Buying C32 AMG calipers for my C43.
08-05-2010, 02:53 PM
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12' W204 C63 AMG coupe "T-Rex", 12' W451 Smart Fortwo Pulse (99' W202 C43 AMG sold)
Well they look like parts recovered from a garbage pit.
08-05-2010, 04:34 PM
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08-06-2010, 04:18 PM
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i guess this kit will fit without any modifications.
I spoke to a friend of mine whom works with Benzito cars.
He said certain calipers are matched to certain rotors!
I guess that means if I buy those 4 pot AMG calipers then I need those matching 345 mm rotors.
Dude also told me:
The thread nipple on calipers for all the brake hoses are all in the same size from cheapest crap Benz to the most luxurious Benzito!
Thread endfittings on brakehoses are all the same on any model Benz!
AMG 6 -8 pot calipers fits our cars with possibly a larger rim 19 inch.
They are less electronic than SBC.
Only electronic part on these is the actuator for pumping the brakefluids to the calipers.
This is what I was told
I spoke to a friend of mine whom works with Benzito cars.
He said certain calipers are matched to certain rotors!
I guess that means if I buy those 4 pot AMG calipers then I need those matching 345 mm rotors.
Dude also told me:
The thread nipple on calipers for all the brake hoses are all in the same size from cheapest crap Benz to the most luxurious Benzito!
Thread endfittings on brakehoses are all the same on any model Benz!
AMG 6 -8 pot calipers fits our cars with possibly a larger rim 19 inch.
They are less electronic than SBC.
Only electronic part on these is the actuator for pumping the brakefluids to the calipers.
This is what I was told
08-09-2010, 02:51 PM
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I am also interested by this possible change, but I think the disc on a C32 are 303mm compared to our 334mm, so much smaller. Prefer keeping the 334 or bigger than going smaller. I am perhaps wrong so will go and check around....
Some stuff here by 'Money-One' but slightly bigger stuff than the C32 : https://mbworld.org/forums/c36-amg-c...small-car.html
Some stuff here by 'Money-One' but slightly bigger stuff than the C32 : https://mbworld.org/forums/c36-amg-c...small-car.html
He cut the front swaybar brackets, and refitted them further in on the front axle?
Or did he buy new swaybar brackets and welded them on?
Lose swaybar brackets are they possible to buy at the stealership?
This is a surgery I don't wanna do to my car, cutting and welding parts!
To much work I guess?
Would a 4 piston caliper setup work if I used them on both front/rear axles?
08-09-2010, 04:09 PM
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IMO no way to get six piston calipers on a W202 without major surgery. You have received many confirmations that the 4 piston C32 calipers and rotors are a straight bolt on operation. Soooo, get to it and STOP asking yourself the same questions. Going that way you will never get it done. Having thought about all this brake question, apart from a question of looks, I will probably stick to the C43 original hardware, because if AMG choose that solution it should be sufficient for me, not unless you are thinking of tracking the car, but in that case that would be a completely different question and solution to be chosen. Get some braided hoses (which you already have I believe), get some good quality sports pads and high temperature brake fluid. Do a full brake fluid flush and purge the system 
If the C43 stops better than certain Ferraris, what else do you want 
If the C43 stops better than certain Ferraris, what else do you want
08-09-2010, 04:41 PM
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IMO no way to get six piston calipers on a W202 without major surgery. You have received many confirmations that the 4 piston C32 calipers and rotors are a straight bolt on operation. Soooo, get to it and STOP asking yourself the same questions. Going that way you will never get it done. Having thought about all this brake question, apart from a question of looks, I will probably stick to the C43 original hardware, because if AMG choose that solution it should be sufficient for me, not unless you are thinking of tracking the car, but in that case that would be a completely different question and solution to be chosen. Get some braided hoses (which you already have I believe), get some good quality sports pads and high temperature brake fluid. Do a full brake fluid flush and purge the system If the C43 stops better than certain Ferraris, what else do you want
If the C43 stops better than certain Ferraris, what else do you want
08-09-2010, 05:01 PM
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IMO no way to get six piston calipers on a W202 without major surgery. You have received many confirmations that the 4 piston C32 calipers and rotors are a straight bolt on operation. Soooo, get to it and STOP asking yourself the same questions. Going that way you will never get it done. Having thought about all this brake question, apart from a question of looks, I will probably stick to the C43 original hardware, because if AMG choose that solution it should be sufficient for me, not unless you are thinking of tracking the car, but in that case that would be a completely different question and solution to be chosen. Get some braided hoses (which you already have I believe), get some good quality sports pads and high temperature brake fluid. Do a full brake fluid flush and purge the system If the C43 stops better than certain Ferraris, what else do you want
If the C43 stops better than certain Ferraris, what else do you want I have the chance of getting either 4 or 6 pot now!!!!
I found a scrapyard selling those 6 pots for cheap money used but in great condition!
But these needs a major modification!
The 4 pots are possible to get in like new condition!
You see my dilemma here?
6 pots are seXXXier, aren't they!
Both 4 or 6 pots needs new rotors and pads so this is necessary o get.
08-09-2010, 05:10 PM
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Your answer to the question lies in your own posts! 
If you want the 6 piston calipers, as money-one has shown, you have to do the 'cutting and pasting' modifications he set out. If you don't want to do those mods, then you can't have the 6-piston calipers. Keep in mind your wheel design too - you may need spacers or a different set of wheels to ensure the caliper clears the wheel spoke. That comes with its own set of headaches, ie. spacers = need for longer lug bolts, and if you lower the car any more, then you are potentially getting into fender clearance issues. The only upside on the Benz is that it actually uses lug bolts, as opposed to having studs on the hubs. Changing to longer studs is much more difficult than merely using longer lug bolts.
In my experience, most brakes will stop your car just fine, if comparing by "one big stop", ie. you stomp on them for an emergency type stop because of traffic or an incident in front of you. The difference with 4-piston (or 6-piston or whatever) calipers and the accompanying larger rotors is apparent in pedal feel, and even then, only when repeatedly stomping hard on the brakes. And really, unless you are a nutter, the only place to do that is on a racetrack, or a really, really empty piece of road that you know well. With the upgraded brakes, you will get the same, solid feel lap after lap after lap.
That said...of course, a 6-piston caliper looks better than a 4-piston caliper.
If you're comparing by looks only, it's a no brainer there.
If you want the 6 piston calipers, as money-one has shown, you have to do the 'cutting and pasting' modifications he set out. If you don't want to do those mods, then you can't have the 6-piston calipers. Keep in mind your wheel design too - you may need spacers or a different set of wheels to ensure the caliper clears the wheel spoke. That comes with its own set of headaches, ie. spacers = need for longer lug bolts, and if you lower the car any more, then you are potentially getting into fender clearance issues. The only upside on the Benz is that it actually uses lug bolts, as opposed to having studs on the hubs. Changing to longer studs is much more difficult than merely using longer lug bolts.
In my experience, most brakes will stop your car just fine, if comparing by "one big stop", ie. you stomp on them for an emergency type stop because of traffic or an incident in front of you. The difference with 4-piston (or 6-piston or whatever) calipers and the accompanying larger rotors is apparent in pedal feel, and even then, only when repeatedly stomping hard on the brakes. And really, unless you are a nutter, the only place to do that is on a racetrack, or a really, really empty piece of road that you know well. With the upgraded brakes, you will get the same, solid feel lap after lap after lap.
That said...of course, a 6-piston caliper looks better than a 4-piston caliper.
If you're comparing by looks only, it's a no brainer there.
08-10-2010, 03:39 AM
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I'll make one last comment on this brake thread
Have you thought about the consequences of unsprung weight on your suspension and handling?
I would imagine that 6 pot calipers and corresponding rotors, not even considering bigger wheels to clear the calipers will have negative consequences on the car's handling, due to extra weight on the front corners. 4 pots and corresponding rotors would be most likely lighter.
In comparison, the 334mm C43 rotors are lighter than the 343mm C32 ones. For example, we are talking of 22.15lbs compared to 26.72lbs. That's a 4.57lbs difference per side
Factor in the other heavier components and your beautiful C43 may start handling like a pig. I can feel the difference just with a wheel type change. I have another genuine 17" MB wheel on the C43 now. Those are a bit heavier than the 17" Monos despite that the Monos are by far not the lightest of wheels around. I don't even want to start talking about using 18" wheels and the extra weight. I have noticed that the car is not as nimble in the turns as before 
so a change back to the monos will be in the books when I have to buy new rear tyres.
Have you thought about the consequences of unsprung weight on your suspension and handling?
I would imagine that 6 pot calipers and corresponding rotors, not even considering bigger wheels to clear the calipers will have negative consequences on the car's handling, due to extra weight on the front corners. 4 pots and corresponding rotors would be most likely lighter.In comparison, the 334mm C43 rotors are lighter than the 343mm C32 ones. For example, we are talking of 22.15lbs compared to 26.72lbs. That's a 4.57lbs difference per side
Factor in the other heavier components and your beautiful C43 may start handling like a pig. I can feel the difference just with a wheel type change. I have another genuine 17" MB wheel on the C43 now. Those are a bit heavier than the 17" Monos despite that the Monos are by far not the lightest of wheels around. I don't even want to start talking about using 18" wheels and the extra weight. I have noticed that the car is not as nimble in the turns as before so a change back to the monos will be in the books when I have to buy new rear tyres.
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08-10-2010, 04:44 AM
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I have the chance to get brand spanking new c32 calipers foe a steal!
They gonna cost me about $385 each.
Is this a cheap price or what?
Queestion is:
Will it be an unproblematic swap from my original C43 calipers to C32 calipers and then bolted on my stock 334mm rotors?
Can I use the stock c43 caliper bolts or do I need to get the c32 bolts when putting on the new calipers?
Since I bought my Goodridge SS brakelines and had them installed, does c32 use the same nozzle and thread size as on the c43's brakehose connectors?
The price for these calipers is good for being a swedish sucker rip off, everything is very expensive in Sweden when it comes to AMG!
So am I going to expect any difficulties when bolting the new calipers on my stock rotors?
They gonna cost me about $385 each.
Is this a cheap price or what?
Queestion is:
Will it be an unproblematic swap from my original C43 calipers to C32 calipers and then bolted on my stock 334mm rotors?
Can I use the stock c43 caliper bolts or do I need to get the c32 bolts when putting on the new calipers?
Since I bought my Goodridge SS brakelines and had them installed, does c32 use the same nozzle and thread size as on the c43's brakehose connectors?
The price for these calipers is good for being a swedish sucker rip off, everything is very expensive in Sweden when it comes to AMG!
So am I going to expect any difficulties when bolting the new calipers on my stock rotors?
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08-10-2010, 04:53 AM
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IMO no way to get six piston calipers on a W202 without major surgery. You have received many confirmations that the 4 piston C32 calipers and rotors are a straight bolt on operation. Soooo, get to it and STOP asking yourself the same questions. Going that way you will never get it done. Having thought about all this brake question, apart from a question of looks, I will probably stick to the C43 original hardware, because if AMG choose that solution it should be sufficient for me, not unless you are thinking of tracking the car, but in that case that would be a completely different question and solution to be chosen. Get some braided hoses (which you already have I believe), get some good quality sports pads and high temperature brake fluid. Do a full brake fluid flush and purge the system If the C43 stops better than certain Ferraris, what else do you want
If the C43 stops better than certain Ferraris, what else do you want and just FYI the 030 6-piston plus it's two piece rotor is lighter in weight vs the stock C32/55 4-piston plus the rotors.
08-10-2010, 06:35 AM
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The SLK 030 performance package front 6-piston (same as the w209 CLK63) are direct bolt on for the W203. if the C32/55 brakes are direct bolt on for the 202 you can also bolt the 6-piston onto the 202.
and just FYI the 030 6-piston plus it's two piece rotor is lighter in weight vs the stock C32/55 4-piston plus the rotors.
and just FYI the 030 6-piston plus it's two piece rotor is lighter in weight vs the stock C32/55 4-piston plus the rotors.
SLK 030 performance package is it only calipers or complete with rotors?
Do you know the parts numbers?
08-10-2010, 11:06 AM
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I'll make one last comment on this brake thread
Have you thought about the consequences of unsprung weight on your suspension and handling? I would imagine that 6 pot calipers and corresponding rotors, not even considering bigger wheels to clear the calipers will have negative consequences on the car's handling, due to extra weight on the front corners. 4 pots and corresponding rotors would be most likely lighter.
Have you thought about the consequences of unsprung weight on your suspension and handling?
I would imagine that 6 pot calipers and corresponding rotors, not even considering bigger wheels to clear the calipers will have negative consequences on the car's handling, due to extra weight on the front corners. 4 pots and corresponding rotors would be most likely lighter.Do we have any data on the weight of the AMG 4-piston vs. the 6-piston vs. the stock C43 caliper? Comparing the C32/55 setup to the C43 setup as a whole, including calipers and rotors, they may be roughly equal in weight if the stock C43 caliper is not constructed of lightweight alloy.
On my old Saab, I went from a 280mm disc with standard calipers to a 335mm disc and 4 piston Wilwood calipers. The two piece discs weighed more than the stock, but the Willwoods were lighter by about half. In the end, the whole setup weighed about the same.
08-10-2010, 12:53 PM
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The SLK 030 performance package front 6-piston (same as the w209 CLK63) are direct bolt on for the W203. if the C32/55 brakes are direct bolt on for the 202 you can also bolt the 6-piston onto the 202.
and just FYI the 030 6-piston plus it's two piece rotor is lighter in weight vs the stock C32/55 4-piston plus the rotors.
and just FYI the 030 6-piston plus it's two piece rotor is lighter in weight vs the stock C32/55 4-piston plus the rotors.
08-13-2010, 08:42 AM
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Anyone familiar with the long corrugated wire in the box highlighted with red color
Is it the ABS wireloom?
This corrugated wire is supposed to be on the C32?
I asked the swedish owner from the above linked pictures and he told me that this corrugated wire is for the ABS and the rotors if I understood him correct?
Does c43 use the same corrugated wire, maybe I can use my stock wires to plug them to the new calipers and rotors?
My stuff arrived today at the post office, I will post some pics later.
Is it the ABS wireloom?
This corrugated wire is supposed to be on the C32?
I asked the swedish owner from the above linked pictures and he told me that this corrugated wire is for the ABS and the rotors if I understood him correct?
Does c43 use the same corrugated wire, maybe I can use my stock wires to plug them to the new calipers and rotors?
My stuff arrived today at the post office, I will post some pics later.
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08-16-2010, 03:52 AM
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Anyone familiar with the long corrugated wire in the box highlighted with red color
Is it the ABS wireloom?
This corrugated wire is supposed to be on the C32?
I asked the swedish owner from the above linked pictures and he told me that this corrugated wire is for the ABS and the rotors if I understood him correct?
Does c43 use the same corrugated wire, maybe I can use my stock wires to plug them to the new calipers and rotors?
Is it the ABS wireloom?
This corrugated wire is supposed to be on the C32?
I asked the swedish owner from the above linked pictures and he told me that this corrugated wire is for the ABS and the rotors if I understood him correct?
Does c43 use the same corrugated wire, maybe I can use my stock wires to plug them to the new calipers and rotors?
08-16-2010, 05:12 AM
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the wire from the c32 maybe it's a newer design? (Swede's C43 station wagon link)
when we talk about brakepad wear sensors this is how it looks on the c32 caliper.
does this part have the same design from the c43 caliper or do I have to buy a new one?
I have marked the black plastic part with red colored arrows.
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08-16-2010, 05:51 AM
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Total mystery and when looking again at the first picture and the calipers in the box, it looks like there is only one wire 
08-16-2010, 06:11 AM
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I agree, the brake lines can be adapted.
I also got confirmation from a member here who did the conversion that the C32 calipers and rotors are a straight bolt on change after reversing for trailing to leading. Recommended to get longer fixing bolts for the calipers. Don't know for 18' clearance though.
I also got confirmation from a member here who did the conversion that the C32 calipers and rotors are a straight bolt on change after reversing for trailing to leading. Recommended to get longer fixing bolts for the calipers. Don't know for 18' clearance though.
08-16-2010, 06:44 AM
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I don't know if they are the same on the C43 calipers?
Here's my picture
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08-16-2010, 07:20 AM
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I got the answer.
Dude said he only used his old stuff from the c43 calipers and put them on the new c32 calipers.
That's what he said but he wasn't 100% sure because he left the parts to a mechanic who put them on his car.
Dude said he only used his old stuff from the c43 calipers and put them on the new c32 calipers.
That's what he said but he wasn't 100% sure because he left the parts to a mechanic who put them on his car.
08-16-2010, 07:57 AM
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Quick question: Are the pistons the same diameter??
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