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My Honda Worshipping Buddy Has Threatened My C36!!!

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Old 02-02-2010, 12:23 AM
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There are countless street races where I live every Sunday in the summer. Raced a GSR swapped civic hatchie fully stripped and beat him when I was stock. And you guys trying to talk about "drifting" when you got autos?
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Originally Posted by appatula
Lets just chill out, I really don't have anything against you. You've got nice cars and are knowledgable...to a point I don't see why this has got to escalate. Can we call a truse out of respect for the rest of the forum?
You handled this like a true gentleman.

Back on topic:

IMHO, you'll be able to smoke this RX7 or Prelude stock for stock.

There's a guy in this forum who has advocated all along that you can have
all the power coming out of your engine but somehow you need to have the
tires planted well on the ground to receive all those power without swerving left and right. I think this means that you need to have the right suspension, great tire with proper pressure. I believe the C36 has a great suspension already.

Good luck. Let us know the result if you decided to race this guy. (on the track of course)
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Originally Posted by BenzMaster19
You make it sound like you have some sort of 5.5L Kompressor in that thing!!!??? Chill out bro, you aren't any faster. Sheeesh!
People have raced both 202 AMG's side by side,, and equal all the way it was. When a C36 does 5.5-5.6 0-60, and the 5.5L does it in 5.1-5.2!? I really don't see where your going with this....
I think its called stubbornness!
Heck you won't even be able to reach 20 mph with that thing KISSING the ground like that anyways....
Stock 4X4 stutus C36s look like ****. Get some ***** and slam that thing already.
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and as mentioned make sure you brake launch. C36s have trouble getting good tires spinning anyways so not much to worry about as the swerving side to side thing. And stock C36 suspension is nothing compared to eibachs or H&Rs with Blistein sports.
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Originally Posted by AMGC
There are countless street races where I live every Sunday in the summer. Raced a GSR swapped civic hatchie fully stripped and beat him when I was stock. And you guys trying to talk about "drifting" when you got autos?

Any form of racing.....name it. It all comes down to the driver. And im sure uve seen that video of a c43 drifting on youtube.

Went to laguna seca with my friend the other day with his E55 amg(stock airmatic suspension, stock engine)


Was keeping up with an audi a4 with rcomps, brake update, and prolly engine mods coz we couldn't catch up on the straights.

Uploading video too

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I was talking about C36s drifting which has no LSD. From experience I know they can not. I have seen the video of the Japanese guy drifting the C43. Ive also seen that picture on mymb.
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and obviously a 5.4 liter supercharged powered RWD car is gonna be able to step sideways with no problem.
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Originally Posted by AMGC
I was talking about C36s drifting which has no LSD. From experience I know they can not. I have seen the video of the Japanese guy drifting the C43. Ive also seen that picture on mymb.
Well may be true ur end of the world where the tarmac is really good that a 36 has trouble drifting or spinning.

Wish our roads were any good, even on a brand new set of Potenzas, i have trouble making use of my first as it spins away.

I will upload a vid soon so u can see what i mean, and hopefully the vid would also show the symptoms that happen to my car after some high speed drift.
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Originally Posted by AMGC
and as mentioned make sure you brake launch. C36s have trouble getting good tires spinning anyways so not much to worry about as the swerving side to side thing. And stock C36 suspension is nothing compared to eibachs or H&Rs with Blistein sports.
Greg, the eibachs in the garage will be in this summer as well as a cat/resonator delete. Going to bite the bullet and buy a spring compressor as I'm tired of risking my life with jacking down lower control arms . This way a normally 5 hour spring job takes 2 in my driveway. I'll also rent it out to you guys cheap as well.
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yeah I thought about biting that bullet as well. I just dont wanna scratch my fenders I was hoping another used one would pop up for sale on one of the forums. Littlereds gonna be sexy.
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Hehehe.....

I may be able to help you out if your talking about scratching fenders due to potential rubbing? I'm also in the process of fabricating a fender roller. A custom homebrew fender roller to be exact as I absolutley refuse to spend $500 for a tool that is so simple.

Picked up some heavy walled rectangular and square tubing. To mount the roller I'm going to use rotors. I chopped two of my old rotors from the 300E so all that was left was the 5 lug holes then I popped them on my bridgeport milling machine to smooth them out so they are just disks with 5 lugs, I'll tig them together for a solid very strong mount to the hub.

The rectangular arms will be welded and attached by a grade 8 steel pivot. This way various angles and lengths can be adjusted to compensate for different setups. I just need to figure out a pivoting screw setup that will extend the arm outwards and roll the fenders while angling. Good thing is, this will be an excuse to use the Herbert turret lathe hidden away in the back of my garage.

Also currently working on adapting my third brakelight to an ULTRA bright array of red leds, as my bulb holder is gone and I don't feel like going through the headache of sourcing one. Better in the long run as these leds will be blindingly hard not to notice, beneficial knowing I've almost been rear ended ten times in this past year from idiot ditz's texting in there (F)(U)(C)(K)n' SUV's.


Ohhh and btw, since your so close when I do get the compressor and finish my roller your welcome to borrow them anytime. Figure this summer when we do a meet or somthing I'll just hand them off to you so you can do your magic in a leisurely manner .
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thanks, I was meaning when the spring pops out haha. Id rather take it to the chest than have it scratch my fender. They always just drop out though, just gotta do it very slowly, but a spring compressor would make gettin them out a 10 minute job and would really appreciate bein able to use yours when you get one
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Only one way to find out this. Lets hit the track fellas!!!!!!!!!! Make the best of 5 runs. No NOS either. Or if you really want to find out. Swap cars for a race and see who is a better driver. Hope this helps.
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thanks, I was meaning when the spring pops out haha. Id rather take it to the chest than have it scratch my fender. They always just drop out though, just gotta do it very slowly, but a spring compressor would make gettin them out a 10 minute job and would really appreciate bein able to use yours when you get one
Ahhh I see I see. On my W124 I always just jacked the car up real high then put a jack under the arm. Unbolted the outer lower control arm bolt that seperates it from the ball joint, loosened the inner eccentric bolts and lowered the jack very very slowly and it never really flew out, I actually had to wiggle it out at the end, getting it back in was a pain though. The W124 upper coil cups keep it from ever popping out upwards, if it did fly out it would be sideways or out the bottom. How are the W202 suspensions set up compared to the W124? But yeah man It took me 8 hours to pull my intrax springs out of my 300E and put the stockers back in on all four corners, keep in mind this was done in my driveway! With a spring compressor the same job would have taken me no more than 2 hours taking my time. Tool pays for itself the first time you use it. Like I said before it's your's whenever you need it over the summer after I put my eibachs in.
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Originally Posted by v0ac
We see what kind of guy you are racing honda cars.
I'll take you for a 0-60 with your '' PURE '' amg car



Don't pick on the c36! Want to run my C63?
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Don't pick on the c36! Want to run my C63?
Knowing him, he'll still INSIST he will win! LMAO
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Haha nice one glad we ALL have a sense of humor. In the end we all have to admit there is or will be someone who is faster than you.....even you v0ac haha, I kid, I kid.

Now I'm having difficulties setting up this drag.....talk is sooooo cheap!
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Originally Posted by AMGC
I was talking about C36s drifting which has no LSD. From experience I know they can not. I have seen the video of the Japanese guy drifting the C43. Ive also seen that picture on mymb.
Originally Posted by AMGC
and obviously a 5.4 liter supercharged powered RWD car is gonna be able to step sideways with no problem.

C43s don't have LSD either


So whats the problem here, lack of LSD or manual tranny???


Watch the bible video with the drift king. He explains that there is no car that's not driftable
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Originally Posted by appatula
Haha nice one glad we ALL have a sense of humor. In the end we all have to admit there is or will be someone who is faster than you.....even you v0ac haha, I kid, I kid.

Now I'm having difficulties setting up this drag.....talk is sooooo cheap!
Hehe, I know how that goes man...
You should smoke him though, I beat the crap out of a brand new Civic Si the other day from a dig
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Haha that guy probably went home, saw the C36's numbers on the internet and said "OH ****" LMAO...
Now the real problem is trying to make him race you.
Like Keith Richards always said "Talk IS Cheap".
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Originally Posted by PJmak
C43s don't have LSD either


So whats the problem here, lack of LSD or manual tranny???


Watch the bible video with the drift king. He explains that there is no car that's not driftable
202 owners are so defensive haha
yeah a professional drifter can... but a C36 doesnt have the power for an ordinary person to drift. Also notice the guys is going like 50. I just find cars with no LSD or manny tranny any fun. I loved my C36, but it was a looker and just not as fun. My first stock 86 16V was more of a thrill than the C36, even being much slower. C36 engines in 201s are insane (friend took my engine and matched it with my getrag in his 201 with an old school amg kit) and thats a fun true drivers AMG. Thus the MA take over of the 201 scene with a 3.6 powered 201 and my 2 boosted Cosworths. Ill be auto-Xing them this summer too so ill have some cute little sideways pictures to post
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Originally Posted by AMGC
202 owners are so defensive haha
yeah a professional drifter can... but a C36 doesnt have the power for an ordinary person to drift. Also notice the guys is going like 50. I just find cars with no LSD or manny tranny any fun. I loved my C36, but it was a looker and just not as fun. My first stock 86 16V was more of a thrill than the C36, even being much slower. C36 engines in 201s are insane (friend took my engine and matched it with my getrag in his 201 with an old school amg kit) and thats a fun true drivers AMG. Thus the MA take over of the 201 scene with a 3.6 powered 201 and my 2 boosted Cosworths. Ill be auto-Xing them this summer too so ill have some cute little sideways pictures to post


Im not defensive, I wasnt defending my car, I was proving you wrong when u said that its not possible to drift a c36 coz it had an automatic tranny
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Originally Posted by AMGC
202 owners are so defensive haha
yeah a professional drifter can... but a C36 doesnt have the power for an ordinary person to drift. Also notice the guys is going like 50. I just find cars with no LSD or manny tranny any fun. I loved my C36, but it was a looker and just not as fun. My first stock 86 16V was more of a thrill than the C36, even being much slower. C36 engines in 201s are insane (friend took my engine and matched it with my getrag in his 201 with an old school amg kit) and thats a fun true drivers AMG. Thus the MA take over of the 201 scene with a 3.6 powered 201 and my 2 boosted Cosworths. Ill be auto-Xing them this summer too so ill have some cute little sideways pictures to post
Well, we all know that the W201 16s have always been gr8 drives, i even said it that i only got the C36AMG cause out of all the mercs it is the closest to driving a 201 16.

unfortunately its very hard these days to get hold of a clean one.



As for drifting well even on a high grip road, just perfect ur late braking so that the front gets properly loaded on corner entry, and any car will drift (almost any car) but u cant say that 280hp and almost 290LBft (220 of which are on 1500RPM) are not enough to drift a car. I agree that they might not be enough to power slide out of a corner when the rear end is properly loaded, but that’s not drifting.

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Sorry if that sounded like im lecturing, didnt mean it that way
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somewhat-stock prelude vs a 36? please. a c280 could probably run that down.

fully allballs-out prelude? you're in trouble lol
I don't know what the average quarter mile e.t is for a C36 but I'm guessing for the power/weight ratio maybe mid to low 14's (quarter miles aren't really our thing though...). A h22a prelude with a 5speed, i/h/e and a good driver can get mid 14's and sometimes low 14's. I've seen an n/a 4th gen prelude vtec with just regular bolt ons doing high 13's. You'll most definitely get him from the dig as prelude's strongest gear is about 3rd when their high revving motors come into play...but if he's pretty much stock with maybe an exhaust or intake, pretty much nothing to worry about...the only hondas I worry about now are ones running huge turbos or stripped out hatches with LS/VTEC motors...

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C36 engines in 201s are insane (friend took my engine and matched it with my getrag in his 201 with an old school amg kit) and thats a fun true drivers AMG. Thus the MA take over of the 201 scene with a 3.6 powered 201 and my 2 boosted Cosworths.
Now that is one car Id love to see!


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