C36 on the track
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From: New York
Stg3 B5S4-C55 AMG
When I was shopping for a c36, I drove one that had a H&R/Bils Sport combo and it rode the twisties very nice.
When he first pulled up I was surprised how low the car was...like barely a pinky clearance for the F&R, but after a few minutes of driving it felt great.
Body roll was minimal compared to stock height. Razor turn ins were what sold me.
I'm hoping to get Lensolo's Camber kit soon before I install my kit.
My Audi S4 pals say the same thing about the Eibach's. Good for a DD, but only a tad firmer than the OEM springs.
When he first pulled up I was surprised how low the car was...like barely a pinky clearance for the F&R, but after a few minutes of driving it felt great.
Body roll was minimal compared to stock height. Razor turn ins were what sold me.
I'm hoping to get Lensolo's Camber kit soon before I install my kit.
My Audi S4 pals say the same thing about the Eibach's. Good for a DD, but only a tad firmer than the OEM springs.
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From: Socal
1991 300sl 5 speed manual
I can get you a set of camber arms in the next week if you would like. See: www.speedybnz.com. for info and pics.
Just let me know.
Jeff
Just let me know.
Jeff
I just picked up my first C36. Cant wait to start improving her...
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2007 R320 CDI, 2010 FJ Cruiser, CTS-V
I am also contemplating dumping the Bilstein sports and going to adjustable Koni's front and rear.
Does anyone have the factory C36 springs still hanging around? I may give those a try since I am going to be buying the spring compressor tool anyway.
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2007 R320 CDI, 2010 FJ Cruiser, CTS-V
I called H&R two days ago and spoke to them. They said that the H&R sports are progressive on the C36.
All the documentation I have seen has shows that the H&Rs are linear both sport and race, (same is true in the bmw community) and eibachs/intrax/vogtland are all progressive rate. Thats why for true performance driving the H&Rs are better, but for every day use the eibachs are better. I will note, on some cars the bilstein sports & eibach springs aren't the best combo due just not meshing well together, but on others its a good combo. If you have documentation proving otherwise please provide it.
On the E36 M3s for example, the combo 90% run who use bilstein sports is H&R springs b/c the eibachs would give the car odd quirks at times (sometimes feeling floaty at the limit & etc) so people opted for bilsteins. If they ran eibachs they'd usually run koni. But thats really only an issue on that specific model, on others people seem to run them fine.
On the E36 M3s for example, the combo 90% run who use bilstein sports is H&R springs b/c the eibachs would give the car odd quirks at times (sometimes feeling floaty at the limit & etc) so people opted for bilsteins. If they ran eibachs they'd usually run koni. But thats really only an issue on that specific model, on others people seem to run them fine.
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1996 C36 AMG
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W124 E36T AMG; W124 500E
The 5 speed tranny is stronger than the 4 speed and has much better gearing.
My friend just chucked the 4speed auto out of his turbocharged C36 and threw in the 5 speed trany from the M113 cars with a bell housing from a 97 W210 E320 which helped it bolt right on. I'll be politically correct and say that these trannies are not bullet proof unless you give them constant fluid chgs.
By the way the 5 speed tranny in the C43 is rumored to be the same tranny in the SL 600.
My friend just chucked the 4speed auto out of his turbocharged C36 and threw in the 5 speed trany from the M113 cars with a bell housing from a 97 W210 E320 which helped it bolt right on. I'll be politically correct and say that these trannies are not bullet proof unless you give them constant fluid chgs.
By the way the 5 speed tranny in the C43 is rumored to be the same tranny in the SL 600.
How did he integrate the electronics of that 5-speed ?
Do you have a link or contract info ?
Thanks,
:-) neil
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1995 C36 AMG
C36 on the track
Don't do it. You don't have enough money for the repairs.
First, they run hot, temp wise, all the time. Second, nose heavy so handling isn't so great. Third, front brakes & rotors are so expensive you really will be shocked. Fourth, the heat generated by the engine and front brakes will ruin the finish on the AMG wheels, causing cracking in the finish (and that was with normal driving, so mine have been refinished 3 times).
Then there is just all the other stuff that occurs with a C36 that track driving will reveal - bushings will fail and are expensive to replace, etc.
Good luck though.
First, they run hot, temp wise, all the time. Second, nose heavy so handling isn't so great. Third, front brakes & rotors are so expensive you really will be shocked. Fourth, the heat generated by the engine and front brakes will ruin the finish on the AMG wheels, causing cracking in the finish (and that was with normal driving, so mine have been refinished 3 times).
Then there is just all the other stuff that occurs with a C36 that track driving will reveal - bushings will fail and are expensive to replace, etc.
Good luck though.
