Is it worth buying these rear Toe links?
08-07-2011, 06:38 AM
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Denis, to tell you the truth, if I had to start again, I probably would go down the 202brabus method. Probably more than sufficient for our needs. I could try this for the toe arms later....
08-07-2011, 10:09 AM
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Are these camber arms using same specs for toe in links, do they fit both camber and toe in when installed or did I understand you wrong?
08-07-2011, 04:31 PM
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Probably similar except different length tube. Have to check and get some measurements 
08-08-2011, 04:22 AM
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heim (or rose) joints.. anyone get rattles from them after a while? i've had some aurora heim joints for swaybar endlinks and they rattle like crazy after a while, even with a protective boot. i ended up going back to a beefier-than-stock ball joint.
anyone else get rattles?
is that what mb fitted on the c43? the c36 had bridgestone expedia S01..ok tire. "best" tire is really a personal taste... what works for one may not work for another
anyone else get rattles?
is that what mb fitted on the c43? the c36 had bridgestone expedia S01..ok tire. "best" tire is really a personal taste... what works for one may not work for another
08-08-2011, 06:33 AM
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Yeah, that's why they are used in race cars and changed often befor they wear out and rattle and where cost is not an issue. For road use it is somewhat going a bit overboard
08-08-2011, 08:27 AM
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heim (or rose) joints.. anyone get rattles from them after a while? i've had some aurora heim joints for swaybar endlinks and they rattle like crazy after a while, even with a protective boot. i ended up going back to a beefier-than-stock ball joint.
anyone else get rattles?
is that what mb fitted on the c43? the c36 had bridgestone expedia S01..ok tire. "best" tire is really a personal taste... what works for one may not work for another
anyone else get rattles?
is that what mb fitted on the c43? the c36 had bridgestone expedia S01..ok tire. "best" tire is really a personal taste... what works for one may not work for another
don't know about NA market
08-08-2011, 08:29 AM
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08-08-2011, 10:31 AM
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Honestly, I am having second thoughts on these camber arms, but I will give them a chance and a try.
08-08-2011, 11:07 AM
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True, but racing will put much greater forces on all the mechanical parts including suspension. I estimate that the difference between the two is probably a ratio of 1:10 Honestly, I am having second thoughts on these camber arms, but I will give them a chance and a try.
Honestly, I am having second thoughts on these camber arms, but I will give them a chance and a try.Maybe or maybe, not time will tell about these joints if they'll make any noize?
08-08-2011, 12:53 PM
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Must mean that joints wear out faster on racetrack and lasts longer in regular traffic?
My name is also Denis, heh. Single 'n'.
08-08-2011, 12:55 PM
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Either way, I promise to report back if something will go wrong.
08-08-2011, 01:34 PM
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Yes. First because I have NO ball joints. The joints of 202brabus method are single-axis, poly-urethane bushing ones. Also There is no -metal-on-metal contact. It is all absorbed by the cylindrical urethane bushing, much like the original Mercedes control arms, front and back.
This is not what I meant. I simply meant that the metal ball joint approach is used in racing, where parts dont last long and are replaced often. This approach is almost never used in production cars due to this simple reason: its noisy and the metal-on-metal grinds down the ball joint quickly and creates play. Production ball joints are always much larger and use a single opening socket, like the one in your front controls arms\spindles.
My name is also Denis, heh. Single 'n'.
This is not what I meant. I simply meant that the metal ball joint approach is used in racing, where parts dont last long and are replaced often. This approach is almost never used in production cars due to this simple reason: its noisy and the metal-on-metal grinds down the ball joint quickly and creates play. Production ball joints are always much larger and use a single opening socket, like the one in your front controls arms\spindles.
My name is also Denis, heh. Single 'n'.
We're both Denis the menace's
I don't get it why this seller uses these balljoints on readymade camber arms?
When people buy these arms they put them on their streetcars and not always track cars.
Why not then put joints fitted for regular traffic?
He should have used HQ long term joints with full rubber wrapping to avoid future issues if there is any risks of premature failure.
This way it gives him bad credit if those camber arms fails because of weak joints!!!
paying 350 dollars ain't cheap if the product is no good!
I guess it spells SUCKERS on our foreheads all of us people whom bought them camber arms with weak rose joints?
Should we all be disapointed owning MB Arts camber arms?
I hope I don't get disapointed, if yes then $350 dollars flushed in the toilet
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08-08-2011, 01:37 PM
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We're both Denis the menace's
I don't get it why this seller uses these balljoints on readymade camber arms?
When people buy these arms they put them on their streetcars and not always track cars.
He should have used HQ long term joints with full rubber wrapping to avoid future issues.
This way it gives him bad credit if those camber arms fails because of weak joints!!!
paying 350 dollars ain't cheap if the product is no good!
I guess it spells SUCKERS on our foreheads all of us people whom bought them camber arms with weak rose joints?
Should we be disapointed?
I don't get it why this seller uses these balljoints on readymade camber arms?
When people buy these arms they put them on their streetcars and not always track cars.
He should have used HQ long term joints with full rubber wrapping to avoid future issues.
This way it gives him bad credit if those camber arms fails because of weak joints!!!
paying 350 dollars ain't cheap if the product is no good!
I guess it spells SUCKERS on our foreheads all of us people whom bought them camber arms with weak rose joints?
Should we be disapointed?
I guess let us wait and see. All I can say right now, the custom arms as per 202brabus method work really well. happy as can be. Cheap too!
08-08-2011, 01:53 PM
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I wouldn't be so worried about this. If you look at the structural\assembly diagrams of the rear multilink setup, its not a particularly obvious load-bearing member. Not to mention all Domestic guys here in the states use Speedway for literally, EVERYTHING. Some people build DIY suspensions from that site, heh.
Either way, I promise to report back if something will go wrong.
Either way, I promise to report back if something will go wrong.
Interesting. I have to take my C in for technical inspection for some track/open road events coming up. They like to scrutinize aftermarket parts... :/ I am going to take them the info on the DIY camber arms, and see what they say.
08-08-2011, 01:58 PM
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97C280 on club202 forum had an issue he reported about, maybe it's not as bad as it looks to be?
http://www.club202.com/forums/showth...ber-arms/page4
08-10-2011, 04:15 AM
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I've had these in my e55 for about 10 months now and I still can't figure out weather I love them or hate them. The car does feel to be more planted but at the same time there are some downfalls which I can't overcome. First they squeak all the time which gets very annoying, second the car seems to float around. The alignment is to spec of what was suggested by mb-arts, the tires and wheels are new and all of the suspension components are in great condition. So my only conclusion is it can only be from the toe-arms. So they do work but for my style of driving I don't think I would buy them again.
08-10-2011, 07:59 AM
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Are you talking about the 202brabus solution ones?
08-10-2011, 10:13 AM
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I've had these in my e55 for about 10 months now and I still can't figure out weather I love them or hate them. The car does feel to be more planted but at the same time there are some downfalls which I can't overcome. First they squeak all the time which gets very annoying, second the car seems to float around. The alignment is to spec of what was suggested by mb-arts, the tires and wheels are new and all of the suspension components are in great condition. So my only conclusion is it can only be from the toe-arms. So they do work but for my style of driving I don't think I would buy them again.
are you using both toe link arms and camber arms from MB Arts?
did you get squeek noises after a few months of driving?
didn't roesejoints live up to their quality giving no sound?
08-12-2011, 02:36 AM
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08-12-2011, 10:11 AM
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97C280 on club202 forum had an issue he reported about, maybe it's not as bad as it looks to be?
http://www.club202.com/forums/showth...ber-arms/page4
http://www.club202.com/forums/showth...ber-arms/page4
Also, mine receive major abuse. My C36 is not a weekend cruiser, it is a beating mule for autocross and track. If anything, I will be the first to report failure or premature wear.
As always, in good spirit and sport, I will diligently post back and report.
08-12-2011, 11:07 AM
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Just for fun too. SO CHEAP! Thank you for sharing.
09-25-2011, 10:32 AM
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emailed the seller about my corny feeling when I overtake other cars. 
My car's rear end feels like swaggering from side to side @ high speed from 150km/h n up.
I have new tires and a new 4 wheel align done.
he told me factory toe in arms flex and doesn't give any support after I had my adjustable camber arms installed. 
I guess I need to get new adjustable toe in arms for X-pensive doe $$$$$?
I have a set of new MB factory toe in arms @ home but I ain't sure if these will give any stiffnes with my MB Arts adjustable camber arms?
I don't wanna spend another 350 bux on suspension parts if they don't help my car cure the sideway nasty feeling @ high speed?
what should I do?
test my new stock toe in arms or get adjustable toe in arms?
My car's rear end feels like swaggering from side to side @ high speed from 150km/h n up.
I have new tires and a new 4 wheel align done.
he told me factory toe in arms flex and doesn't give any support after I had my adjustable camber arms installed.
I guess I need to get new adjustable toe in arms for X-pensive doe $$$$$?
I have a set of new MB factory toe in arms @ home but I ain't sure if these will give any stiffnes with my MB Arts adjustable camber arms?
I don't wanna spend another 350 bux on suspension parts if they don't help my car cure the sideway nasty feeling @ high speed?
what should I do?
test my new stock toe in arms or get adjustable toe in arms?
