field. Using your past reasoning as a basis of how you think I would not trust you to modify a 1990 Geo Metro.
Cars need ESP and NO LSD to be safe when driven at the track because LSD's are not safe
A car needs to be heavy to drive well.. over 1700 kg
A Race car should not have an aggressive rear end...
These are all your past statements when board users thought you were completely crazy so I will continue to think that maybe you are still completely crazy.
Cars need ESP and NO LSD to be safe when driven at the track because LSD's are not safe
A car needs to be heavy to drive well.. over 1700 kg
A Race car should not have an aggressive rear end...
These are all your past statements when board users thought you were completely crazy so I will continue to think that maybe you are still completely crazy.
02-06-2005, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by miroj
You contribute what ? You slept at school and now you enlighten us with your domestic platitudes.
02-06-2005, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CynCarvin32
Honestly Miro this is not an area of science I am very familiar with but if your past rants about cars are any basis for your true knowledge I can say you are in left field. Using your past reasoning as a basis of how you think I would not trust you to modify a 1990 Geo Metro.
Cars need ESP and NO LSD to be safe when driven at the track because LSD's are not safe
A car needs to be heavy to drive well.. over 1700 kg
A Race car should not have an aggressive rear end...
These are all your past statements when board users thought you were completely crazy so I will continue to think that maybe you are still completely crazy.
Cars need ESP and NO LSD to be safe when driven at the track because LSD's are not safe
A car needs to be heavy to drive well.. over 1700 kg
A Race car should not have an aggressive rear end...
These are all your past statements when board users thought you were completely crazy so I will continue to think that maybe you are still completely crazy.
02-06-2005, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by miroj
The max RPM is not in the same range. If you truncate both performance charts to have matching plots then it becomes apparent.
You also fail to indicate whether the differences in air-flow represent significant gains in the engine over the OEM variety (justifies the cost) or where the pressure is taken ..... plenum or output chamber ? Before or after IC.
You also fail to indicate whether the differences in air-flow represent significant gains in the engine over the OEM variety (justifies the cost) or where the pressure is taken ..... plenum or output chamber ? Before or after IC.
More air in the engine = more power. It is not a difficult concept.
I have said this before, but I suggest that you pick up these books on the subject:
-Corky Bell's book "Maximum Boost"
-Corky Bell's book "Supercharged!"
-Hugh MacInnes' book "Turbochargers"
-A. Graham Bell's book "Forced Induction Performance Tuning"
-A. Graham Bell's book "Four-Stroke Performance Tuning"
-Earl/Diane Davis' book "Supercharging, Turbocharging, & Nitrous Oxide" Performance"
02-06-2005, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by miroj
How can anyone at a given RPM of engine performance inject more air and not increase the pressure. The chamber of the larger SC is not a factor since the plenum of the engine is fixed.
...EDIT: Unlike Eaton, the POWER CONSUMED to crank the SC is not stated.
...EDIT: Unlike Eaton, the POWER CONSUMED to crank the SC is not stated.
Forget Boyle; think Bernoulli and Navier-Stokes ...
Also, the power consumed is shown on the maps in green lines and Kilowatts.
As has been said though, since these blowers are not interchangeable you might as well do something reaaally wild ... like a twin turbo setup. *snickers and awaits flames* :P Hugh MacInnes is rolling in his grave!
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02-06-2005, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AaronC
What becomes apparent? The larger SC flows more volume at the same boost pressure.
More air in the engine = more power. It is not a difficult concept.
More air in the engine = more power. It is not a difficult concept.
What's really more important in this instance is the positive displacement of air per crankshaft revolution. If the larger supercharger displaces 20% more air per crankshaft revolution then 20% more air will go into the engine; that's the beauty of a positive displacement supercharging system.
Just forget about boost pressure, it will depend on VE, the airflow velocity, and sooooo much other stuff. The mass of air displaced by the supercharger per engine revolution is the mass of air going into the engine per revolution.
The only complicated part is the density of the air entering the SC, which will determine the air-mass displacement per cycle since the SC displaces a fixed volume, which does not always have a fixed mass ...
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02-07-2005, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by AaronC
More air in the engine = more power. It is not a difficult concept.
02-07-2005, 07:05 AM
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Why are you even bringing an Eaton into this? It's probably the worst blower to start out with because of it's Outlet temps and inefficiency.
02-07-2005, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by miroj
It would seem that air mass and air pressure are the same thing in your mind.
02-07-2005, 10:58 AM
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Z: The reality of installing bigger kompressor will involve considerable amount of fabrication.
At this time single or twin turbo will be more appealing in terms of power potential. There is room for a single if some components, like secondary pump - are moved.
However, I have actually been looking into doing a remote turbo, in place of a muffler. Keep the kompressor for low end and use a fairly big turbo for that big kick on top.
As far as "miroj", just ignore him. Simply waste of time.
At this time single or twin turbo will be more appealing in terms of power potential. There is room for a single if some components, like secondary pump - are moved.
However, I have actually been looking into doing a remote turbo, in place of a muffler. Keep the kompressor for low end and use a fairly big turbo for that big kick on top.
As far as "miroj", just ignore him. Simply waste of time.
02-07-2005, 02:08 PM
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02 Corvette Z06, 02 C32 AMG
Originally Posted by Vadim @ evosport
Z: The reality of installing bigger kompressor will involve considerable amount of fabrication.
At this time single or twin turbo will be more appealing in terms of power potential. There is room for a single if some components, like secondary pump - are moved.
However, I have actually been looking into doing a remote turbo, in place of a muffler. Keep the kompressor for low end and use a fairly big turbo for that big kick on top.
As far as "miroj", just ignore him. Simply waste of time.
At this time single or twin turbo will be more appealing in terms of power potential. There is room for a single if some components, like secondary pump - are moved.
However, I have actually been looking into doing a remote turbo, in place of a muffler. Keep the kompressor for low end and use a fairly big turbo for that big kick on top.
As far as "miroj", just ignore him. Simply waste of time.
A better question to ask is if you can upgrade the factory heat exchanger. The 03+ Cobra has a very nice unit good up to 500 + Horsepower that probably could be used on our cars.
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02-07-2005, 08:21 PM
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Twin turbo definitely sounds appealing to me. Twin GT28RS, or, if you're eventually aiming for 800+ hp, twin GT3071R's would work well. *evil grin* The latter of which is a bit crazy ... and I assume no responsibility if someone actually goes that far ... 
Remote turbo would be cool as heck! Just one GT35R with a HUGE exhaust side (for best top end, blower will supply low-end) and some creative plumbing ... 600 hp, baby ... and probably good drivability with the blower still in place!
Now all I need is an unlimited supply of money; anyone wanna donate?
kidding!
Adrian~
Remote turbo would be cool as heck! Just one GT35R with a HUGE exhaust side (for best top end, blower will supply low-end) and some creative plumbing ... 600 hp, baby ... and probably good drivability with the blower still in place!
Now all I need is an unlimited supply of money; anyone wanna donate?
kidding!Adrian~
02-07-2005, 10:00 PM
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HEY, my positive displacement is BIGGER than yours!
This was a funny, and informational thread. I don't know what kind of person would continue to contend in the face of the presentation of so much informtation. Thanks for the book titles.
This was a funny, and informational thread. I don't know what kind of person would continue to contend in the face of the presentation of so much informtation. Thanks for the book titles.
02-07-2005, 10:07 PM
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HEY, my positive displacement is BIGGER than yours!
This was a funny, and informational thread. I don't know what kind of person would continue to contend in the face of the presentation of so much informtation. Thanks for the book titles.
This was a funny, and informational thread. I don't know what kind of person would continue to contend in the face of the presentation of so much informtation. Thanks for the book titles.
