patrick_y

The Video:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/4071008....w-e90-m3-sedan

from www.germancarfans.com

I wouldn't count BMW out of the 4 door compact supercar race just yet!

However, with so many M3 orders being lost to the 135i, maybe the C63 AMG might get some competition from the 135i.

SeattleBum

You might be right...especially since you could buy 1.5 135i's for the price of the C63. Imagine what you could do to that 135 for the money you've saved. Then again, the C63 will be more rare and will more easily and dependably reach 500+ hp.

FlymanPS

Only proble of new C63 is interior it look like from 20k car i`m really confused why MB made it to look so cheap inside

termigni

have you honestly sat in a C class in person? looked like a proper 35k car for me when i sat in a C300 last week. with AMG pieces, i'm sure it will look even hotter.

termigni

sure 135 will be a fast car. but i doubt C63 will be driven by everyone and their grandmas when it comes out.

termigni

where is your sources? i thought 135 didn't even come out yet, let alone M3s are just being shipped now as we speak. c63 and M3 are in totally different market from 135i.

FlymanPS

I should say 6.3 engine and crazy hot exterior make new C63 headturner, and about the interior, AMG6.3 engine is like a 10kg can of black caviar on a diner tabel you cant think anything about else when you see it but anyway the interior is crap For me take M3 interior and install it to C63 and you will have an ideal car

Drop-a-Daimler

From the article link: "... The M3 Saloon can go from zero to 62mph in 4.9 seconds, only 0.1 seconds slower than the M3 Coupé, with a top speed of 155mph...." This is very disappointing and unimpressive if it's true for such a high end and talked about car. These are C55 numbers at best. I think it has a lot more in it than that. It better!

360_iti

I have, many times. Although I'm not sure whether it looks like a proper 35k car or not, I have to say the updated W203 center console was well designed, better than the W204, and to be honest I still can't get over its ugliness. Although other cars in the same class also have the same kind of flat black plastics on their console (including the updated W203), but they were able to design around it to limit its size. So I think it’s not so much about the materials, but more like the layout. However, the display gauges on the W204 look really good.

Drop-a-Daimler

306bhp, 400lb-ft DOHC 24v biturbo 3.0L 6, 6MT, double wishbones, coil overs, five link rear, 6 piston brakes up front, DSC and DTC defeatable, active steering, variable ratio steering, 3280 lbs ... MF'n Hot! Me likie!!!

AWDman

you sure? 400 ft lbs? 3280 lbs?
last i read it was 200 lbs less than the 335i coupe and has same power.

PC Valkyrie

Those acceleration numbers are factory numbers, which are always conservative. Just to give you some perspective, both the E46 M3 and W203 C55 had a 0-100km/h (62mph) time of 5.2 seconds from the factory.

The new M3 will be DEFINITELY faster than the E46 M3 and W203 C55 in every way.

Drop-a-Daimler

Yeah, agreed. I've been accused elsewhere of mag racing but I've read at least 2 reviews each that put the new M3 and the C63 in the (traction limited) 4.5 range. I do like the technology in the new Bimmer (and the 135i for that matter), but I am a sucker for big cubes and monster torque. I'd take the C63 first (since we're not talking about the CLK63 Black here). And although I am seeing 4.8's stock on my C55, I know it's more of a traction limitation for the M3 and C63 and from a roll they would both romp on my M113 E55 motor. When I jumped on the C55 I was also looking at one of the (very few) used 335i sedans and while they are probably similar in E/Ts, the more-torque-than-horsepower and bigger N/A motor in the MB did it for me. Plus it had way fewer miles and was $6K less.

jtc55

u can have the M3 interior, my wish would be for the C63 to have the interior of the Audi S5

chiphomme

400 ft lbs seems a tad high. The new M3 has less than 300 and my M6 has less than 400.

I think it might be 300, which is still incredible for a small Bimmer.

TopGun32

400lb torque ??? are you mixing up your Euro Nm vs TQ?

with a procede 1.47 or v2 YES!

not stock.

the 3L TT is putting down 275+ RWHP and about 280+RWTQ on average.. so its easily putting down around 320hp/325TQ

with procede, AA exede.. its making nice gains.. but traps are not as high as you would think.

They are quick.. but traps speeds have yet broken the 110 here in the states, on a official time slip and official 1/4 track.

The 135 will be a bit faster than the 335 coupe or sedan and it will probably be the next "track car" for many enthusiasts...

but let's not compare a 135 to a C63..

we all can take a CRX and modded to run 10's.. or an SRT-4 or GTO, or Mustand ... ect.. ect

that type of logic is really poor at best..

We all want the most bang for the buck.. but at the same time we can't compare to different product types.

M, C63, RS4, CTS-V are in the same product type

135, Mazda Speed3, STI, Evo, SRT-4, Mini S are on another..

Andy7oaks

The 1 series looks pretty cool, except for the styling which makes the car look heavy and the wheels too small. ..again, like the 5 series.

Problem with the M3 saloon, still looks like a Mitsubishi Carisma from the back. The M3 coupe looks like an Audi.

The new M3 will not age well. The front looks too plasticky and will look tired in years to come.

The M3 needs the nose off the 5 series, that is a seriously good looking front end.

Regards

Andy

lucky6600

I like the idea of 1 series, powerful engine married a small chase. However, the couple style looks really goofy especially after the B-pillin.

M3 and C63 are totally different level of 1 series. 1 series is more like a kid car in front of those two.

However, back to the topic, C63 has much better style then M3 saden. My point of view, MB and BMW have very different typle of buyer. For some reason, I always think MB ages much better than BMW.

rahulanand1130

hmm that 135i looks like a pretty bad *** little beemer. Whats the suspected MSRP on it?

SeattleBum

I sat in a C350 the other day and I thought it looked pretty nice. Materials had a decent feel and the layout was pretty well thought-out. I also sat in a CLS550 and, WOW!

Now, realize that I'm currently sitting in a CTS-V on a daily basis and you can probably understand why I don't think the C-class interior is cheap-looking.

TopGun32

The front is okay in my eyes.. but the rear is bad.

It looks like just an ordinary 335 with 4 pipes. I guess its the rear tailights which are very odd to begin.

The C63, from the front, side and rear you will notice a big difference from your C350 with AMG package to the real "deal"

But I like the 4 door option, and it will be a nice machine.

4 door, v8 and hopefully DSG soon, it would be a nice practical car with performance of a sports car.

Drop-a-Daimler

You're right, I saw 400 on the spec sheet for torque but it was Nm not ft-lbs. It's rated at 295 ft-lbs @ 1300 rpm. Sorry.

ProjectC55

I've seen a modded C55 run the 1/4 mile in 12.5 secs at 111mph so I guess this might be the only way to keep the C55 competitive with the new M3.
I would wait to see what the M3 does at the track.

lucky6600

Personally, the number of 0-60mile or 1/4 miles mean nothing to me. How I feel when I am driving the car is the only I care about. 0.2 sec. faster or slower does not mean you can take the other car on the street. How the car act in real life and reliability over period of the time are also important?

Bottle line, are you a MB or BMW person?

DuaneC55

It will be interesting to see which car handles better. Both my AMG's are runners but not nearly as balanced in the turns as my M-3. Hopefully MBZ will get the handling on the C63 right this time and the M-3 won't get softer as it has every year.