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I think you went with the right one. Regardless of who has the better tune, I went with Eurocharged for the sole reason AMR tends to ban/silence any users on their Facebook channel that mention other tunes in a good way or mention an issue with AMR.
No tune is perfect from day one, the fact AMR pretends theirs is, is a huge red flag to me.
I currently have TCU, ecu, tunes from EC. There’s been some hiccups along the way as i was one of the first to get the TCU tune and my e85 was a little high for it. Similarly in the process of dialing in HPFP. Jerry and the other guys at EC constantly get back to me and provide nothing but help. I have a habit of sending multiple emails on a Friday evening (sorry) and I get nothing but professionalism.
Could you explain to me what the TCU tune does? I was thinking about getting it but wanted to see the tune in action first. Also how do you like the HPFP? I just got the tune loaded on and its is great! I can't really test it to much as we have a big storm here now. But going about 50% I can tell the throttle response is way better. The power comes on fast and hard as well. I haven't reved it out at all but I will and can't wait to test it on a good day. I worked with Jerry as well and he is a stand up guy, help me on Saturday and had my tune to me in about 40 min; great customer service.
And sure as shiit, after this post they kicked me out if their Facebook AMG C43 Group. Those guys are dikks!
Who? AMR? I left that group after I got EC. They hit you with the, "send you a pm thing". It was a nice forum and they were all polite. I have no hard feelings or any of that. Who know maybe they get a new feature or some cool add ons and I switch.
Who? AMR? I left that group after I got EC. They hit you with the, "send you a pm thing". It was a nice forum and they were all polite. I have no hard feelings or any of that. Who know maybe they get a new feature or some cool add ons and I switch.
so you really felt difference? i ran logs on my motor lpfp was @ 50% duty cycle and hpfp was at bout 75% on stage 2 v4 EC plenty of fuel to support 25 psi on factory turbos now as far as e85 won't happen .
Last edited by MWorks E wagon; 11-30-2020 at 06:15 PM.
so you really felt difference? i ran logs on my motor lpfp was @ 50% duty cycle and hpfp was at bout 75% on stage 2 v4 EC plenty of fuel to support 25 psi on factory turbos now as far as e85 won't happen .
[QUOTE=MWorks E wagon;8214379]so you really felt difference? i ran logs on my motor lpfp was @ 50% duty cycle and hpfp was at bout 75% on stage 2 v4 EC plenty of fuel to support 25 psi on factory turbos now as far as e85 won't happen
If i may ask what are you using montiar the engine?
so you really felt difference? i ran logs on my motor lpfp was @ 50% duty cycle and hpfp was at bout 75% on stage 2 v4 EC plenty of fuel to support 25 psi on factory turbos now as far as e85 won't happen
If i may ask what are you using montiar the engine?
Who? AMR? I left that group after I got EC. They hit you with the, "send you a pm thing". It was a nice forum and they were all polite. I have no hard feelings or any of that. Who know maybe they get a new feature or some cool add ons and I switch.
Yeah man. Whatever, it was one of 4 that I visit for the C43 205 Group. I didn't get a PM thing. I just went to see if they did and on a few posts that I commented on I can no longer go to the post and the group is no longer in my group list. Whatever I knew it was just a matter of time. The group was cool, except for Robert talking shiit about my tune being inferior to theirs. And I was totally respectful in my posts. Never bad mouthed them or anything, just confirms what you had stated about them.
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Stay tuned for dragy runs before & after. ill just leave you with this for now its like going from stock ecu to a stage one tons of low end torque snapping twisting fun.
Last edited by MWorks E wagon; 12-03-2020 at 11:08 PM.
Could you explain to me what the TCU tune does? I was thinking about getting it but wanted to see the tune in action first. Also how do you like the HPFP? I just got the tune loaded on and its is great! I can't really test it to much as we have a big storm here now. But going about 50% I can tell the throttle response is way better. The power comes on fast and hard as well. I haven't reved it out at all but I will and can't wait to test it on a good day. I worked with Jerry as well and he is a stand up guy, help me on Saturday and had my tune to me in about 40 min; great customer service.
my understanding is the TCU/cpc tune does two things primarily. Preface lift torque limiting was done on TCU, post facelift it moved to the CPC module.
The tune will reduce torque limits. The car limits torque based on gear and rpm to ensure drivetrain longevity and warranty targets. Transmission trades output rpms for torque. So when your engine is producing 500 torque your getting a huge multiple of that through the drive train in lower gears. That’s why dyno runs are done in 6th gear i believe as the ratio is 1:1.
Similarly all cars reduce torque during gear changes. This is accomplished through throttle closure and ign retardation. You’ll see both on JB4 or any log really. This is for both customer comfort and again drivetrain longevity. But this slows the car.
The TCU/CPC adjustments adjust these values to improve power to the wheels during certain gears, reduces throttle closures during gear change, and speeds up gear changes.
When everything lines up ive seen big improvement on the gear changes. On draggy rather than my accel dropping to <0.5 it’s maintained in the 0.8 area. Second gear seems much stronger too. Again, I have some consistency issues.
HPFP to be honest is a work in progress. It’s definitely needed if you’re running e85 mix. Even with lighter mixes during some of the gear changes my hp fuel rail is down around 1600psi... which is far too low. But, the tune and hardware for it is pretty new. If you’ve just gone stage 1, I’d recommend going stage two. Personally I went with race dp’s (300 cel GESi) as I hate rasp. They sound awesome and increase hp through the entire rev range so increase times a lot. I had catless and the dif between race and catless from performance view point is negligible
Thanks friend for the explanation. It seems that the tcu tune just up's the tq limit, how do you put the power down; if it is a 31:69 spilt your gonna need some meaty tires! As for the stage two I am thinking about that, but a new air intake and dp's that will smell and make mabey 30 for about 2500 dollars is a hard sell. I am really looking into the tcu or intercooler. I have see the engine get warm in stock conditions when just doing some spirted driving. Please keep me post on your build, we all look forward to hearing how it turns out!
Traction is definitely an issue! Ive had to lower my launch rpm at this point. I’m still on stock tires and suspension.
and yes forgot about the smell. On the 300 cel dp’s there’s no smell at all, on the catless, it was bad. Some people said only when they’re stopped in traffic... I live in California so I basically live in traffic. Getting groceries out the back became a hold your breath competition. Race dps are definitely pricey tho, they were twice catless with shielding.
+1 for Eurocharged. I was in the same boat and kept going back and forth between AMR/EC. It boiled down to price/performance. EC was a clear winner. AMR was double the price (to be fair their numbers they posted on their website we're higher i.e. HP/TQ) but I don't think its worth double the cost for 40hp imo. Jerry and his team at Eurocharged went above and beyond to help and the car simply feels amazing and I've had zero issues so far.
hey guys just an small update. Car seems to be making a lot more power! really more aggressive all around. I also just got my draggy in and will try to get some numbers with it, but they did sand some of the roads so not sure how long it will take.
hey guys just an small update. Car seems to be making a lot more power! really more aggressive all around. I also just got my draggy in and will try to get some numbers with it, but they did sand some of the roads so not sure how long it will take.
Sounds like a chance for you to post some videos of you drifting around.
Sounds like a chance for you to post some videos of you drifting around.
Yea I tired but its way to cold to hook up, I was still able to do a 3.85 and 11.85 1/4. I let off on the quarter because I didn't have the speakers up to hear it call out times.
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Stay tuned for dragy runs before & after. ill just leave you with this for now its like going from stock ecu to a stage one tons of low end torque snapping twisting fun.
[QUOTE=hc_416;8220264]what are ya doing and did you do any drags yet? I did few few ...crazy low down torque and terrible quarter miles . I think im screwing up my lunch after tcu i been flooring it then letting off brake . thinking because i have no torque limiters its ok and getting bogged down so im going try the 2k like befor and see what happen from 50 60 mph my time drops by a .1 im thinking heat soak and retarding so jerry sent me.new file i havent drove car yet to busy .
cars running great after wagner install i did logs cuz i notice now my turbo kicks in so fast and hard my hpfp is down to 1600 psi is that bad ? scan tool says should not drop below 2400 psi im afraid to lean out to best of my knowledge rail has a sensor and the ecu should cut power and go into limp mode . jerry want me to send logs bout i can't find any programs beside jb4 .
my understanding is the TCU/cpc tune does two things primarily. Preface lift torque limiting was done on TCU, post facelift it moved to the CPC module.
The tune will reduce torque limits. The car limits torque based on gear and rpm to ensure drivetrain longevity and warranty targets. Transmission trades output rpms for torque. So when your engine is producing 500 torque your getting a huge multiple of that through the drive train in lower gears. That’s why dyno runs are done in 6th gear i believe as the ratio is 1:1.
Similarly all cars reduce torque during gear changes. This is accomplished through throttle closure and ign retardation. You’ll see both on JB4 or any log really. This is for both customer comfort and again drivetrain longevity. But this slows the car.
The TCU/CPC adjustments adjust these values to improve power to the wheels during certain gears, reduces throttle closures during gear change, and speeds up gear changes.
When everything lines up ive seen big improvement on the gear changes. On draggy rather than my accel dropping to <0.5 it’s maintained in the 0.8 area. Second gear seems much stronger too. Again, I have some consistency issues.
HPFP to be honest is a work in progress. It’s definitely needed if you’re running e85 mix. Even with lighter mixes during some of the gear changes my hp fuel rail is down around 1600psi... which is far too low. But, the tune and hardware for it is pretty new. If you’ve just gone stage 1, I’d recommend going stage two. Personally I went with race dp’s (300 cel GESi) as I hate rasp. They sound awesome and increase hp through the entire rev range so increase times a lot. I had catless and the dif between race and catless from performance view point is negligible
cars running great after wagner install i did logs cuz i notice now my turbo kicks in so fast and hard my hpfp is down to 1600 psi is that bad ? scan tool says should not drop below 2400 psi im afraid to lean out to best of my knowledge rail has a sensor and the ecu should cut power and go into limp mode . jerry want me to send logs bout i can't find any programs beside jb4 .
cars running great after wagner install i did logs cuz i notice now my turbo kicks in so fast and hard my hpfp is down to 1600 psi is that bad ? scan tool says should not drop below 2400 psi im afraid to lean out to best of my knowledge rail has a sensor and the ecu should cut power and go into limp mode . jerry want me to send logs bout i can't find any programs beside jb4 .
Why would your fuel psi be done if you only upgraded the turbo? Maybe the colder air means less fuel is needed to cool the engine?
11-30-2020, 03:28 PM
