MarcusF

Alusil has been around since the 1920's. The problem has always been that there are less expensive ways to make silicon aluminum parts.

Mixing old with the new, are any of you C43 guys running the late 430 throttle body? If so, care to comment? - specifically, how much vacuum are you seeing on the dyno @ 5800 RPM For those that don't know, in 2001 when Bosch ME 2.8 was introduced, throttle body size was increased. Those engines were equipped with the AMG 55 sized throttle bodies (before the flame wars begin, the AMG E55 TB itself is a different part, but the "size" of the non-AMG part was increased to match it in 2001). The larger TB was a closer fit to "the optimum" TB size for a 430.

v0ac

erm, C43 > C36, thanks.

C280 Sport

Congrats 300K is not far away.

appatula

No thanks,
(C43 < AMG && C36 == AMG)

Do you have any clue how different these two cars are when it comes to AMG purity? Obviuosly not...go read and stop posting childish conditional statements .

BenzMaster19

LMAO and what makes a c43 better then a c36??
They're both great in their own ways.

jayrasheed

Do u know what TB size an AMG36 1995 with ASR has? and is there any larger one that might fit from the other mercs of that time?

appatula

Wow, I'm suprised I have never heard of Alusil before. It that the generic name for the alloy? I cast mostly Silicon Bronze all the time and have never been exposed to an Aluminum-silicon alloy as of yet. How are the strength characteristics compared to a general cast aluminum, might switch my melting metals! Thanks Marcus

v0ac

jesus, i think you are the only 2 in the world thinkin' c36 is better then a c43.
oh, btw, my friend just got a c43 too after drivin' mine..why you think?

( this friend is marko )



now sell your c36 and get a c43.
will be the best mod you can do ROFL

appatula

You are an idiot. No one here even remotley said the C36 is better than a C43, rather the C36 is a much truer AMG than your C43 the other things metioned are facts that you can ignore if you choose to be ignorant, your move there. You do realize that you are using conditional statments that represent exactly what you are accusing "us two" of. I simply stated the C43 is a lesser AMG than the C36, again just research how much more modified the AMG M104 is compared to the M113 and then proceed to feel stupid. I said nothing about one car being better than the other. Reread your posts. You are a hypocrite. BTW I could sell my C36 and buy a C43, funny part is they are cheaper than the C36s around here, besides that I'm happy with my C36 but the additional ftlbs of the M113 would be nice. Stop being so confused and hypocrytical, I'm sympathetic for you though....

MarcusF

Alusil is a specific aluminum-silicon-copper-magnesium alloy. To make the MB sleeve surface, Mahle takes an Alusil sleeve, and gives it an acidic bath. The acid etches away the aluminum on the outer surface, leaving an extremely hard silicon surface. Many manufacturers are running Alusil blocks - Audi V10’s BMW V8’s and V12’s, Rolls Royce V12’s, Lamborghini V10’s, Porsche V8’s, Bentley W12’s, and I’m sure there are others. Based on what I've read, other aluminum silicon cylinder liners (or just the cylinder's wear surface) are made similarly - using some method to burn away the aluminum and leave the silicon exposed.

I’ve got a couple of press blurbs about it, and they claim Alusil is much stronger than aluminum. Kolbenschmidt Pierburg AG (the developer of Alusil in it’s current state) claims that Alusil is so strong that Audi main cap threads are cut directly into the block. When the bolt is overtightened, the bolt snaps but the threads are still good. Alusil is supposed to have twice the tensile strength of aluminum (the exact wording was "100% stronger", but I think that's the German to English translation for "twice").

BenzMaster19

I didn't say "C36 was better then C43"... Why you putting words in my mouth!???
I said they are both good in their own ways.
And yup I drove his, very different,, but remember I said "different" not better...
""now sell your c36 and get a c43."" Ummmmmmmm NOPE!! thanks anyways though.
I bought a C36 AMG because I want a C36 AMG, not because I want a C43.... lmaoooo

AMS Performance

I managed to turn this into a C36 Vs. C43 thread....

AMGC

Just if you happen to be referring to that cheap white C43 in NH, its a piece of ****. Nobody should waste their time with that heap. Thought of going back to the 202 AMG scene, but after driving one again, its just no fun.

jayrasheed

When i got my 1995 AMG C36 i had the option to buy a 1998 C43, now u need to know that both the 36 and 43 belong to on of the most talented and successful mechanics in the country, meaning to say they are both low mileage well kept examples of those 2 cars. After driving both several times on 2 different roads, and despite that the 43 has a few more options than the 36 (ESP, Auto Climate, Memory power seats, moon roof...) i still chose the 36 over it.

Why, well first there is the characteristic of the I-6 it feels like a V8 low down but screams all the way to 7000RPM. and the sound track it makes is really sweeet.
Secondly there is the way the car feels on the road, proper sports car, C43 is more refined, isolated.
Thirdly, C36 feels faster (prolly is not) but it feels more responsive.

In the end both are sweet rides.

MARCUS

Do u know what TB size an AMG36 1995 with ASR has? and is there any larger one that might fit from the other mercs of that time?

appatula

Nahh there were two MINT ones with 80+k on them one for 5500 and the other asking 6250. I drove them about 4 months back, the owners were desperate to rid of them because of A) Gas Mileage, both commuted 40min (one way) to work and B) Because they had three cars in the garage and another 3 parked in the driveway. Some of the ones up now are crap.

appatula

hahhaha to be honest you are not to blame, lack of brains on v0ac's part is.....yeah, thats right, I'm calling you out.....

MarcusF

Unfortunately, no.

I can tell you how to tell if you will see any benefit from a larger TB though. Run a vacuum line from the intake manifold to a vacuum gauge – one that your passenger can see while you drive. Do a few WOT passes in second or third gear and post the reading.

jayrasheed

will do Marcus, in a couple of days. Thnx

T-cles

right now I have a '95 c36 AMG with 214k miles on it and it doesn't appear to have had a transmission rebuild, it is a theft recovery with a salvage title and I don't think any owners since the recovery would have done anything like that to it. It shifts a little hard sometimes but it still works, since it's a '95 it has a transmission fluid dipstick, I will probably flush the transmission fluid and see if that helps with the jolty shifting.

tomlchu

I thought this thread was about mileage. Haha.

I have 188k on my 98 C43. I'm the 2nd owner and I'm extremely on top of all maintenance. Car runs great.

trinitony

Almost 89k, think it had 72k this time last year.

SparksterC43

99 w/ 216K miles, perfect compression, no problems, trans replaced by MB at 155K miles.

BTW, what about the AMG engine description for the C43 describing tuned intake plenum and lightweight connecting rods (hand built AMG) for those than can't read. These docs came with my car.

rondocap

I love the C36/C43..my first car was a 2000 C280, so I always wanted the AMG version! I have an S55 now with 144k miles already, and still running strong though!

anotherAMG

95 c36 with 58,xxx. Its a champion. Such a nice driver with a perfect interior and body. My grandfather was the original owner.