C43 tranny failure
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C43 tranny failure
Alrighty guys, well the other week my friend and I had at it on an open stretch of dark highway (in lovely Mexico) and over all (2/3 good rounds, 2/4 total) he beat me very clearly. He drives an MK5 gti manual, and isn't the quickest shifter... so I presumably should have been all over that.
Because of this: There is a local C43 very close to me with only about 110k and some very nice paint, clean interior and a very clean engine. Unfortunately there is very little history on the car, and when I took it for a drive, it was pretty nice, although once during hard accel. it SLAMMED out of first into 2, and I later realized that I couldn't shift the shifter lower than D (or over into 4, I suppose is more correct). It definitely bumped a little when I put in in Reverse or drive and started driving, but that could have just been me pressing the accelerator too soon. Basically what I'm asking is: are these common symptoms of a going transmission that just about every C43 has? And if so, any indication of how bad it is/how soon it will totally die? I could definitely get the car for cheaper knowing this, but I don't know if it's worth the trouble of replacing the transmission in a few thousand miles. Any chance a nice fluid flush would cure or at least alleviate some of this? Also, they said they were going to take it to a mechanic next door after I told them about the issues. Is there anything a non-merc, non-C43 experienced mech might miss when troubleshooting the issue?
Thanks
Because of this: There is a local C43 very close to me with only about 110k and some very nice paint, clean interior and a very clean engine. Unfortunately there is very little history on the car, and when I took it for a drive, it was pretty nice, although once during hard accel. it SLAMMED out of first into 2, and I later realized that I couldn't shift the shifter lower than D (or over into 4, I suppose is more correct). It definitely bumped a little when I put in in Reverse or drive and started driving, but that could have just been me pressing the accelerator too soon. Basically what I'm asking is: are these common symptoms of a going transmission that just about every C43 has? And if so, any indication of how bad it is/how soon it will totally die? I could definitely get the car for cheaper knowing this, but I don't know if it's worth the trouble of replacing the transmission in a few thousand miles. Any chance a nice fluid flush would cure or at least alleviate some of this? Also, they said they were going to take it to a mechanic next door after I told them about the issues. Is there anything a non-merc, non-C43 experienced mech might miss when troubleshooting the issue?
Thanks
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In my opinion, I would try a tranny and filter change. Check also the bottom of the pan and filter for any bad signs (traces of metal). Fill correctly and check the right level at the right operating temperature. If all OK and it drives good after that then it could be good to go. Do you know if the car has been driven "gangster" style?
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Alrighty guys, well the other week my friend and I had at it on an open stretch of dark highway (in lovely Mexico) and over all (2/3 good rounds, 2/4 total) he beat me very clearly. He drives an MK5 gti manual, and isn't the quickest shifter... so I presumably should have been all over that.
Because of this: There is a local C43 very close to me with only about 110k and some very nice paint, clean interior and a very clean engine. Unfortunately there is very little history on the car, and when I took it for a drive, it was pretty nice, although once during hard accel. it SLAMMED out of first into 2, and I later realized that I couldn't shift the shifter lower than D (or over into 4, I suppose is more correct). It definitely bumped a little when I put in in Reverse or drive and started driving, but that could have just been me pressing the accelerator too soon. Basically what I'm asking is: are these common symptoms of a going transmission that just about every C43 has? And if so, any indication of how bad it is/how soon it will totally die? I could definitely get the car for cheaper knowing this, but I don't know if it's worth the trouble of replacing the transmission in a few thousand miles. Any chance a nice fluid flush would cure or at least alleviate some of this? Also, they said they were going to take it to a mechanic next door after I told them about the issues. Is there anything a non-merc, non-C43 experienced mech might miss when troubleshooting the issue?
Thanks
Because of this: There is a local C43 very close to me with only about 110k and some very nice paint, clean interior and a very clean engine. Unfortunately there is very little history on the car, and when I took it for a drive, it was pretty nice, although once during hard accel. it SLAMMED out of first into 2, and I later realized that I couldn't shift the shifter lower than D (or over into 4, I suppose is more correct). It definitely bumped a little when I put in in Reverse or drive and started driving, but that could have just been me pressing the accelerator too soon. Basically what I'm asking is: are these common symptoms of a going transmission that just about every C43 has? And if so, any indication of how bad it is/how soon it will totally die? I could definitely get the car for cheaper knowing this, but I don't know if it's worth the trouble of replacing the transmission in a few thousand miles. Any chance a nice fluid flush would cure or at least alleviate some of this? Also, they said they were going to take it to a mechanic next door after I told them about the issues. Is there anything a non-merc, non-C43 experienced mech might miss when troubleshooting the issue?
Thanks
I have completely removed the shifter from my car and taken the shifter apart and have no idea what could cause this , it makes no sense
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My tranny went out at 98K, it made one loud clunk while driving at freeway speeds, then about a week later made a grinding sound when backing up. I parked it in my driveway, and that's where she stayed. The stealership told me it's $6-8k. When they took it apart, mine had pieces of the thrust bearing that is the weak link in these car's trannys. I found a shop in Sun Valley, CA that sold me a rebuilt one for about $2k with a newer style bearing that is much stronger. Been like new since. I have 119K now. So, use that information when pricing your new ride, you may be able to come out ahead.
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My tranny went out at 98K, it made one loud clunk while driving at freeway speeds, then about a week later made a grinding sound when backing up. I parked it in my driveway, and that's where she stayed. The stealership told me it's $6-8k. When they took it apart, mine had pieces of the thrust bearing that is the weak link in these car's trannys. I found a shop in Sun Valley, CA that sold me a rebuilt one for about $2k with a newer style bearing that is much stronger. Been like new since. I have 119K now. So, use that information when pricing your new ride, you may be able to come out ahead.
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Would be great to know if this shop ships outside US?
Do they ask for the broken transmission in return?
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Just shoot them a mail and ask, then keep us all posted. I could also be interested too (one day perhaps as far away as possible)
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Found this:
"Another thing, when I received the car, the shifter won't shift into manual gears. It goes only on "R", "N" and "D". I had the car checked by my mechanic and he says that the "Shifter Assembly" needs to be replaced. Has anyone had any similar problem?"
From this thread:
https://mbworld.org/forums/c36-amg-c...-problems.html
"Another thing, when I received the car, the shifter won't shift into manual gears. It goes only on "R", "N" and "D". I had the car checked by my mechanic and he says that the "Shifter Assembly" needs to be replaced. Has anyone had any similar problem?"
From this thread:
https://mbworld.org/forums/c36-amg-c...-problems.html
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My tranny went out at 98K, it made one loud clunk while driving at freeway speeds, then about a week later made a grinding sound when backing up. I parked it in my driveway, and that's where she stayed. The stealership told me it's $6-8k. When they took it apart, mine had pieces of the thrust bearing that is the weak link in these car's trannys. I found a shop in Sun Valley, CA that sold me a rebuilt one for about $2k with a newer style bearing that is much stronger. Been like new since. I have 119K now. So, use that information when pricing your new ride, you may be able to come out ahead.
Here is what was left of my bearing.
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Oh, BTW I took Amtrack to the Burbank station and they sent someone over to pick me up. So for you local guys, save yourself the headache and just take it over there.
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Need help. Anything is greatly appreciated. Just bought a c43 2 months ago. Awesome car. Recently notice a leak dripping while the car is park. Jacked up the car and it is coming from an oil or maybe hydraulic line that feeds into the car from the middle (underneath the car). It is right next to the metal gear shifter when looking up from down underneath the car. Half of the line is covered with a black rubber star shape and the other half is white that connects to the tranny I suppose. It is leaking from the connection point. What is this oil/fluid line and why is it leaking? How to fix? Thanks for your help.
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Looks like you have a connector leak. Common problem and simple to fix. Go and get a tranny ATF and filter flush and get the plug changed at the same time.
Some reading here: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w210...ml#post3647190
Another thing, if the connector is leaking, make sure that ATF oil has not moved up the harness to the EGS module. If it has, hope that the module has not fried.
Some reading here: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w210...ml#post3647190
Another thing, if the connector is leaking, make sure that ATF oil has not moved up the harness to the EGS module. If it has, hope that the module has not fried.
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Thank you DRBC43AMG. I will check that out tomorrow and see if it's the connector. I've read the thread you recommended and it doesn't seem that bad as a DIY. Hopefully that's the cause of the leak. Again, thanks.
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Hey guys, regarding tranny heat issue, do you think that small cooler in the right behind the fog light is enough to cool our tranny..!?!, im
thinking to swapping it to air cooler with fan, for example like the W140 S500/S600 one, in same time i need to put a cone filter
in same place, for cold intake, i can’t put that cone filter there, cause the bracket for that small cooler closed that area...
!
![C43 tranny failure-004.jpg](https://mbworld.org/forums/attachments/c36-amg-c43-amg-w202/222801d1542234086t-c43-tranny-failure-004.jpg)
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thinking to swapping it to air cooler with fan, for example like the W140 S500/S600 one, in same time i need to put a cone filter
in same place, for cold intake, i can’t put that cone filter there, cause the bracket for that small cooler closed that area...
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![C43 tranny failure-004.jpg](https://mbworld.org/forums/attachments/c36-amg-c43-amg-w202/222801d1542234086t-c43-tranny-failure-004.jpg)
ZAYED,,
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What’s happened to this C43........
!?!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-C43...c2d634&vxp=mtr
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-C43...c2d634&vxp=mtr
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What’s happened to this C43........
!?!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-C43...c2d634&vxp=mtr
ZAYED,,
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-C43...c2d634&vxp=mtr
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Hey guys, regarding tranny heat issue, do you think that small cooler in the right behind the fog light is enough to cool our tranny..!?!, im
thinking to swapping it to air cooler with fan, for example like the W140 S500/S600 one, in same time i need to put a cone filter
in same place, for cold intake, i can’t put that cone filter there, cause the bracket for that small cooler closed that area...
!
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ZAYED,,
thinking to swapping it to air cooler with fan, for example like the W140 S500/S600 one, in same time i need to put a cone filter
in same place, for cold intake, i can’t put that cone filter there, cause the bracket for that small cooler closed that area...
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Attachment 222801
ZAYED,,
B&M racing cooler with fan
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Agree with you, its a good idea,,
but i don’t think the W140 S500/S600 is small, its 8.5" length(height) & 8.3" width & 1.4" depth(thick)........
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but i don’t think the W140 S500/S600 is small, its 8.5" length(height) & 8.3" width & 1.4" depth(thick)........
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Nice idea Zayed, and I imagine it is a necessary upgrade in your part of the World specially where summer temps get pretty high ![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
However, just wondering what kind of temps the ATF gets up to under hard running conditions. If AMG did not feel necessary to upgrade the ATF cooling system for "normal" conditions, why do it. Understand also that if you ar towing something heavy or tracking hard, it would be ideal. Ideally somebody should get a sensor in the ATF circuit to register the temps.
Concerning that ATF rad, the fan must operate with a thermostatic switch somewhere. Anybody know?
What about a larger engine oil rad to cope with hard running conditions? Again, it would also be nice to know the temps engine oil gets to...
![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
However, just wondering what kind of temps the ATF gets up to under hard running conditions. If AMG did not feel necessary to upgrade the ATF cooling system for "normal" conditions, why do it. Understand also that if you ar towing something heavy or tracking hard, it would be ideal. Ideally somebody should get a sensor in the ATF circuit to register the temps.
Concerning that ATF rad, the fan must operate with a thermostatic switch somewhere. Anybody know?
What about a larger engine oil rad to cope with hard running conditions? Again, it would also be nice to know the temps engine oil gets to...
![Confused](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif)
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Don't know about the merc one though
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Nice idea Zayed, and I imagine it is a necessary upgrade in your part of the World specially where summer temps get pretty high ![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
However, just wondering what kind of temps the ATF gets up to under hard running conditions. If AMG did not feel necessary to upgrade the ATF cooling system for "normal" conditions, why do it. Understand also that if you ar towing something heavy or tracking hard, it would be ideal. Ideally somebody should get a sensor in the ATF circuit to register the temps.
Concerning that ATF rad, the fan must operate with a thermostatic switch somewhere. Anybody know?
What about a larger engine oil rad to cope with hard running conditions? Again, it would also be nice to know the temps engine oil gets to...![Confused](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif)
![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
However, just wondering what kind of temps the ATF gets up to under hard running conditions. If AMG did not feel necessary to upgrade the ATF cooling system for "normal" conditions, why do it. Understand also that if you ar towing something heavy or tracking hard, it would be ideal. Ideally somebody should get a sensor in the ATF circuit to register the temps.
Concerning that ATF rad, the fan must operate with a thermostatic switch somewhere. Anybody know?
What about a larger engine oil rad to cope with hard running conditions? Again, it would also be nice to know the temps engine oil gets to...
![Confused](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif)
also i don’t like to cooled a tranny from a radiator, im soo afraid if the cooler room cracked or something, then the oil well mixed with water....
![EEK!](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif)
a good air cooling system with fan well be more safer,,
sure, im thinking about cooling the Engine either, maybe follow a 55k system,,
+1 cool = +1 hp.......
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ZAYED,,
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