THE END OF THE C43?!?
#26
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as commented above when i went to the Audi dealer in August last year for the RS3 sedan, they just stopped the production due teh WLTP (now they are resuming it), all RS models stopped and they just received the communication that the S models will be V6 diesel, the dealer was desperate and shocked with this. After waiting months I just give-up and went directly to the Merc.
I've been driving 4 cylinder turbo engine, during many years and i wanted somethign different.... I said myself or I do it now or never. That's why I discarded the S60 polestar, Jaguar I4 etc... at the end I didn't have many choices on engine, power, price.
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PFEAMG (05-04-2019)
#28
Interesting post.
Personally I think, it's not fair to compare a C43 to C63.
They are different cars, one a 4matic, the other a RWD, with different engines, transmission and setup, of course their performance will not be the same.
Is C43 a fake AMG? This term "fake" is badly used.
Example, if XXX car company tries to make a car that tries to be an AMG and slap an AMG badge on it. Yes, I would call that a fake AMG.
But the fact is, the C43 engine has been tuned by AMG, the exterior and interior also touched up by AMG. Why then would anyone call this a fake AMG? OK...the engine may not have been hand assembled like the traditional AMG, so from traditional and purist views this might be enough to classified the car as a "NOT FULL ON" AMG. But it's hardly a "FAKE" AMG.
My previous two AMGs were 2015 CLA45 and 2017 FL CLA45. At that time, people said; "that's a baby AMG...", "that's not real AMG, its only a 4cylinders..."
My point being everyone's definition of an AMG or "fake" AMG seems to vary.
But for me there are three categories that makes a car an AMG.
1. The styling; interior and exterior (the style that makes you look back when you walk away after parking, you long to sit in that stylish and lively interior and inviting cockpit)
2. Performance/Handling (the thrilling sensations of power/torque/accelerations, grippy handling around twisty roads)
3. Engine and exhaust sound. (the type of sounds that puts a smile on your face when you hear the roar, cracks and pops!)
Does the C43 have all the above 3 points covered?
Absolutely!
Is it a "fake" AMG?.
How could you even think that?!
Personally I think, it's not fair to compare a C43 to C63.
They are different cars, one a 4matic, the other a RWD, with different engines, transmission and setup, of course their performance will not be the same.
Is C43 a fake AMG? This term "fake" is badly used.
Example, if XXX car company tries to make a car that tries to be an AMG and slap an AMG badge on it. Yes, I would call that a fake AMG.
But the fact is, the C43 engine has been tuned by AMG, the exterior and interior also touched up by AMG. Why then would anyone call this a fake AMG? OK...the engine may not have been hand assembled like the traditional AMG, so from traditional and purist views this might be enough to classified the car as a "NOT FULL ON" AMG. But it's hardly a "FAKE" AMG.
My previous two AMGs were 2015 CLA45 and 2017 FL CLA45. At that time, people said; "that's a baby AMG...", "that's not real AMG, its only a 4cylinders..."
My point being everyone's definition of an AMG or "fake" AMG seems to vary.
But for me there are three categories that makes a car an AMG.
1. The styling; interior and exterior (the style that makes you look back when you walk away after parking, you long to sit in that stylish and lively interior and inviting cockpit)
2. Performance/Handling (the thrilling sensations of power/torque/accelerations, grippy handling around twisty roads)
3. Engine and exhaust sound. (the type of sounds that puts a smile on your face when you hear the roar, cracks and pops!)
Does the C43 have all the above 3 points covered?
Absolutely!
Is it a "fake" AMG?.
How could you even think that?!
Last edited by Cowboy11; 02-28-2020 at 02:19 PM.
#29
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Interesting post.
Personally I think, it's not fair to compare a C43 to C63.
They are different cars, one a 4matic, the other a RWD, with different engines, transmission and setup, of course their performance will not be the same.
Is C43 a fake AMG? This term "fake" is badly used.
Example, if XXX car company tries to make a car that tries to be an AMG and slap an AMG badge on it. Yes, I would call that a fake AMG.
But the fact is, the C43 engine has been tuned by AMG, the exterior and interior also touched up by AMG. Why then would anyone call this a fake AMG? OK...the engine may not have been hand assembled like the traditional AMG, so from traditional and purist views this might be enough to classified the car as a "NOT FULL ON" AMG. But it's hardly a "FAKE" AMG.
My previous two AMGs were 2015 CLA45 and 2017 FL CLA45. At that time, people said; "that's a baby AMG...", "that's not real AMG, it only a 4cylinders..."
My point being everyone's definition of an AMG or "fake" AMG seems to vary.
But for me there are three categories that makes a car an AMG.
1. The styling; interior and exterior (the style that makes you look back when you walk away after parking, you long to sit in that stylish and lively interior and inviting cockpit)
2. Performance/Handling (the thrilling sensations of power/torque/accelerations, grippy handling around twisty roads)
3. Engine and exhaust sound. (the type of sounds that puts a smile on your face when you here the roar, cracks and pops!)
Does the C43 have all the above 3 points covered?
Absolutely!
Is it a "fake" AMG?.
How could you even think that?!
Personally I think, it's not fair to compare a C43 to C63.
They are different cars, one a 4matic, the other a RWD, with different engines, transmission and setup, of course their performance will not be the same.
Is C43 a fake AMG? This term "fake" is badly used.
Example, if XXX car company tries to make a car that tries to be an AMG and slap an AMG badge on it. Yes, I would call that a fake AMG.
But the fact is, the C43 engine has been tuned by AMG, the exterior and interior also touched up by AMG. Why then would anyone call this a fake AMG? OK...the engine may not have been hand assembled like the traditional AMG, so from traditional and purist views this might be enough to classified the car as a "NOT FULL ON" AMG. But it's hardly a "FAKE" AMG.
My previous two AMGs were 2015 CLA45 and 2017 FL CLA45. At that time, people said; "that's a baby AMG...", "that's not real AMG, it only a 4cylinders..."
My point being everyone's definition of an AMG or "fake" AMG seems to vary.
But for me there are three categories that makes a car an AMG.
1. The styling; interior and exterior (the style that makes you look back when you walk away after parking, you long to sit in that stylish and lively interior and inviting cockpit)
2. Performance/Handling (the thrilling sensations of power/torque/accelerations, grippy handling around twisty roads)
3. Engine and exhaust sound. (the type of sounds that puts a smile on your face when you here the roar, cracks and pops!)
Does the C43 have all the above 3 points covered?
Absolutely!
Is it a "fake" AMG?.
How could you even think that?!
Loved my '13 C63 sedan, which I had for 5 years. Its appeal was in the extremes: the insane speed, the symphonic exhaust, the Recaro-built bucket seats, the oversized front/rear boat anchor brake hardware, and that characterful 6.2L V8.
After getting engaged, getting a new home, and consolidating to 1 car to have as a daily driver, I opted for an '18 C43. Completely different car to the W204 C63. AWD, 2 less cylinders, turbocharged.
It didn't have the same driver's license-toasting top end as the C63, but it was hilariously easy to use the power on a daily basis. I could stomp the throttle at stop lights and stop signs and the power always hooked up, irrespective of weather conditions. You could hustle the C43 over backroads with ease. And while the tone and nature of the sound was different, the sound was still boisterous and special with the PE. I still felt that emotional connection to the car because of the sound and power.
My '18 C43 had several issues and I was ultimately able to get rid of it. I was considering replacing it with a base '20 C63 (non-S), or a fully loaded '20 C43. I ultimately chose the C43 because it fits what I need now - something that will deliver the special driving experience without the need for 2 tire swaps per year. Neither option was a bad choice, but the fact that I would be happy with each for different reasons demonstrates that both cars are special in their own right, and there is no need for owners of either option to crap on one another.
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2019 AMG C43
Like any good business what Mercedes is going to do with the C43 and C63s is going to "mirror" what BMW and Audi are doing.
Is Mercedes going to give up their slice of the C43/S4/M340i market to BMW and Audi...Nope.
They will compete with the S4 and the M340i...that is a lucrative market.
The C43 will have something under its hood that can compete spec to spec with the B58 engine in the M340i.
Competition in the market dictates that...Mercedes does not do business in a vacuum.
But going up market to the C63...Audi and BMW have already gone to 6 cylinders in the RS4/RS5 and the M3/M4.
Mercedes will come out with a 6 cylinder C63 that targets the RS4/RS5 and the M3/M4...500 HP.
BMW is very happy to make a 6 cylinder M340i and a 6 cylinder M3.
Expect Mercedes to do the exact same thing with the next generation C43 and C63.
Because ultimately what gets built and sold is more driven by the competition...and marketing and sales that needs to meet the competition...than the engineering department.
Is Mercedes going to give up their slice of the C43/S4/M340i market to BMW and Audi...Nope.
They will compete with the S4 and the M340i...that is a lucrative market.
The C43 will have something under its hood that can compete spec to spec with the B58 engine in the M340i.
Competition in the market dictates that...Mercedes does not do business in a vacuum.
But going up market to the C63...Audi and BMW have already gone to 6 cylinders in the RS4/RS5 and the M3/M4.
Mercedes will come out with a 6 cylinder C63 that targets the RS4/RS5 and the M3/M4...500 HP.
BMW is very happy to make a 6 cylinder M340i and a 6 cylinder M3.
Expect Mercedes to do the exact same thing with the next generation C43 and C63.
Because ultimately what gets built and sold is more driven by the competition...and marketing and sales that needs to meet the competition...than the engineering department.
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2019 C63CS
Like any good business what Mercedes is going to do with the C43 and C63s is going to "mirror" what BMW and Audi are doing.
Is Mercedes going to give up their slice of the C43/S4/M340i market to BMW and Audi...Nope.
They will compete with the S4 and the M340i...that is a lucrative market.
The C43 will have something under its hood that can compete spec to spec with the B58 engine in the M340i.
Competition in the market dictates that...Mercedes does not do business in a vacuum.
But going up market to the C63...Audi and BMW have already gone to 6 cylinders in the RS4/RS5 and the M3/M4.
Mercedes will come out with a 6 cylinder C63 that targets the RS4/RS5 and the M3/M4...500 HP.
BMW is very happy to make a 6 cylinder M340i and a 6 cylinder M3.
Expect Mercedes to do the exact same thing with the next generation C43 and C63.
Because ultimately what gets built and sold is more driven by the competition...and marketing and sales that needs to meet the competition...than the engineering department.
Is Mercedes going to give up their slice of the C43/S4/M340i market to BMW and Audi...Nope.
They will compete with the S4 and the M340i...that is a lucrative market.
The C43 will have something under its hood that can compete spec to spec with the B58 engine in the M340i.
Competition in the market dictates that...Mercedes does not do business in a vacuum.
But going up market to the C63...Audi and BMW have already gone to 6 cylinders in the RS4/RS5 and the M3/M4.
Mercedes will come out with a 6 cylinder C63 that targets the RS4/RS5 and the M3/M4...500 HP.
BMW is very happy to make a 6 cylinder M340i and a 6 cylinder M3.
Expect Mercedes to do the exact same thing with the next generation C43 and C63.
Because ultimately what gets built and sold is more driven by the competition...and marketing and sales that needs to meet the competition...than the engineering department.
Last edited by superswiss; 02-28-2020 at 01:12 PM.
#32
Strong, strong post.
Loved my '13 C63 sedan, which I had for 5 years. Its appeal was in the extremes: the insane speed, the symphonic exhaust, the Recaro-built bucket seats, the oversized front/rear boat anchor brake hardware, and that characterful 6.2L V8.
After getting engaged, getting a new home, and consolidating to 1 car to have as a daily driver, I opted for an '18 C43. Completely different car to the W204 C63. AWD, 2 less cylinders, turbocharged.
It didn't have the same driver's license-toasting top end as the C63, but it was hilariously easy to use the power on a daily basis. I could stomp the throttle at stop lights and stop signs and the power always hooked up, irrespective of weather conditions. You could hustle the C43 over backroads with ease. And while the tone and nature of the sound was different, the sound was still boisterous and special with the PE. I still felt that emotional connection to the car because of the sound and power.
My '18 C43 had several issues and I was ultimately able to get rid of it. I was considering replacing it with a base '20 C63 (non-S), or a fully loaded '20 C43. I ultimately chose the C43 because it fits what I need now - something that will deliver the special driving experience without the need for 2 tire swaps per year. Neither option was a bad choice, but the fact that I would be happy with each for different reasons demonstrates that both cars are special in their own right, and there is no need for owners of either option to crap on one another.
Loved my '13 C63 sedan, which I had for 5 years. Its appeal was in the extremes: the insane speed, the symphonic exhaust, the Recaro-built bucket seats, the oversized front/rear boat anchor brake hardware, and that characterful 6.2L V8.
After getting engaged, getting a new home, and consolidating to 1 car to have as a daily driver, I opted for an '18 C43. Completely different car to the W204 C63. AWD, 2 less cylinders, turbocharged.
It didn't have the same driver's license-toasting top end as the C63, but it was hilariously easy to use the power on a daily basis. I could stomp the throttle at stop lights and stop signs and the power always hooked up, irrespective of weather conditions. You could hustle the C43 over backroads with ease. And while the tone and nature of the sound was different, the sound was still boisterous and special with the PE. I still felt that emotional connection to the car because of the sound and power.
My '18 C43 had several issues and I was ultimately able to get rid of it. I was considering replacing it with a base '20 C63 (non-S), or a fully loaded '20 C43. I ultimately chose the C43 because it fits what I need now - something that will deliver the special driving experience without the need for 2 tire swaps per year. Neither option was a bad choice, but the fact that I would be happy with each for different reasons demonstrates that both cars are special in their own right, and there is no need for owners of either option to crap on one another.
So after the 2018 C43 gave you grief. You managed to get a new one but 2020 C43. I don't think there are any changes for the C43 during these years.
Spot on when you mentioned about the cars being good for different reasons.
When people crap about their former car, it's almost like *****ing about their previous girlfriend. Now that they broke up, plenty negatives to say about the former and all bright stars for the latest. At one stage the former was a fit for purpose/situations. Then come along a new car/gf to suit changing circumstances/situations in honeymoon period with the latest greatest because the new gf is more attractive in certain other ways doesn't necessarily mean the former is not good is it in this case? 😂😂
Just my light hearted view replying to the post that compared the C63 to C43 and calling the latter fake AMG.
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