6spd

Man for that kind of money, you can buy a 55 kompressor motor and the parts needed for it to work properly.

austinholloman

To get a M113 55k running WELL in our cars, the bill comes in the $20k range and nothing on that list is close to that price. Everything on this list is also a direct bold(Maybe not the cams) up to an M113 5.4na if you decide to do that down the line, so buy it all slowly and you will have an even MORE amazing C55 when you get around to building it and in the mean time you will have an AMAZING C43!!!

6spd

Man, I guess i'm a bit skeptical of 20k for that engine swap. Especially since you can buy a salvaged car for that price.

503C43 ////AMG

I'm not so sure about the $20k swap as well. It might cost $20k if you had a shop do EVERYTHING but I bet you could do the swap for $10k or less (including engine) if you were to do it yourself. I know we have a member on here who has a 55K swap, maybe he can chime in here....

KJI3jflarryfe93

kleemann headers do they give any extra HP or are they just for looks if there are no other mods done to the C43?
Do they fit bolt on to AMG factory exhaust endpipes where the front o2 sensors are mounted?

These are made of stainless steel?
Anyone bought these headers?
The tig weldings are they superbly welded, not prone to crack?

I read someone bought AMS stuff IIRC and those headers cracked on the weldings, which means trouble I assume?

austinholloman

55K swap requires much more than just the engine. Also need a better tranny than the stock C43 tranny so add that in too. Very few people have the skills to put a 55K motor in a C43 so you would need help and the stock ecu won't work at all, you also have to fashion so type of control unit so the charger doesn't run all the time and burn up. You also have to increase the stock engine cooling. Trust me, even on your own its going to be close to 20k and with a shops help and you will need help its more like 25k, thus why there a so few w202 C55k around.

austinholloman

IIRC you have to move the 02 Sensors down on the exhaust to not through a light. Kleemann states they add between 15-20hp give or take based on your dyno or temp when tested.

6spd

Yea, I hear you that's a lots of loose ends.....But that being said everything bolts up. In the event you were to go this route having a whole donor car at your disposal would be a must. You may have to transfer half the car but it would work. It's just more expensive for the pioneering aspect of these hybrid swaps, but I'd bet it could be done for under 20k. Not saying it would be easy or cheap. But I'd take my chances rather then pay 10k for a supercharger, thats just my opinion. I do respect what your saying though. If I ever get the opportunity to do such an expensive swap not sure if i would anyway, but If anyone has the cash sitting around here's a perfect specimen http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Merce...fCarsQ5fTrucks

austinholloman

Or drop in the 5.4l na motor that is a direct swap with NO issues and supercharge that (After market) and get all the power and none of the issues. The problem isnt having a donor car but that fact that your donor has a lot more space under the hood to start with, so most of the parts wont fit. You have to rig a bunch of odds and end to even get it running.

Enjoy, its a lot of reading but its sounds like it could be 20k ez. https://mbworld.org/forums/c36-amg-c...-you-cant.html

6spd

I've been following his thread, N/A 5.4 SC all day vs 4.3 SC Def. your best bet for the price and ease of use!

austinholloman

Yeah, since hes been working on this 55k swap for over a year and spent countless hours on it and still its not running right. I would go nuts and the money hes spent? Forget about it. The point is, that most of those parts will also fit the 5.4l na motor and still allow for a changer, so you might as well slowly build out the 4.3 with all these parts and once you 4.3 tires out, swap to the 5.4 and put all these upgrades on the new motor, then when thats not enough for you, SC the 5.4 na with all these kleemann upgrades and you have one of the most bad *** w202 C55's ever built. You dont want to do all these mods in one day because these cars arent worth much $$$, so if you spend 1k here and there in wont seem so stupid and instead of sitting around talking about the things you want to do, slowly you actually have done some thing. However, this only makes sense if your planning to keep your W202 AMG for a very long time 15+ years or forever(Like I am).

Saaboteur

I agree, I think $20k for a 55K swap with the purchase of a donor car is probably about right. I've been chatting with a guy who knows his stuff (he was the brains behind a 55K swap into a CLS500 and a few 55K swaps into Crossfires) and he tells me it's all doable. A full donor car would be the best of course. He told me that it would all work like stock - gauges, idle, start up, etc - but would probably need the shifter and electronics moved over too.

That's substantially more work than an NA 55 swap (which I think could be done in a weekend) but the power potential is clearly much higher - 600hp within relatively easy reach, enough to outstrip any of the current crop of high performance German small sport sedans, not to mention Porsches too. I dunno though - it's a lot of cash to splash out on a 10 year and aging car. Might be more tolerable to do the NA 55 swap and maybe a Kleeman charger later on - maybe finding a used one. But at the end of the day, you are still driving a 10+ year old car, and I'm thinking that in another 5 years that $20k is gonna be about 2/3s of the way towards an RS4/C63/ISF and I think that makes a bit more sense to me.

And what's with that salvage E55 in the eBay link? Looks like it needs a front bumper, headlights, inspection and drive away!

503C43 ////AMG

Kleemann claims the headers add 20HP, Project C55 has the kleemann headers maybe he can chime in....

503C43 ////AMG

I wasn't thinking about the tranny, your probably close with the $20K estimate.

austinholloman

Trust me, ive crunched these numbers so many times. Its 20k + to get it running perfect. If you just want it to "run" for 30mins a day and then blow something out of the bonnet, then sure, $10k and your set! Thats if you do its all your self too, and ANY shop time just to get that motor in and wiring right! Ha good luck, that alone will cost a good 2-3k in shop time.

VeeDubbVR6

I was thinking the same thing!

austinholloman

Because the W211 E55 isnt worth that much money wrecked. You can buy the entire car here http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Merce...item230cb16d75 for 22k. That car needs head light, bumper, paint and most likely some airbags! F that! You can buy an E63 now for under 30k, these cars get so cheap so fast! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-...item3cb38529c6

Saaboteur

Whaaat?!? Sub $30k for an E63 is cheap, I had no idea. North of the border, people are still looking for C$60k for a W211 E63 (looks better than the W212 IMO). I'm still thinking that C$30k is cheap for a W211 E55! Appears AMG hold a bit more of their value, for a little longer, in Canada. Nuts. Plenty of imported AMGs here now.

austinholloman

Haha. Wow, $60K for an E63 w211 is just stupid unless its at like 1k miles... ***** you can buy a brand new C63 for close to the same price brand new here. Whats our car worth in C$? I paid 8K USA for mine and its in amazing shape. Did they not import as many C/E63's up there as they did down here? In Dallas AMG cars are everywhere. Most of the people driving NON amg models down here are pretty girls from SMU...

Saaboteur

While there are plenty of AMGs up here, I'm sure there are more in, say, Southern California than all of Canada. That said, I think the new pricing for AMGs now is comparable to US pricing - base price on a C63 is about C$60k, although with options they are more like $70-75k. I was just in the dealership this morning to grab some parts and the list on a premium packaged C63 was $74k. The SLS AMG in the showroom was C$204k.

The depreciation curve must hit earlier and harder for US cars because of the relatively exclusivity of AMGs here. There are lots of AMGs, but not piles of them in comparison. Asking price for C43s is anywhere for C$10-12k nowadays still, some with stupid high mileage too. I got mine last year for C$9k. But you certainly don't see them in the $5k range or anything like that. I think a lot of people have inflated ideas about how much their cars are worth. There was a guy parting out a complete wrecked W210 E55 last year - the guy wanted C$2k for the wheels with trashed tires. WTF? I picked my wheels up for US$550 from a seller here instead.

503C43 ////AMG

There is a PRISTINE C43 with 81k on the dial for $12K in my neck of the woods. Has the tuxedo interior and pretty much all the other options available in the U.S. So it seems the prices are still pretty similar between the U.S and Canada.

austinholloman

There is a guy in socal here that is asking only $6500 for his C43. Its has high miles but he has every single record for the car and he claims it runs stronger than the day he bought it at 20k miles.

6spd

Yea I hear that but I forgot about the 5.4 n/a swap then supercharging. I was thinking I'd rather get a salvaged e55 and take my chances rather than supercharge the 4.3. But the NA 5.4 is def the best option! And that e55 may have a ton of frame damage to the front but it's hard to tell. Great price though considering.

DESIGN

Hi !

is it possible to receive the headers in France?

thk