E63 vs the C63
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E63 vs the C63
Ok, my Dad just traded in his E55 for an E63 amg and I must say it is an awesome vehicle!
I have a Audi S4 and I'm looking to trade it in for an AMG but I want something different than what my Dad has but I want to be just as fast if not faster! Also, I have a friend that has a bmw M5 and a neighbor that has a audi RS4 so obviously I want to be faster than both of them.
Is the new C63 the way to go and keep up with the "Jones" and not be in the $90K price range? Is it faster than the E63, M5 or RS4? Should I go and get my name on the waiting list at Mercedes?
I have a Audi S4 and I'm looking to trade it in for an AMG but I want something different than what my Dad has but I want to be just as fast if not faster! Also, I have a friend that has a bmw M5 and a neighbor that has a audi RS4 so obviously I want to be faster than both of them.
Is the new C63 the way to go and keep up with the "Jones" and not be in the $90K price range? Is it faster than the E63, M5 or RS4? Should I go and get my name on the waiting list at Mercedes?
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From what I have read, the C63 will be faster than all of the mentioned cars.
Especially since it will be easily tuned to over 500hp as well. In addition it's a way better looking car than all the others mentioned too.
Especially since it will be easily tuned to over 500hp as well. In addition it's a way better looking car than all the others mentioned too.
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if beating those 'joneses' is your primary concern, and if $ is an issue go get a Z06.. game over.. 
otherwise 997TT and boost it >650HP+
but seriously, ppl who buy E63 are not just after the speed. it's the total pkg. more room/more luxury/better features than C63.
otherwise 997TT and boost it >650HP+
but seriously, ppl who buy E63 are not just after the speed. it's the total pkg. more room/more luxury/better features than C63.
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There is no way the C63 will be faster than the E63 or M5. At all.
Though the RS4 would probably get beat by C63 as it is in its class of competition.
Though the RS4 would probably get beat by C63 as it is in its class of competition.
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Your post gives us an idea about how old you are. You're longing for a fast car and your benchmark is your neighbor's car and your friend's.
So why don't you get an M3, join their forums and stay there. It fits your age, and I'm sure you'll find a lot more people of your maturity level
Bye nice to meet you.
So why don't you get an M3, join their forums and stay there. It fits your age, and I'm sure you'll find a lot more people of your maturity level
Bye nice to meet you.
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Your post gives us an idea about how old you are. You're longing for a fast car and your benchmark is your neighbor's car and your friend's.
So why don't you get an M3, join their forums and stay there. It fits your age, and I'm sure you'll find a lot more people of your maturity level
Bye nice to meet you.
So why don't you get an M3, join their forums and stay there. It fits your age, and I'm sure you'll find a lot more people of your maturity level
Bye nice to meet you.
give the n00b a break. he wants his dad to buy him a new ride. let him have some fun.
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Your post gives us an idea about how old you are. You're longing for a fast car and your benchmark is your neighbor's car and your friend's.
So why don't you get an M3, join their forums and stay there. It fits your age, and I'm sure you'll find a lot more people of your maturity level
Bye nice to meet you.
So why don't you get an M3, join their forums and stay there. It fits your age, and I'm sure you'll find a lot more people of your maturity level
Bye nice to meet you.
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Ok, my Dad just traded in his E55 for an E63 amg and I must say it is an awesome vehicle!
I have a Audi S4 and I'm looking to trade it in for an AMG but I want something different than what my Dad has but I want to be just as fast if not faster! Also, I have a friend that has a bmw M5 and a neighbor that has a audi RS4 so obviously I want to be faster than both of them.
Is the new C63 the way to go and keep up with the "Jones" and not be in the $90K price range? Is it faster than the E63, M5 or RS4? Should I go and get my name on the waiting list at Mercedes?
I have a Audi S4 and I'm looking to trade it in for an AMG but I want something different than what my Dad has but I want to be just as fast if not faster! Also, I have a friend that has a bmw M5 and a neighbor that has a audi RS4 so obviously I want to be faster than both of them.
Is the new C63 the way to go and keep up with the "Jones" and not be in the $90K price range? Is it faster than the E63, M5 or RS4? Should I go and get my name on the waiting list at Mercedes?
. And here I thought the Orange County was all about spoiled rich kids living the "image".Here's the way I see it. Dad worked hard to earn his E63. So did the neighbors. Before you feel the need to be better than Dad, try out-working him to earn your own E or C or whatever you want. And, it is not "obvious" why you have to be faster than Dad (when he is paying for the car in the first place) or the neighbors/friends.
Hopefully, by the time you earn it, you will have matured to the point you don't suffer from odd form of P-nis envy.
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And why not? The C63 has 457 Horses at 443 ft lb torque.
The E63 has 507 horsepower at 465 ft lb torque.
Sure the E class may weigh more but according to some stats I read, the E has a slightly better weight to power distribution ratio than the lighter more nimble C.
The C63 weighs 3650 lbs curb. The E63 is at around 4100 lbs curb.
My bet is still on the E. And why would Mercedes make the cheaper lower class of competition C faster than the higher E?
The E63 has 507 horsepower at 465 ft lb torque.
Sure the E class may weigh more but according to some stats I read, the E has a slightly better weight to power distribution ratio than the lighter more nimble C.
The C63 weighs 3650 lbs curb. The E63 is at around 4100 lbs curb.
My bet is still on the E. And why would Mercedes make the cheaper lower class of competition C faster than the higher E?
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And why not? The C63 has 457 Horses at 443 ft lb torque.
The E63 has 507 horsepower at 465 ft lb torque.
Sure the E class may weigh more but according to some stats I read, the E has a slightly better weight to power distribution ratio than the lighter more nimble C.
The C63 weighs 3650 lbs curb. The E63 is at around 4100 lbs curb.
My bet is still on the E. And why would Mercedes make the cheaper lower class of competition C faster than the higher E?
The E63 has 507 horsepower at 465 ft lb torque.
Sure the E class may weigh more but according to some stats I read, the E has a slightly better weight to power distribution ratio than the lighter more nimble C.
The C63 weighs 3650 lbs curb. The E63 is at around 4100 lbs curb.
My bet is still on the E. And why would Mercedes make the cheaper lower class of competition C faster than the higher E?
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My feeling has always been nothing says entry level, no matter what trim, like a C-class. This has long been the ******* child of Mercedes-Benz and always will be. Where a company like BMW survives on its 3-series, a company like MB puts as little thought as possible into the C-class and merely attempts to target 20% or less of the market. That being said, a C-class is not a status symbol, so if you want a fast car that will turn heads, you need to find a different tool of choice. This may be hard for some of you to read, but just accept it. My recommendation to achieve what you desire is get a Porsche and mod the S*** out of it.
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E63 = 514 hp – unloaded = 1840 kg = 4057 lbs.
Ratio = 7.89 lb/hp
S63 = 525 hp – unloaded = 2070 kg = 4564 lbs
Ratio = 8.69 lb/hp
Which one is cheaper/lower? which one has a better ratio ? yeah… I rest my case.
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That being said, a C-class is not a status symbol, so if you want a fast car that will turn heads, you need to find a different tool of choice. This may be hard for some of you to read, but just accept it. My recommendation to achieve what you desire is get a Porsche and mod the S*** out of it.
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I'm not saying that C63 will be faster than E63. All I'm saying is that a lower class AMG doesn't always have to be slower than its bigger brother. Just to satisfy your curiosity and since we’re not talking about facts, lets go to Mercedes-AMG.com shall we.
E63 = 514 hp – unloaded = 1840 kg = 4057 lbs.
Ratio = 7.89 lb/hp
S63 = 525 hp – unloaded = 2070 kg = 4564 lbs
Ratio = 8.69 lb/hp
Which one is cheaper/lower? which one has a better ratio ? yeah… I rest my case.
E63 = 514 hp – unloaded = 1840 kg = 4057 lbs.
Ratio = 7.89 lb/hp
S63 = 525 hp – unloaded = 2070 kg = 4564 lbs
Ratio = 8.69 lb/hp
Which one is cheaper/lower? which one has a better ratio ? yeah… I rest my case.
You get what I'm saying, there's not even too many competeting high end luxury performance sedans like the S63 around. It's almost like the S63 is in a class by itself. Don't count in Maybach and the Rolls Royce Phantom. They're considered Ultra Luxury Sedans.
The E63 on the other hand...has the M5, RS6, CTS-V.
...
If the C63 were to be faster than the E, then people would buy the C and not the E. Buy the E for luxury needs? Hell... I don't even get enough leg room space in my M5 barely even...
You get it?
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I'm not saying that C63 will be faster than E63. All I'm saying is that a lower class AMG doesn't always have to be slower than its bigger brother. Just to satisfy your curiosity and since we’re not talking about facts, lets go to Mercedes-AMG.com shall we.
E63 = 514 hp – unloaded = 1840 kg = 4057 lbs.
Ratio = 7.89 lb/hp
S63 = 525 hp – unloaded = 2070 kg = 4564 lbs
Ratio = 8.69 lb/hp
Which one is cheaper/lower? which one has a better ratio ? yeah… I rest my case.
E63 = 514 hp – unloaded = 1840 kg = 4057 lbs.
Ratio = 7.89 lb/hp
S63 = 525 hp – unloaded = 2070 kg = 4564 lbs
Ratio = 8.69 lb/hp
Which one is cheaper/lower? which one has a better ratio ? yeah… I rest my case.
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My feeling has always been nothing says entry level, no matter what trim, like a C-class. This has long been the ******* child of Mercedes-Benz and always will be. Where a company like BMW survives on its 3-series, a company like MB puts as little thought as possible into the C-class and merely attempts to target 20% or less of the market. That being said, a C-class is not a status symbol, so if you want a fast car that will turn heads, you need to find a different tool of choice. This may be hard for some of you to read, but just accept it. My recommendation to achieve what you desire is get a Porsche and mod the S*** out of it.
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The S63 has more weight per HP at 8.69 pounds for each 1 HP.
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My feeling has always been nothing says entry level, no matter what trim, like a C-class. This has long been the ******* child of Mercedes-Benz and always will be. Where a company like BMW survives on its 3-series, a company like MB puts as little thought as possible into the C-class and merely attempts to target 20% or less of the market.
2006:
E-Class 50,195
C-Class 50,187
2005:
E-Class 50,383
C-Class 60,658
2004:
E-Class 58,954
C-Class 69,251
2003:
E-Class 55,683
C-Class 65,982
2002:
E-Class 42,598
C-Class 64,025
Also, if you add the other chassis' built of C-Class (CLK) and E-Class (CLS) the numbers still favor the C-Class.
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Just to let you know... there's not even too much competition for the S63 at all. I mean there's no BMW M7... and the Audi S8 is no match...
You get what I'm saying, there's not even too many competeting high end luxury performance sedans like the S63 around. It's almost like the S63 is in a class by itself. Don't count in Maybach and the Rolls Royce Phantom. They're considered Ultra Luxury Sedans.
The E63 on the other hand...has the M5, RS6, CTS-V.
You get what I'm saying, there's not even too many competeting high end luxury performance sedans like the S63 around. It's almost like the S63 is in a class by itself. Don't count in Maybach and the Rolls Royce Phantom. They're considered Ultra Luxury Sedans.
The E63 on the other hand...has the M5, RS6, CTS-V.
First of all, you are of the opinion that AMG won't let any model to be faster than its higher class. And I've proven to you that AMG has already done so. Period. That's the point.
And now suddenly you're bringing competition with other makes into the equation. Well I'm a little confused here. You just said that there's no way AMG would make any model to be faster than its higher class. But now you're saying that AMG deliberately let S63 to be slower than E63 because S63 doesn't have any competition in its class. I think you just contradicted yourself.
Well, looks like they've figured out that people have various reasons behind their decission in purchasing a particular car. Not just because one is faster than the other. That's why they have 12 - 13 classes in the US. That's why they have 3 different SUVs, 2 different coupes, two different roadsters. Some people don't care if their car is slower than the cheaper models. They bought an E63 because they wanted an E, and they wanted it to be the top model within the series, and fast.
If the market was indeed like what you've described (people wouldn't buy E63 just because C63 was faster), then nobody would buy CL63 because according to AMG stats CLK63 is faster.
Again, I'm not saying that C63 will be faster than E63. There's no proven fact yet, and there's a chance that your intuition turns out to be right at the end of the day. Who knows. But when you said "there's no way", I had to beg to differ because the facts have indicated otherwise.
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No, I still don't get it. Please forgive my stupidity. But..
First of all, you are of the opinion that AMG won't let any model to be faster than its higher class. And I've proven to you that AMG has already done so. Period. That's the point.
And now suddenly you're bringing competition with other makes into the equations. Well I'm a little confused here. You just said that there's no way AMG would make any model to be faster than its higher class. But now you're saying that AMG deliberately let S63 to be slower than E63 because S63 doesn't have any competition in its class. I think you just contradicted yourself.
Well, looks like they've figured out that people have various reasons behind their decission in purchasing a particular car. Not just because one is faster than the other. That's why they have 12 - 13 classes in the US. That's why they have 3 different SUVs, 2 different coupes, two different roadsters. Some people don't care if their car is slower than the cheaper models. They bought an E63 because they want an E, and they want it to be the top model within the series, and fast.
If the market was indeed like what you've described (people wouldn't buy E63 just because C63 was faster), then nobody would buy CL63 because according to AMG stats CLK63 is faster.
Again, I'm not saying that C63 will be faster than E63. There's no proven fact yet, and there's a chance that your intuition turns out to be right at the end of the day. Who knows. But when you said "there's no way", I had to beg to differ because the facts have indicated otherwise.
First of all, you are of the opinion that AMG won't let any model to be faster than its higher class. And I've proven to you that AMG has already done so. Period. That's the point.
And now suddenly you're bringing competition with other makes into the equations. Well I'm a little confused here. You just said that there's no way AMG would make any model to be faster than its higher class. But now you're saying that AMG deliberately let S63 to be slower than E63 because S63 doesn't have any competition in its class. I think you just contradicted yourself.
Well, looks like they've figured out that people have various reasons behind their decission in purchasing a particular car. Not just because one is faster than the other. That's why they have 12 - 13 classes in the US. That's why they have 3 different SUVs, 2 different coupes, two different roadsters. Some people don't care if their car is slower than the cheaper models. They bought an E63 because they want an E, and they want it to be the top model within the series, and fast.
If the market was indeed like what you've described (people wouldn't buy E63 just because C63 was faster), then nobody would buy CL63 because according to AMG stats CLK63 is faster.
Again, I'm not saying that C63 will be faster than E63. There's no proven fact yet, and there's a chance that your intuition turns out to be right at the end of the day. Who knows. But when you said "there's no way", I had to beg to differ because the facts have indicated otherwise.
Let's just wait till the C is released and some people from this board do some races or rolls.
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E is the same size as the 5 series so confused about your phrasing. I think leg room is fine in the midrange and I think they make the best compromise of luxury and sportiness if rear passengers are a regular thing.
