Sunny55

I believe a slightly tuned/modified C63, meaning ECU, intake and headers should be able to take a STOCK E63 from 0-60, 1/4 mile, and highway runs. But hey, who knows....

A modified C63 verse a modified E63 may be a different story. The point is we won't know until, the C63 actaully comes out. Until then, we can speculate and predict all we want, but there is no hard data.

Anyway, Rebellax, the C63 should be a great car and very very fast. Easily modifed to over 500 ponies. The 2008 Corvette C6, which has a few more hp than the past C6's, may be a lil less than the C63. Or get a Z06 and you will smoke everything!

mhh

Benz quotes identical acceleration times (4.5 sec 0-100 km/h) for both the E63 and the new C63 on its website. Does that settle it?

SoS SWATxV2

I know about the 5 Series as the same size as the E...

And I'm serious. Leg room for some reason is real tight in the M5...

Or maybe I'm too used to my S55 AMG large legroom space...

ItalianStallion

Since you want a 4 door that will smoke everything, you can get a low mileage E55 AMG and show your dad that he should have stuck with the V8 Kompressor

With a pulley, ECU, headers, and throttle body, you will destroy the RS4 and E63.

C63 will be a very fast car and probably with just an ECU you will be able to run even with or take your dad's E63.

If ALL you care about is speed and you need 4 doors, modded Evos and STi's are the way to go.

I remember I used to compete against my father when he had the SL55 and I had the CLK500. I finally got around to that after getting the ecu tuned, exhaust, air filters, and nitrous oxide installed, good times , sometimes I miss the simplicity of being 16 years old.

Have fun

SilverBulletAMG

Preach it brotha!haha

SilverBulletAMG

It's fairly agreed upon that this severely detuned engine will be under rated from the factory. They had to intentionally detune this engine to get it down to "457". Something as simple as exhaust, headers, and ECU flash could result in VERY significant gains.

Now, stock vs. stock they will most likely be about side by side 0-60 and 1/4 mile wise, but MB will post the results as the E63 being slightly quicker and faster. It's the more expensive car....can't have a cheaper car beating it on paper.

SilverBulletAMG

You are correct....accept when it comes to AMG. THAT is the "status symbol" or exclusivity that AMG owners are going for. But yeah, standard C class is for the wifey and/or girlfriends to drive.

E55 KEV

Not at all, all data comes from Wards Auto. Those are US sales I hav collected over the years. So what is backwards?

360_iti

You said in the past MB sold E class more except in 2006.
But your stats show the exact opposite.

E55 KEV

You must be new to Mercedes-Benz. Their Bread and Butter Car (Volume) was the E-Class years ago. In the 1980's & 1990's and prior to the W203 C-Class which hit in 2001. The so-called Baby Benz in the W201 and W202 was sold much less than the W203. The E-Class (W124 & W210) used to be Volume Leader.

360_iti

OK. I think I just misunderstood what you meant. Sorry, I thought what you meant by "past" was a few years ago, instead of prior W203 era.
But looks like E-class sales are closing the gap and it actually outsold W203 last year. It'll be interesting to see the numbers for next year with the new W204 in the picture.

MB_Forever

Actually, Mercedes lists the E63 as slightly faster from 0-60 mph than the C63 and CLK63. Here is the link:

http://www.mbusa.com/models/features...E63&class=08_E

E63 0-60 mph = 4.3
C63/CLK63 0-60 mph = 4.5

Stock vs Stock, the E63 will be faster, but as soon as the C63 gets detuned, it will KILL the E63 mainly due to the weight advantage.

Modded vs Modded, the C63 will still beat the E63.

The C63 will remain THE FASTEST 63 model until the SLK63 steps in....

evanswan

.2 seconds difference between 0-60 times isn't much of a difference in real day driving. Thats a drivers race and re-action time to the gas pedal nuance. Any one know if you can take a few lbs off the C63. 150 lbs lighter should do the trick. Also did you guys forget about handeling. The c63 is more of a sports handling car compared to its big brother e class. e class is much nicer inside, quiter, roomier and supel. But for driving fun c all the way.
I was looking at a cls55 a year or so old. But for the same money, I get a more aggresive looking car, faster with better handling, and looks worlds better than the current e class, althought I must say the cls is a work of art.
I'm getting the c63 and when I see an e63 or what ever. I'm going to do my own test.

360_iti

Yup we all know that. Apart from the initial question asked by the original OP, there is another topic here, which to discuss what AMG does to “mortal” customers on paper vs reality. Performance wise, the data favors the E63 by .2 seconds on paper, but that could be just for marketing purposes, just like E55/SL55 case. In reality, nobody knows which one is quicker between the two until C63 is released, dynoed and trapped on the same day / weather / location side by side with E63.
I’d say stock vs stock in reality it’ll be really close, driver’s race. Mod vs mod, C63 will beat E63 slightly.

whoover

All true of a drag. But if the C63 handles anything like the reports, the E63 will be toast on a real track. That's what has me drooling.

I've been building the case that my wife really needs her C55 replaced, but she's not yet convinced. My fear is that the C63-030 (which is what "she" really needs) will ride pretty rough and I'll be toast.

360_iti

Haha ! Yup, that's a problem. But then you can sell it to me for cheap.

KiwiRobbie

I would say the b a s t a r d child of the MB range would be the smarts followed by the A and B Classes, the C class is where they make a lot of money.

norb

Why do people compare a MODDED C63 to the stock E63 when comparing the two? That's not fair. A modded out Honda Civic can be made to be faster than a Ferrari. Stock for stock, I'm sure the E63 will have a slight advantage.

360_iti

I'm gonna have to agree with you on this.

whoover

It's not quite the same. The C63 and E63 have the same engine, only the C63's has been detuned specifically to keep it from embarrassing the more expensive E63. Removing marketing-imposed limitations isn't like adding a supercharger or nitrous. Yes, it's not comparing bone stock, but it's not exactly apples and oranges.

norb

So in the same vein, one can argue that the E63 has a de-tuned version of the S/CL 6.3 so you can mod it also? Where do you stop? For comparison purposes, one should only compare stock to stock.

360_iti

Based on reviews from magazines and webzines so far, the C63 has been pretty amazing and people start comparing it to the E63, thanks to a near identical engine system. A few years ago nobody even thought about C55 vs E55.
I would like to see how C63 performs against E63 and E55, on a 1/4 mile drag strip, I wouldn't be surprised if the E55 walked away slowly and steadily.
I think we’re pretty much on the same page about who would be in the front on a real race track.

MB_Forever

Because the E63 and the C63 have the same engine, I think they will essentially produce the same power, and both will be tunable to 550 - 560 crank hp. What gives the C63 most advantage is size and weight. Essentially, you have two cars producing same hp but one (C63) weights 300 to 500 lbs less.

So stock vs stock, E63 is slightly faster,
but modded vs modded, the C63 will probably destroy the E63.

Please note however that the E63 has a MUCH BETTER ride quality, material quality (specially interior), feel, even stability, and 10 times better looks. The front-end of the C-Class looks good, but the back is identical to Hundai and other cheap cars; just NOT that unique!

KiwiRobbie

Well according to several tests (Car & EVO Magazines) and MB's own data the C63 is faster. Less weight makes up for the slight power disadvantage. I can't wait to see what the C63 Black Edition will be like.

MB_Forever

Actually, MB states on their website that the E63 goes from 0-60 in 4.3 seconds while CLK63 in 4.5 (same weight and about 20 more hp than C63).

We'll have to weight for more magazine tests to see actual numbers of the C63 stock