KJI3jflarryfe93

Dudes I'm in a dilema here!
I found a German webshop that sells lowering springs for our AMG cars!

Vogtland lowers 35 mm at a price for 166 euros/4 stück!
H&R lowers 25 mm at a price for 250 euros/4 stück!

Both deals seems to be cheap!

But are Vogtlands any good?
Is this is a high quality tuning brand for suspension parts?

Best deal is buying Vogtlands but I have never heard of this brand!
H&R is wellknown around the world!

So any positive feedback for the cheaper Vogtland brand is highly wanted!

johnhef

I know peachparts forum did a group buy from vogtland for the W123 series not that long ago but thats about it.

kinghais

Eibach

KJI3jflarryfe93

If I decide to buy one of these lowering springs H&R or Vogtland,
I will also later on buy Koni yellow adjustable shox or stick with OEM Billies/AMG shox!
Depends on where I can get the best deal for shox!
Are these shox going to match in Synergi with either Koni's or Vogtland?

Does both shox brands have the same size in height?

My original set up on my European C43 AMG is a 1 and a half or 2 finger gap between the top tire and wheelarches!
My car can be slammed just a tad more!

So is Vogtland a known brand in the US?
They are cheaper but lowers more!

AMG_C36

i have been considering Vogtland springs my C36.....but haven't heard too much about them. also been thinking about getting a set of Eibach springs since H&R doesn't make a direct application for the 36 (although i have heard that the C36 and the C280 sport share the same OEM spring, so the H&R application for the 280 sport "should fit my C36......"should")

keep us posted as to which brand you go with and how you like them

KJI3jflarryfe93

hey buddy, thanks for your reply!
living in Europe ain't cheap if you own a Merc.
that speaks for tuning parts as well!
I got quoted today for 250 euros/ H&R 4 springs, and 35 euro for shipping!
285 euros is cheap they cost more to buy in Sweden!
Therefore either Vogtlands for 166 euros or H&R for 250 euros?

I want the best springs for a good deal!

AMG_C36

i have always used H&R springs to lower my vehicles and have been fully pleased with results. thats why i was so dissapointed to learn that H&R doesn't make a direct fitment for a 97 C36. they have applications for the 95s and 96s, but not for the 97s......if you do end up with the Vogtlands, i would be interested in how they perform

KJI3jflarryfe93

Hello my cool AMG brotha!
I think I will go with H&R because they are more of a known brand!
thanx

KJI3jflarryfe93

I just red on a swedish website about H&R, it states that if a car is fitted with a factory sports suspension, then the aftermarket lowering suspension will not be as much as it indicates!

H&R says 25 mm lower!
This will not show much on our cars when they are already fitted with factory sports suspension!
Will a H&R lowering springkit be a bad purchase?
I wanna reduce the 2 finga gap between the wheelarch and ontop tire!

Am I going to get a more slammed look with Vogtland springs instead?
They are much cheaper and they lower the car much more than H&R's springs!

I'm gettin' confused here!

AMG_C36

i believe that H&R makes a "super sport" application for the c43 that drops the car more than the regular h&R sport springs. i think the approximate drop is about 2 inches all the way around.....you may want to give those a try

KJI3jflarryfe93

The partsnumber I got for H&R's is 29377-1
Lowers 25 mm and that is not 2 inches!
1 inch is 2,5cm.

I multiplie 2 inch x 2,5cm=5 inch

H&R lowers 25mm=2,5cm
Vogtland lowers 40mm=4cm

So is there another version for H&R's lowering springs that lowers the car 2 inches?

Thanks

CatButt

Yes there is a Super Sport Spring from H&R that drops the car 2 in (pn 52727-77). I am gona give those a try...I might regret it with my 19s...I was gona switch to 18s, so this might force me to do so.

AMG_C36

here are the regular H&R sport springs:
http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/s...9.2&perfCode=P

and here are the "super sport" springs:
http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/s....77&perfCode=S

KJI3jflarryfe93

hey bud!
gotta love those normally slammed c43's!

European C43's have almost a 2 finger gap between on top tire and wheelarch edge at the rear!
Front is lower about 1 finger and a half gap!

How is it with your Michael Jordan cars?
They are really high above the ground!
Is it more than a 2 finger gap?

Maybe buying Vogtlands is a better buy since they drop the car more and they are cheaper to buy.
Thanks

LawRens

Vogtlands are a separate company that have their springs made by Eibach (subcontracted). They are sturdy, will not sag or crack.

BUT! I do not know the handling and ride quality, as i have never installed them on my 202 ( i was about to actually, before i got the c43). The one who sold me my vogtlands said ride quality was between Eibachs and H&R's. Hope this helps.

CatButt

I am not a fan of "cheaper is better"...I believe in "better is better". I have tried to NO avail to contact Vogtland, via email and phone calls. I will not buy from a company if I cannot talk to someone when I have questions. I actually talked to John and H&R...he drive a C43 with the Super Sport springs on 18s and he loves it. No rubbing, no fuss...I'm sold.

AMG_C36

i fully agree with you on that. i have also talked to someone at H&R directly and we spent about 20-30 minutes on the phone trying to figure out why there are applications for 95 and 96 C36, and not my beloved 97 C36 . i really would like to use H&R springs on my car, i am just not sold on using the c280 sport application on my C36

KJI3jflarryfe93

ello again dudes!

so the 1 inch drop from the regular H&R's might be ok?
I don't want any rubbing issues!
If it rubs then it burns n itches like hell
right?
Needs Durex lube!
No I'm just kiddin'

The price offerd for these HR's is 250 euro's in US dollar that's 387 US dollars including shipping!
I have seen these HR's on Ebay for 222 US dollars that's cheap!
But shipping them to Sweden will cost a few hundred bux!

So my 285 euros including shipping i the cheapest price I've found on internet in Europe!
I can't find a better deal!
In Sweden they cost about 4000 Skr. conversion to US $$ is 539 dollars!
Price is sick in Sweden!
I get 2 sets of HR's if I buy them on ebay and still have money in my pocket!
But shipping is *****!

jayrasheed

guys i bet u they fit just right. Even C43 springs will just fit right prolly rates of the 43 are diff than those of the36 since the 43 is lighter upfront.
bTW euro C280 sport spring are lower and stiffer than what u get in the USA.

Again i say that u can use the H&R made for The C36 on the 97 u have.
Nothing changed on the W202 during its 7 yrs of production.
97 C36s are rare and prolly thats y its not listed under any of H&R's site

AMG_C36

so there isn't anything different with the suspension setup of 95s and 96s VS the 97? if so, then i am just going to go with the H&R application for the 95/96 C36 as i have always been impressed with H&R quality and performance and service

KJI3jflarryfe93

guys when you slam your cars what size # thickness do you use on rubber spring pads?
My dealer told me there are only 2 # sizes of thicknesses in europe?

How many thick spring pad rubbers are there in the US for a C43?

I wanna have a good stance on my car when I look at it!
Original set up is always a tad higher at the rear than front!
So making the car look more level without any rubbing issues would be great!

I use 18 inch Brabus fronts 225/ rears 255!
With this set up I have no rubbing issues!
Thanks

jayrasheed

why would it be different, take it from the W124 cars the served from 84 till 96 and springs for all the mods were the same bar the 4matics.
So it is safe to say that no major change btween a 96amg and a 97 to stop u from using them

svt ricco

i have the h&r super sport springs and it is true that it sags over time. when i first installed it, i never rubbed, after a few months, i noticed a little rubbing on the front. i might try vogtland springs too. they even have springs for the audio freaks. if you wanna see the drop, check out my gallery at club202.

KJI3jflarryfe93

Does H&R company that make these lowering springs use soft steel when manufactoring them?
Aren't they hardened enough in the manufactoring process?
A spring should not sag over time during normal conditions of driving!
Maybe when it's 20 years old of wear and tear issues then it might sag, not within a few years!
That must mean these HR's are made of low quality steel?

Is it really Eibach that manufactures Vogtland springs?
Any sag issues with the Vogt's?

Saaboteur

I have the Vogtlands, but they are still currently sitting in a box on a shelf in the garage! I will probably put them into the car in the spring, when I have my S2000 on the road. Still undecided on that though - my fiancee is going to drive the car this summer, so it may be safer to just let it be for now.

I read a lot of the threads on springs and the comments on the Vogtlands were quite positive. They were a good deal too, instant $25 savings on their website for Canadian buyers, but this was North American Vogtland's website.