Coming Soon C63 vs M3 vs RS4
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so you don't know what the specs are? why would you want one then?
Car and Driver has them at:
"VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 2+2-passenger, 2-door coupe
ESTIMATED BASE PRICE: $85,000
ENGINE TYPE: twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve V-6, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection
Displacement: 232 cu in, 3799cc
Power (SAE net): 480 bhp @ 6400 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 434 lb-ft @ 3200 rpm
TRANSMISSION: 6-speed manual with automated shifting and clutch
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 109.4 in Length: 183.1 in Width: 74.6 in Height: 54.0 in
Curb weight: 3800 lb
PERFORMANCE (MFR’S EST):
Zero to 60 mph: 3.5 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.7 sec
PROJECTED FUEL ECONOMY (C/D EST):
EPA city driving: 15 mpg
EPA highway driving: 22 mpg"
Though I have read it lapped the 'ring in less than 7:35 in the wet. That's amazing.
Car and Driver has them at:
"VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 2+2-passenger, 2-door coupe
ESTIMATED BASE PRICE: $85,000
ENGINE TYPE: twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve V-6, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection
Displacement: 232 cu in, 3799cc
Power (SAE net): 480 bhp @ 6400 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 434 lb-ft @ 3200 rpm
TRANSMISSION: 6-speed manual with automated shifting and clutch
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 109.4 in Length: 183.1 in Width: 74.6 in Height: 54.0 in
Curb weight: 3800 lb
PERFORMANCE (MFR’S EST):
Zero to 60 mph: 3.5 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.7 sec
PROJECTED FUEL ECONOMY (C/D EST):
EPA city driving: 15 mpg
EPA highway driving: 22 mpg"
Though I have read it lapped the 'ring in less than 7:35 in the wet. That's amazing.
I do know that it will have a dual clutch sequential, awd, all wheel steering, Nurburgring times eclipsing the 997TT, V6 Twin Turbo, and I know how it looks.
For this car to be on par with or even beat the Porsche 997TT then it will be an amazing car. I will NOT leave this car anywhere close to stock so I think it will be the perfect platform for me to build a monster. Skylines have always meant ridiculous hp numbers and this one will be no different. I want this car so I can mod it to a nice horsepower level and have fun with it. The all wheel drive will enable the power to get down to the ground, the dual clutch will be a superior transmission to anything else out there, the handling is one of the best in the world, and its brand new and unique.
Fair enough?
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I've seen those specs already but those are not OFFICIAL. HP ratings have been anywhere from 450-550hp. I think the 472hp figure is official one but I believe it will dyno closer to 500hp.
I do know that it will have a dual clutch sequential, awd, all wheel steering, Nurburgring times eclipsing the 997TT, V6 Twin Turbo, and I know how it looks.
For this car to be on par with or even beat the Porsche 997TT then it will be an amazing car. I will NOT leave this car anywhere close to stock so I think it will be the perfect platform for me to build a monster. Skylines have always meant ridiculous hp numbers and this one will be no different. I want this car so I can mod it to a nice horsepower level and have fun with it. The all wheel drive will enable the power to get down to the ground, the dual clutch will be a superior transmission to anything else out there, the handling is one of the best in the world, and its brand new and unique.
Fair enough?
I do know that it will have a dual clutch sequential, awd, all wheel steering, Nurburgring times eclipsing the 997TT, V6 Twin Turbo, and I know how it looks.
For this car to be on par with or even beat the Porsche 997TT then it will be an amazing car. I will NOT leave this car anywhere close to stock so I think it will be the perfect platform for me to build a monster. Skylines have always meant ridiculous hp numbers and this one will be no different. I want this car so I can mod it to a nice horsepower level and have fun with it. The all wheel drive will enable the power to get down to the ground, the dual clutch will be a superior transmission to anything else out there, the handling is one of the best in the world, and its brand new and unique.
Fair enough?
First off, congrats. I'm not here to insult your choice. It looks like a beast.
I'm just a little baffled if it really weighs 3800lbs. The 2 year old Z06 weighs under 3200.
And are you saying it dynos to 500 at the wheels?
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To tell you the truth, I have no idea what the car will dyno. Skylines of the past have been ridiculously under-rated from the factory. It could be the same with this one as power/weight ratio is so drastic from the Corvette Z06 and even the 997GT3 and TT.
I am just as confused as you are in regards to weight and power. I'm not sure if its just the fact that the technology is that much more superior than every other car, who knows? The Tokyo Motor Show should resolve most of these issues.
My guess is that this car is putting out a lot more hp than the manufacturer will list, just because it seems like it needs that type of power to move that much weight.
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Honestly, I don't think it will best the Z06, just because the Z06 is a lightweight high horsepower race car in street clothing.
But I don't think most people care too much because they're in it for boost.
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to beat a stock Z06
you need an M6 with $20k worth of mods.. and by the way
you need 7 gears..
The GTR will need to have atleat ECU tuning to keep up.. depending on its gearing.
Draf Coef is very nice.. .27 and AWD will help the launch..
I would say high 11's no problem with traps of around 118 to 119
very nice performance for $80k
I like the car. It has 2 small back seats, AWD, turbo and DSG.
its a winner in my book!
you need an M6 with $20k worth of mods.. and by the way
you need 7 gears..
The GTR will need to have atleat ECU tuning to keep up.. depending on its gearing.
Draf Coef is very nice.. .27 and AWD will help the launch..
I would say high 11's no problem with traps of around 118 to 119
very nice performance for $80k
I like the car. It has 2 small back seats, AWD, turbo and DSG.
its a winner in my book!
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The test everyone is waiting for (me including), but still its the wrong test. This combination is based on the old concept that M3 is only available as a coupe.
So the real comparison should be the RS4 sedan vs the soon arriving M3 sedan vs the C63 sedan or the current M3 vs CLK 63...
So the real comparison should be the RS4 sedan vs the soon arriving M3 sedan vs the C63 sedan or the current M3 vs CLK 63...
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The test everyone is waiting for (me including), but still its the wrong test. This combination is based on the old concept that M3 is only available as a coupe.
So the real comparison should be the RS4 sedan vs the soon arriving M3 sedan vs the C63 sedan or the current M3 vs CLK 63...
So the real comparison should be the RS4 sedan vs the soon arriving M3 sedan vs the C63 sedan or the current M3 vs CLK 63...
I think the M3 vs RS4 vs C63 is a perfect comparison and its mor than fair. 2 doors don't mean ****e other than weight and maybe slightly different balance.
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The M3 sedan isn't out yet and the CLK63 is almost $100,000...the CLK BS is over $125,000...fair comparison? I think not.
I think the M3 vs RS4 vs C63 is a perfect comparison and its mor than fair. 2 doors don't mean ****e other than weight and maybe slightly different balance.
I think the M3 vs RS4 vs C63 is a perfect comparison and its mor than fair. 2 doors don't mean ****e other than weight and maybe slightly different balance.
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The CLK is its own platform. Although it has a "C" in its nomenclature, it has always been positioned above the C class sedans. All of MB's coupes are considered a step up from their sedan brethren. Isn't the CL one of the most expensive MB's?
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Yes it is placed above, I'm not talking about the naming, I'm talking about the chassis, the CLK used the same platform as the c class did, the CL used the same chassis as the S-class. While the CLK is placed above the C, it is essentially the same car with different aesthetics and 2 doors instead of four, a lot of the underpinnings are the same, or at least they used to be when it first came out. I'm not aware of that having changed.
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http://www.topspeed.com/cars/mercede...ss-ar1211.html
You will find similar information at other sites if you do a search, CLK is indeed based on the c-class, so I don't see why it wouldn't be considered competition for the m3.
The Mercedes-Benz W209 cars have been produced since 2002. They are sold under the CLK-Class model names. The W209 is based on the W203 C-Class. It replaced the C208 CLK-Class after 2004 which were the first car to carry the CLK moniker.
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The RS4 will be discontinued after this year. Audi is rumored to be producing the RS5 for next year. If that car is real, it should be included in the comparison, though it is a 2-door.
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http://www.topspeed.com/cars/mercede...ss-ar1211.html
You will find similar information at other sites if you do a search, CLK is indeed based on the c-class, so I don't see why it wouldn't be considered competition for the m3.
You will find similar information at other sites if you do a search, CLK is indeed based on the c-class, so I don't see why it wouldn't be considered competition for the m3.
Funny, when MB needed a longer snout for the C55, it had to use the CLK platform to fit the V8. I stand my original comment: It's a separate platform.
PS: yes, I know you can punch holes in my argument if you want. The fact of the matter is, MB markets the car that way and people buy it that way. Perception is everything.
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Yeah the old CLK (W208) was definitely based off the W202 chassis--it even had the same recirculating ball steering that the W203 replaced with rack and pinion. So the W209 (and the R171) are based off the W203 chassis.
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Its sounds like an amazing car but honestly not that awwwed by it....even though it did better then cars twice its price it still looks like a ordinary but supped up nissan....the original has more distinction to it and I bet a modded older version skyline will prove its still better in many areas...also I never got my answer for my question but bought the motor trend magazine and #1 is still considered the Bmer with about 30+hp less....have to wait for other reviews....C63 is closer to that moniker but not quite there yet according to these results.
