Teck

I need some help. Can anyone tell me exactly what parts I need and if it really works with an E55 engine! I'm working at a dealer and I spoke to a AMG representative....he told me it's impossible and that I need to send my car to the A;G manufactory and sepend arround $30k for the conversion! I can't belive that so I need some more info!

Thx.
Phil

Ashkan's C43

all you would need a the engine, wire harness would be the same, if it is a 99 or newer c43, and maybe ecu, but I am sure you can have it reflashed for e55, think esp problems will occur

Teck

Can I use the ECU of an E55?

2QUIK4U

check out www.club202.com, there is a guy on there who did the conversion, his screen name is "coolcarlskic43". I'm sure he can provide you with all the information that you need. Keep us posted on the conversion

E55Cent

Carl is a great guy and he did the C43 to C55 conversion with very little problems or $$. He would be the guy to talk to.
Mario

ProjectC55

Hey thanx Mario!!

Yes you can use a 99 E55 ECU but you will have to get the 99 E55 ESP module with it or the ESP/ABS lights will stay on.If you get the E55 module you'll also have to take the clip off the end of the harness so that the wiring harness from the C43 can fit onto the E55 module.It's pretty simple. Finally I managed to get my C43 ECU flashed to make the ECU think the car is an E55.This way the ECU had some of the E55 properties and C43 properties which allowed me to keep my ESP module and return the E55 ECU and it's ESP module.I saved alot of money.

Your AMG Rep is an idiot! Give that to him.

The motor swap is also a piece of cake being that they are basically the same engine.The stck C43 tranny loves the 5.5L motor more!Basically the trannies are the same as well.Just use E55 motor mounts they look the same but are much more stouter and about 20-30.00 more. Good Luck.

2QUIK4U

Carl,

Since I have a supercharged C43 would you recommend upgrading to these motor mounts? Would they work with the C43 engine?

ProjectC55

Yes I do recommend it.My buddy put E55 mounts in his C43 pictured in my sig.

IdriveFast

the amg representative probably had doing a 4.3liter -> 5.4 liter conversion in mind, while you were thinking about buying a used e55 engine.

the labor cost of boring out the 4.3 probably WOULD cost somewhere near 20k.

ProjectC55

Possible but Not worth it! I'd do a 5.0L and bore it out.

IdriveFast

i know..never said it was worth it. i was only trying to shed some light on what the representative might have meant

ProjectC55

I'm going based on what Teck said he asked the AMG rep.IF the E55 engine would wrk in the C43.

There's nothing indicating to me that the rep would think Teck was asking about boring the 4.3L motor or anything like that so I don't know why the crazee rep would think he meant otherwise.He asked this retarded AMG rep a simple question about engine replacement and the rep said NO impossible. We know that these guys don't always know what the hell they're taking about but I also don't think he misunderstood Teck's question. No big deal though!However I understand your point.I would say the rep is a Jack *** if he was thinking otherwise.

Teck

Wow great info thanks guys. But in fact that's what I thought. The C43 engine is a M113 like the E55 engine! Right know I'm searching a crashed E55 for the parts I need, last year we had one...maybe this year as well

The AMG rep. wanted to sell me the W202 C55 engine with tranny and some other stuff AMG just want to make money!

coolcarlskiC43: Is there a big difference in the power and the handling of the car? Do you recommend the swap?

ProjectC55

Night and Day I'd say TECK.TQ Monster!I highly recommend the swap.I don't think I'd ever sell my car now.I love it!My friends C43 dynoed 238rwhp mine dynoed 293rwhp.So there you go.And you feel it.You feel it big time.

I was never truly impressed with the handling on these cars(C43) but it basically feels the same.After all I drive a BMW M3 and a modded BMW 332i so handling is also like night and day BMW vs MB.My fully modded AWD Talon is my most powerful and best handling car though hands down.

Teck

So I think that means I have to search an engine

Wish me luck, I hope I can find a good engine as fast as possible!

MikeL

You might as well take it to Brabus and have them turn your C43 into a Brabus 5.8. IIRC the conversion cost from a C43 to a B-5.8L was around $35K.

Teck

Sorry but that's to much for me. For aprox 20k I can get a Kleemann s/c and got def. more power then the Brabus 5.8.
But Brabus is great

MikeL

Thats the route I would go also. Id just slap a s/c onto it. But if you were going to build the motor N/A through AMG and pay $30K for a 5.5L, id rather go the Brabus way.

ProjectC55

Or get lucky like me and get the 5.4L motor from a junkyard for 5k and pay anywhere from 2-3k for install depending on condition of motor. Unless you S/C the 4.3L motor with an HPS S/C or find a low priced ,low mileage 5.4L motor and installing it you can't beat that.Or just find a 5.0L motor and stroke it to become a 5.4L. 2 thumbs up. Pistons are same bore but the position of the rod pin is different because of the increased stroke. If your a millionaire with money to rthrow away ,then go Brabus.KRAZEE and not worth it for the average wrking man...I don't even think Donald Trump would venture on spending the money on the Brabus setup. Stay tuned because we just finished building another W202 C55 and it's fast as helll!

Teck

lol actually I have a blown 5.0 AMG engine. But it's to destroyd I need another one!

ProjectC55

Well if it's a 5.0 AMG motor (M119)from a AMG E50 it would be a challenge getting it to wrk.Better off getting a reg 5.0L M113 engine,purchase a set of aftermarket cams and valve springs, get stck MB or aftermarket pistons,a 5.5L crank and build the motor for install.

Teck

That's why I don't want to rebuild the engine. But actually no one has a 5.5 engine at the moment. So I need tro wait a bit

Teck

coolcarlskiC43: don't you have some pics of your beast? or some vids ?

ProjectC55

You can use a E500 5.oL motor.You just have to get a 5.5L crank and the other items I mentioned above.

Teck

LOL ok listen, I got an answer for the AMG rep.
"Hi Teck you can install the W210 E55 angine in your car, but you can't close the hood bacause the E55 engine is higher than the C43 engine...."

Well that was the short version!