99 C43 with 41k on it's way!!!!!!!!!!
11-16-2008, 06:16 PM
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I disagree with you on the value slipping on a pristine, low mileage C43 with documented service history.
Collectable vehicles do not begin to achieve appreciating value in the first ten years +/- .
The C43 is still a "new" car, but one with low production numbers.
Key to making money on collectable vehicles is to have foresight and buy at a bottom.
"Buy low, sell high" is how you make money in any investable asset !
Case in point... would you have thought a 1971 280SL W113 that was worth less then $10K in 1981 would now be valued at $50K-70K for a 2+ condition vehicle ?
Look at the 300SL market...when they were ten years old they were at $4K.
Current market forty years later they are at 70 to 100 times the ten year price.
I purchased a 1966 Aston Martin DB6 Vantage ( DB6/2447/R ) early in 1983 for $12K. Invested about $25K over a sixteen year period. Sold it in 1997 for $95K. Enjoyed it, showed and raced it, but kept it as pristine as possible.
I do however regret selling a 1964 lightweight Dodge max performance hemi, one of fifty made, in 1975 for $3500...no market then for race cars...now it would fetch close to 150K-$200K at auction.
I remember a story the late Bob Grossman told me.
Grossman owned and drove more then one 1962 Ferrari GTO under Luigi Chinetti and NART.
He sold his GTO's for $6500 ten years later...they then reached a value of over $7M in the late eighties.
Low production Mercs such as C36 and C43 AMG's, C124's and A124's are going to be more then double their current low value within the next ten years.
Only to look at Europe, U.K. and Japan for values on these models which have already increased !
Collectable vehicles do not begin to achieve appreciating value in the first ten years +/- .
The C43 is still a "new" car, but one with low production numbers.
Key to making money on collectable vehicles is to have foresight and buy at a bottom.
"Buy low, sell high" is how you make money in any investable asset !
Case in point... would you have thought a 1971 280SL W113 that was worth less then $10K in 1981 would now be valued at $50K-70K for a 2+ condition vehicle ?
Look at the 300SL market...when they were ten years old they were at $4K.
Current market forty years later they are at 70 to 100 times the ten year price.
I purchased a 1966 Aston Martin DB6 Vantage ( DB6/2447/R ) early in 1983 for $12K. Invested about $25K over a sixteen year period. Sold it in 1997 for $95K. Enjoyed it, showed and raced it, but kept it as pristine as possible.
I do however regret selling a 1964 lightweight Dodge max performance hemi, one of fifty made, in 1975 for $3500...no market then for race cars...now it would fetch close to 150K-$200K at auction.
I remember a story the late Bob Grossman told me.
Grossman owned and drove more then one 1962 Ferrari GTO under Luigi Chinetti and NART.
He sold his GTO's for $6500 ten years later...they then reached a value of over $7M in the late eighties.
Low production Mercs such as C36 and C43 AMG's, C124's and A124's are going to be more then double their current low value within the next ten years.
Only to look at Europe, U.K. and Japan for values on these models which have already increased !
11-16-2008, 06:22 PM
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Not knocking the CLK 55, just that it's not as collectable as the C43.
Performance isn't the only factor in buying and holding a low mileage example of a low production volume vehicle.
A CLK55 is faster then a 6.0L AMG 124 Hammer...but I know which I would prefer owning and be willing to pay a premium for...
The CLK fell short as a coupe because it wasn't pillarless....
Mercedes corrected this design deficiency in the next generation.
The C208 syle was not a high point in Merc design and failed to follow the head turning design of the C124.
Mercedes Enthusiast Magazine just did an article on the C208 with primary emphasis on its affordability.
Performance isn't the only factor in buying and holding a low mileage example of a low production volume vehicle.
A CLK55 is faster then a 6.0L AMG 124 Hammer...but I know which I would prefer owning and be willing to pay a premium for...
The CLK fell short as a coupe because it wasn't pillarless....
Mercedes corrected this design deficiency in the next generation.
The C208 syle was not a high point in Merc design and failed to follow the head turning design of the C124.
Mercedes Enthusiast Magazine just did an article on the C208 with primary emphasis on its affordability.
11-16-2008, 06:30 PM
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My wife worked for Mercedes in Seattle,the Ferrari dealer had a 250 Testa Rossa for 11k,I told her we should buy it.Spoke to the Ferrari dealer a few years ago.Car is in an unnamed Northwest speed geeks collection,now worth over 10 million.Oh well
Who knew it would be voted one of the most beautiful car of all time? Can I kick myself in the *** now?
the GTO version over 18million
Who knew it would be voted one of the most beautiful car of all time? Can I kick myself in the *** now?
the GTO version over 18million
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11-16-2008, 08:10 PM
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I hate to say this but just because the car is rare, it doesn't mean its gonna go up in value, it needs to be special at something
take the gullwing for example
look at the doors, lambo badges were still on tractors when mercedes thought of that(J. clarkson quote)
it was one of the fastest cars in its time too
that's why the car is high in value today
C36 was the first AMG built for the public so there is hope for it
I don know many facts about the c43, I own one now so I am hoping it will go up in value
take the gullwing for example
look at the doors, lambo badges were still on tractors when mercedes thought of that(J. clarkson quote)
it was one of the fastest cars in its time too
that's why the car is high in value today
C36 was the first AMG built for the public so there is hope for it
I don know many facts about the c43, I own one now so I am hoping it will go up in value
11-17-2008, 09:23 AM
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88-300CE TWIN TURBO, 99-C43, 05-G55K, 71-280SL, 94-E320 CAB, 08 CLK63 BLACK SERIES
is none of the cars you mentioned,as a benchmark,an engineering break through or a turning point in the history of the make.41K and a driver will never be a 1or 2+ car.The few in garages that have under 5k might,but those are in private collection already.The 300SL was an immediate collector and several went into private collection the day they arrived at the dealer.I know of two in the Seattle market.If buy low and sell high is the word of the day.The C43 is likely the wrong model and paying a $6000 premium for a moderately low mile example is a zero sum proposition.
In 2005 when I sold my 57 Belair convertible that I had bought in 67 for $600 in mint condition,That was buy low sell high.
I could be wrong.Let's see how low the market goes and if in 10 years there are buyers that dreamed of always having a C43 will pony up the cash.
In 2005 when I sold my 57 Belair convertible that I had bought in 67 for $600 in mint condition,That was buy low sell high.
I could be wrong.Let's see how low the market goes and if in 10 years there are buyers that dreamed of always having a C43 will pony up the cash.
You can look at all pricing and average or do whatever you want...
The reality is that the OP purchased a unique vehicle as there exists no other that is that specific vehicle...
What that particular vehicle is worth is exactly what he paid for it...the transaction has indisputably established value for that unique vehicle purchased by the OP.
No different then any other purchase...the item is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
11-17-2008, 09:26 AM
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88-300CE TWIN TURBO, 99-C43, 05-G55K, 71-280SL, 94-E320 CAB, 08 CLK63 BLACK SERIES
One being an ugly duckling E/C hybrid, the other being a true E with one of the most attractive coupe designs ever produced by MB
11-17-2008, 10:51 AM
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I find these discussions over price amusing. ohlord always criticizes what people pay or want to sell their vehicles for. Others disagree.
Here is a little scret - a car is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay - period.
One other note - there were over 50,000 W113 SL's produced. There were 5,196 250SLs alone in the W113 model run. There were over 3,200 300SLs (coupe and roadster) produced. While the C43 might not be the milestone that the 300SL was, it has arguable as much cache as a W113 (I owned one for 36 years so I think I can speak from experience). There were only 1,500 C43's brought into the US, so the C43 is pretty rare as M-B go.
Here is a little scret - a car is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay - period.
One other note - there were over 50,000 W113 SL's produced. There were 5,196 250SLs alone in the W113 model run. There were over 3,200 300SLs (coupe and roadster) produced. While the C43 might not be the milestone that the 300SL was, it has arguable as much cache as a W113 (I owned one for 36 years so I think I can speak from experience). There were only 1,500 C43's brought into the US, so the C43 is pretty rare as M-B go.
11-17-2008, 01:27 PM
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s/c 99 c43 amg
superior isnt the word, i destroy my buddy mike c36 when my car was bone stock, now both our cars are modded and stiill cant come even close to mine.
11-17-2008, 03:01 PM
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ohlord has disagreed with me many times in the past and pissed me off etc., but he is almost always right in my opinion.
I once sold a 1999 Audi A6 Avant with 145k on the clock for 9500, this was in fall 2007... the car was honestly worth 6k tops. I don't think it was worth 9500 even if i sold it for that.
do i think a 1999 C43 with 40k on it is worth 17k though? maybe... I think these are great, fun cars and 17k isn't all that much $ when you look at the cost of most crappier new cars.
I once sold a 1999 Audi A6 Avant with 145k on the clock for 9500, this was in fall 2007... the car was honestly worth 6k tops. I don't think it was worth 9500 even if i sold it for that.
do i think a 1999 C43 with 40k on it is worth 17k though? maybe... I think these are great, fun cars and 17k isn't all that much $ when you look at the cost of most crappier new cars.
11-17-2008, 03:16 PM
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I know this guy who used to have a C43. We ran from 0-120 the C43 got my stock C36 by a car. A disappointment for the 302hp V8 C43
Just look at the #s for both the C43 and C36. They are within .1-.2 sec difference in the 1/4 and traps 2mph quicker then the C36.
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You got to be joking I know this guy who used to have a C43. We ran from 0-120 the C43 got my stock C36 by a car. A disappointment for the 302hp V8 C43 Just look at the #s for both the C43 and C36. They are within .1-.2 sec difference in the 1/4 and traps 2mph quicker then the C36.
I know this guy who used to have a C43. We ran from 0-120 the C43 got my stock C36 by a car. A disappointment for the 302hp V8 C43 Just look at the #s for both the C43 and C36. They are within .1-.2 sec difference in the 1/4 and traps 2mph quicker then the C36.that is all true- however, also look at the acceleration within a gear etc., the tq of the V8 is very apparent if you drive the cars back to back. It isn't all about the acceleration numbers. An example would be my G35- it feels very torquey and under normal driving conditions the tq makes it drive like a much more powerful vehicle. The driving experience is a huge improvement over the 3.0 litre BMWs for example due to the tq.
I think it's also very important that the C43 has a V8. Regardless of how fast it is (C36s AND C43s are slow anyways) it was really the first car of it's kind available with a V8 and I think that is extremely important. Straight 6s were pretty much the norm in the 90s euro scene.
11-17-2008, 03:32 PM
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to differ.Having seen far to many new owners over pay the market for what you say is the only determinate to value(what the buyer is willing to pay)and the buyer gets way in over their head for a car thats market price has been established far lower.
Maybe the car is held onto for a long long time and over paying becomes a faded issue.Maybe as in most cases the buyer finances the car enjoys it for 2 or 3 years and then tries to sell it for what they think the value is to them.That is when the sad reality hits and they are so upside down on the deal they lose their shorts.
It happens in the real estate market the same way.Someone purchases a similar house to yours a block down and foolishly pays $50,000 over the market value.Does that make it the price you can sell your house for?
Not unless you find a buyer that was as ill informed as the guy down the block.
In 2 years the car will have 70k-80k miles on it. Will it be worth $14,000 then?
Not by history of the model or any other indicator,they just keep dropping in value.
It's okay though if you think your way of value v.s. price is the way to price a car for sale or to purchase one is the best method.You will be one of those guys with the car on sale for a year and the price being dropped lower by the month,just like the guy who paid to much for his house.
Many a member has overpriced their AMG (you name the model) and sat on it putting in some case thousands of dollars in repairs while they waited for the reality to set in that the market is ruled by the guy with the cash and the guy that has the cash usually knows what the real value is.Then they sell after making several more monthly payments while the market keeps dropping.
Time will tell though.Members 3 years ago on another high end car forum had your same beef.I still hear from several of them that wish they had researched the market more and followed my advice before buying or pricing to sell.You'll come around,eventually
being pragmatically realistic is not being critical ,it is just being a realist
usually the guys who complain most about my view on the matter are the very ones who paid far too much for what could have been had for far far less.
Maybe the car is held onto for a long long time and over paying becomes a faded issue.Maybe as in most cases the buyer finances the car enjoys it for 2 or 3 years and then tries to sell it for what they think the value is to them.That is when the sad reality hits and they are so upside down on the deal they lose their shorts.
It happens in the real estate market the same way.Someone purchases a similar house to yours a block down and foolishly pays $50,000 over the market value.Does that make it the price you can sell your house for?
Not unless you find a buyer that was as ill informed as the guy down the block.
In 2 years the car will have 70k-80k miles on it. Will it be worth $14,000 then?
Not by history of the model or any other indicator,they just keep dropping in value.
It's okay though if you think your way of value v.s. price is the way to price a car for sale or to purchase one is the best method.You will be one of those guys with the car on sale for a year and the price being dropped lower by the month,just like the guy who paid to much for his house.
Many a member has overpriced their AMG (you name the model) and sat on it putting in some case thousands of dollars in repairs while they waited for the reality to set in that the market is ruled by the guy with the cash and the guy that has the cash usually knows what the real value is.Then they sell after making several more monthly payments while the market keeps dropping.
Time will tell though.Members 3 years ago on another high end car forum had your same beef.I still hear from several of them that wish they had researched the market more and followed my advice before buying or pricing to sell.You'll come around,eventually
being pragmatically realistic is not being critical ,it is just being a realist
usually the guys who complain most about my view on the matter are the very ones who paid far too much for what could have been had for far far less.
11-17-2008, 03:37 PM
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C43 AMG & E55 AMG
I paid 17.5K for my c43 one year ago with 50k miles on the clock.
But I have to agree market value for amg car in canada is WAY higher then states...still here c43 goes for around 16-18K~ with way more mileage then I have...
But I think price depends on how well the maintenance of the car as been done.
Don't forget those were 78 000$ cdn brand new, and to keep maintenance perfect is costly.
And I do believe a well kept c43 is worth 16-18k~ if mileage is low. or at least I would pay that price ( and I did :P )
People should stop to put the price so low lol, AMG cars should stay high on resale so very few people can afford them.
But I have to agree market value for amg car in canada is WAY higher then states...still here c43 goes for around 16-18K~ with way more mileage then I have...
But I think price depends on how well the maintenance of the car as been done.
Don't forget those were 78 000$ cdn brand new, and to keep maintenance perfect is costly.
And I do believe a well kept c43 is worth 16-18k~ if mileage is low. or at least I would pay that price ( and I did :P )
People should stop to put the price so low lol, AMG cars should stay high on resale so very few people can afford them.
11-17-2008, 04:46 PM
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Wow did this open up a can of worms! This car is mint not one scratch,nick,ding or rust.This car has been maintained by MB only with a huge folder full of receipts.One owner car.I searched just about every craigs' list,ebay,cars.com,autotrader etc for 4 months.Most cars on average had 70-85k minimum.I'm not use to purchasing higher mileage cars' so I would not be comfortable purchasing such.Sooo,I waited and found what i'm comfortable with.Though I might have overpaid for this car,I'll be happier in the end as I plan to use this car as sparingly as it's previous owner.I'm sure this particular car will appreciate over time with it's excellent maintenance history,condt.and low miles.I think i did REAL WELL WITH THIS ONE! So yes,it is what one will be willing to pay for such an excellent example.Isn't that the case with all rare,limited production special interest cars'? Thought so.
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99CEEFOURTHREE - Are you happy? That is what matters. My son paid a bit over $22K for a 29,000 mile 1999 C43 about two years ago. It was mint, well cared for and at an M-B dealer. The dealer had installed new rotors (keep in mind what that cost was), pads all around, tires, the SRS sensor in the passenger seat and done a full "B" service. Could he have found one cheaper - I'm sure he could. But he has put ZERO dollars into repairs and the car now has 55,000 miles on it. In repair dollars saved compared to a higher mileage, less well cared for example, he likely saved every penny of the price delta and hasn't had any headaches. That is important to him - he lives across country, in an apartment and doesn't have the depth of tools to accomplish repairs on his own.
That is the way I buy cars too and I've never been burned or unhappy. Frankly, the theory that by paying less one is less likely to be "upside down" or better able to afford repairs doesn't hold water in real life for the average car buyer. It should, but most car buyers don't do enough work on the financing and end up "upside down" no matter what they pay. Nor do they set aside the money saved for repairs. That fact leads to the following statement:
As one in the collector hobby for many, many years I remind every that the mantra for a good experience was and still is - "buy the best car you can afford".
Of course, everyone has a legitimate right to their opinion.
That is the way I buy cars too and I've never been burned or unhappy. Frankly, the theory that by paying less one is less likely to be "upside down" or better able to afford repairs doesn't hold water in real life for the average car buyer. It should, but most car buyers don't do enough work on the financing and end up "upside down" no matter what they pay. Nor do they set aside the money saved for repairs. That fact leads to the following statement:
As one in the collector hobby for many, many years I remind every that the mantra for a good experience was and still is - "buy the best car you can afford".
Of course, everyone has a legitimate right to their opinion.
11-17-2008, 06:34 PM
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VinceC THANK YOU That is exactly all the reasons why I chose this car.Being upside down in a finance situation wont be a problem as I bought it outright.Anything can happen to any car regardless of maintenance,mileage or condition.But I feel I put myself at an advantage.
That is exactly all the reasons why I chose this car.Being upside down in a finance situation wont be a problem as I bought it outright.Anything can happen to any car regardless of maintenance,mileage or condition.But I feel I put myself at an advantage.
11-17-2008, 06:55 PM
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A 9 year old
car with 80k miles is not high mile.That's 8 oil changes and a few diy maint. items.10K miles a year and in 3 years where will it be high mile?.The car itself will be priced at 6-7 grand tops.Low mile premiums and huge service records mean little if no collectors see the rarity of the model ,warranting the price.
If I purchase a C43 today for 10grand with all the options and in every bit as good shape with 75k miles on it, and drive it sparingly.It will be worth about the same as any other under 100k mile C43 .Low production numbers or not.They were vanity cars,produced in limited numbers to wow the press,turn the heads of the rich,and boost very very marginally Mercedes bottom line.
Enjoy it, drive it a lot.But don't expect that magic pay day down the road.It will never be a gull wing or 70 Hemi Cuda or a http://www.dealsonwheels.com/detail/...555842E20.aspx
The D grade rating on the investment grade and 2 star appreciation rating of the C43
D Grade: Cars that had the potential to be interesting but failed to be successful in the collector car marketplace, often due to design, engineering or styling flaws.
2 stars Somewhat overpriced today, or a car that is slightly out of favor.
May represent a good buying opportunity if you think the market’s
opinion of the car will change----
And these are for collector grade cars
The question is will the market opinion of the C43 change?Mercedes collectors are a pretty savvy bunch,if the market was changing or going to change,prices would be climbing.They have not climbed even on sub 10k mile examples.
btw as a collector car in the Mercedes small production run ,the only model with a lower rating than the C43. The C36 with an F and 1 star.
F means:Cars with few if any redeeming characteristics, that are consequently hopeless in nearly every way. 1 star means:These collector cars are only good buys if you can do
work yourself and love orphans
Add to that, some nimrod that puts a 55 engine into a C43 and you can deduce what the market is for that piece of work
If I purchase a C43 today for 10grand with all the options and in every bit as good shape with 75k miles on it, and drive it sparingly.It will be worth about the same as any other under 100k mile C43 .Low production numbers or not.They were vanity cars,produced in limited numbers to wow the press,turn the heads of the rich,and boost very very marginally Mercedes bottom line.
Enjoy it, drive it a lot.But don't expect that magic pay day down the road.It will never be a gull wing or 70 Hemi Cuda or a http://www.dealsonwheels.com/detail/...555842E20.aspx
The D grade rating on the investment grade and 2 star appreciation rating of the C43
D Grade: Cars that had the potential to be interesting but failed to be successful in the collector car marketplace, often due to design, engineering or styling flaws.
2 stars Somewhat overpriced today, or a car that is slightly out of favor.
May represent a good buying opportunity if you think the market’s
opinion of the car will change----
And these are for collector grade cars
The question is will the market opinion of the C43 change?Mercedes collectors are a pretty savvy bunch,if the market was changing or going to change,prices would be climbing.They have not climbed even on sub 10k mile examples.
btw as a collector car in the Mercedes small production run ,the only model with a lower rating than the C43. The C36 with an F and 1 star.
F means:Cars with few if any redeeming characteristics, that are consequently hopeless in nearly every way. 1 star means:These collector cars are only good buys if you can do
work yourself and love orphans
Add to that, some nimrod that puts a 55 engine into a C43 and you can deduce what the market is for that piece of work
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11-17-2008, 07:21 PM
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2 years ago,it was overpriced by thousands even with low miles.At 55k miles today it is a 12grand car tops.$5000 a year drop from the overpriced (what the buyer was willing to pay) is a lot of repairs avoided.A very astute purchase for a collector car buyer.You might want to try a different hobby if you advised this as a wise purchase.
Buying a 80-100k mile C43 well inspected and in great shape,poses no more expense in Maintaining a good example ,than does a low mile example.
That is once again if you think 80K miles is high mileage.
A well maintained Low mile Mercedes might run 3-5hundred a year to maintain properly,if you know the right end of a wrench.
$425 a month drop in value?What does he do park it at the dealer to justify the high price paid to avoid a rare breakdown.
The collector car mantra is "buy the best car you can afford,for the lowest price possible"
for a collector car buyer.You might want to try a different hobby if you advised this as a wise purchase.Buying a 80-100k mile C43 well inspected and in great shape,poses no more expense in Maintaining a good example ,than does a low mile example.
That is once again if you think 80K miles is high mileage.
A well maintained Low mile Mercedes might run 3-5hundred a year to maintain properly,if you know the right end of a wrench.
$425 a month drop in value?What does he do park it at the dealer to justify the high price paid to avoid a rare breakdown.
The collector car mantra is "buy the best car you can afford,for the lowest price possible"
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ohlord - You have a right to your opinion, but you are intolerant of others. Your snide comment about my approach the the hobby is patently offensive. Have a lousy life.
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car with 80k miles is not high mile.That's 8 oil changes and a few diy maint. items.10K miles a year and in 3 years where will it be high mile?.The car itself will be priced at 6-7 grand tops.Low mile premiums and huge service records mean little if no collectors see the rarity of the model ,warranting the price.
If I purchase a C43 today for 10grand with all the options and in every bit as good shape with 75k miles on it, and drive it sparingly.It will be worth about the same as any other under 100k mile C43 .Low production numbers or not.They were vanity cars,produced in limited numbers to wow the press,turn the heads of the rich,and boost very very marginally Mercedes bottom line.
Enjoy it, drive it a lot.But don't expect that magic pay day down the road.It will never be a gull wing or 70 Hemi Cuda or a http://www.dealsonwheels.com/detail/...555842E20.aspx
The D grade rating on the investment grade and 2 star appreciation rating of the C43
D Grade: Cars that had the potential to be interesting but failed to be successful in the collector car marketplace, often due to design, engineering or styling flaws.
2 stars Somewhat overpriced today, or a car that is slightly out of favor.
May represent a good buying opportunity if you think the market’s
opinion of the car will change----
And these are for collector grade cars
The question is will the market opinion of the C43 change?Mercedes collectors are a pretty savvy bunch,if the market was changing or going to change,prices would be climbing.They have not climbed even on sub 10k mile examples.
btw as a collector car in the Mercedes small production run ,the only model with a lower rating than the C43. The C36 with an F and 1 star.
F means:Cars with few if any redeeming characteristics, that are consequently hopeless in nearly every way. 1 star means:These collector cars are only good buys if you can do
work yourself and love orphans
Add to that, some nimrod that puts a 55 engine into a C43 and you can deduce what the market is for that piece of work
If I purchase a C43 today for 10grand with all the options and in every bit as good shape with 75k miles on it, and drive it sparingly.It will be worth about the same as any other under 100k mile C43 .Low production numbers or not.They were vanity cars,produced in limited numbers to wow the press,turn the heads of the rich,and boost very very marginally Mercedes bottom line.
Enjoy it, drive it a lot.But don't expect that magic pay day down the road.It will never be a gull wing or 70 Hemi Cuda or a http://www.dealsonwheels.com/detail/...555842E20.aspx
The D grade rating on the investment grade and 2 star appreciation rating of the C43
D Grade: Cars that had the potential to be interesting but failed to be successful in the collector car marketplace, often due to design, engineering or styling flaws.
2 stars Somewhat overpriced today, or a car that is slightly out of favor.
May represent a good buying opportunity if you think the market’s
opinion of the car will change----
And these are for collector grade cars
The question is will the market opinion of the C43 change?Mercedes collectors are a pretty savvy bunch,if the market was changing or going to change,prices would be climbing.They have not climbed even on sub 10k mile examples.
btw as a collector car in the Mercedes small production run ,the only model with a lower rating than the C43. The C36 with an F and 1 star.
F means:Cars with few if any redeeming characteristics, that are consequently hopeless in nearly every way. 1 star means:These collector cars are only good buys if you can do
work yourself and love orphans
Add to that, some nimrod that puts a 55 engine into a C43 and you can deduce what the market is for that piece of work
Some nimrod with a 55 motor in a C43. I know who that is.
11-17-2008, 09:48 PM
#47
MBWorld Fanatic!
Seems like at least two of
you share this opinion
"Here is a little scret - a car is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay - period."
Correction.
A car is purchased for a price the buyer is willing to pay.
A car is worth what the market dictates .
big difference between the two. Price and worth. Period.
At least two of you need to absorb that critical difference.
That is not being intolerant of another's opinion,I accept your right to your opinion. Facts dictate that the opinion happens to be wrong.Does over paying
on a car purchase hurt your feelings so much that you become intolerant of my opinion based on facts,that you need to resort to wishing me a lousy life?
Facts will dictate that a car buyer that buys cars based on your premise,made a lousy choice.That is not my fault.Nor is the bad decision to over pay the market.
Have a nice day
Has your son changed his transmission fluid and filter yet?It is due.Dealer charges about 300 bucks.
if he loses the tranny it is only another 3-4grand added into the equation of bad decisions.
"Here is a little scret - a car is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay - period."
Correction.
A car is purchased for a price the buyer is willing to pay.
A car is worth what the market dictates .
big difference between the two. Price and worth. Period.
At least two of you need to absorb that critical difference.
That is not being intolerant of another's opinion,I accept your right to your opinion. Facts dictate that the opinion happens to be wrong.Does over paying
on a car purchase hurt your feelings so much that you become intolerant of my opinion based on facts,that you need to resort to wishing me a lousy life?
Facts will dictate that a car buyer that buys cars based on your premise,made a lousy choice.That is not my fault.Nor is the bad decision to over pay the market.
Have a nice day
Has your son changed his transmission fluid and filter yet?It is due.Dealer charges about 300 bucks.
if he loses the tranny it is only another 3-4grand added into the equation of bad decisions.
Last edited by ohlord; 11-17-2008 at 10:14 PM.
11-17-2008, 09:51 PM
#48
Super Member
Thread Starter
C43...
I'M in montclair heights/clifton by mtc state college
11-17-2008, 09:58 PM
#50
Super Member
Thread Starter
oh lord
Everyone has an opinion of how much to pay,why,where etc.I CAN AFFORD BUYING A BETTER CAR OF THE SAME MODEL.For the sake of getting your moneys' worth 80k is not alot of miles for a 9 yr old car but it is alot of miles period...you get what you pay for
