c63 vs e63
03-01-2008, 12:24 PM
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C63 will be faster than E63 without a doubt. Its simply physics: same power, less weight = C63 faster. In the good old days, the performance gap between C55 and E55 was enormous. Why did AMG decide to use the same engine in all of their cars? Doesn't make any rational sense to me.
Its like BMW putting V10 in the M3 or Porsche putting 3.8L into a cayman. BMW and Porsche don't do this because it will take sales away from their higher end cars. Why can't Mercedes figure out this simple fact is beyond me
Its like BMW putting V10 in the M3 or Porsche putting 3.8L into a cayman. BMW and Porsche don't do this because it will take sales away from their higher end cars. Why can't Mercedes figure out this simple fact is beyond me
03-01-2008, 10:25 PM
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Only a handful of people (us, in this forum) knew about this.
03-02-2008, 06:51 AM
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Oh they knew about it, that's for sure. That's why they didn't disclose the real hp numbers to the public. That's why they claimed the C63 came with only 451 hp. Tha's why they claimed the E55 came with only 469 hp.
Only a handful of people (us, in this forum) knew about this.
Only a handful of people (us, in this forum) knew about this.
03-02-2008, 01:21 PM
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Oh they knew about it, that's for sure. That's why they didn't disclose the real hp numbers to the public. That's why they claimed the C63 came with only 451 hp. Tha's why they claimed the E55 came with only 469 hp.
Only a handful of people (us, in this forum) knew about this.
Only a handful of people (us, in this forum) knew about this.
I agree that the C63 is likely under rated.
03-02-2008, 01:25 PM
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Also, quicker and faster are two different terms. Quicker refers to rate of acceleration.
Faster refers to speed in a timed distance or terminal velocity. Electronic speed limiters aside and equalizing the available power at the wheels it will be the vehicle with the lowest TOTAL friction that will be faster.
Total friction at terminal velocity is usually mostly aerodynamic drag. Coefficient of drag is a relative number and needs to be combined with total surface area affecting airflow.
Quicker will be the vehicle that can transfer a higher average force per measure of weight (kilo or pound). When measuring to 60mph or 62mph and quarter mile the gearing can be a factor but with the advent the 7 speed transmission this is less of an issue. On paper and assuming the C63 engine is actually making the same or similar power to the E63... the C63 should be quicker. However, if you can get better traction off the line the E may be much closer or potentially faster.
Anyway you look at it on the street it will come down to driver abilty and 3 tenths of a second is not much.
Faster refers to speed in a timed distance or terminal velocity. Electronic speed limiters aside and equalizing the available power at the wheels it will be the vehicle with the lowest TOTAL friction that will be faster.
Total friction at terminal velocity is usually mostly aerodynamic drag. Coefficient of drag is a relative number and needs to be combined with total surface area affecting airflow.
Quicker will be the vehicle that can transfer a higher average force per measure of weight (kilo or pound). When measuring to 60mph or 62mph and quarter mile the gearing can be a factor but with the advent the 7 speed transmission this is less of an issue. On paper and assuming the C63 engine is actually making the same or similar power to the E63... the C63 should be quicker. However, if you can get better traction off the line the E may be much closer or potentially faster.
Anyway you look at it on the street it will come down to driver abilty and 3 tenths of a second is not much.
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03-02-2008, 09:47 PM
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most of ppl who ultimately buy these cars couldnt care less if one was 0.005 seconds faster to 60mph. and we know less than 1% of these cars will see any real track time.
E63 will appeal to a more mature crowd who like to fly lowkey & want more interior space and willing to sacrfice the penalty with more weight & size; C63 will be a dream-come-true ride for euro rice fanatics with all the extra bodykits & chrome.
both are awesome cars for sure, but appealing to different tastes
E63 will appeal to a more mature crowd who like to fly lowkey & want more interior space and willing to sacrfice the penalty with more weight & size; C63 will be a dream-come-true ride for euro rice fanatics with all the extra bodykits & chrome.
both are awesome cars for sure, but appealing to different tastes
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most of ppl who ultimately buy these cars couldnt care less if one was 0.005 seconds faster to 60mph. and we know less than 1% of these cars will see any real track time.
E63 will appeal to a more mature crowd who like to fly lowkey & want more interior space and willing to sacrfice the penalty with more weight & size; C63 will be a dream-come-true ride for euro rice fanatics with all the extra bodykits & chrome.
both are awesome cars for sure, but appealing to different tastes
E63 will appeal to a more mature crowd who like to fly lowkey & want more interior space and willing to sacrfice the penalty with more weight & size; C63 will be a dream-come-true ride for euro rice fanatics with all the extra bodykits & chrome.
both are awesome cars for sure, but appealing to different tastes
03-05-2008, 10:34 AM
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I think an important issue as seen with c55's is not how much power you have but if you can put it down. LSD is NECESSARY AND hopefully you will be able to stuff some serious meat in the back anyone know the largest you can stick on any w204's???
Looks like the w204 can fit more in the rear as a regular w204 off the forum fit 10" rear, but only ran a 255 hmm..
19x8.5 front 19x10 rear 235/35/19 and 255/30/19
Hopefully you can stuff a much wider front than 8.5.
Looks like the w204 can fit more in the rear as a regular w204 off the forum fit 10" rear, but only ran a 255 hmm..
19x8.5 front 19x10 rear 235/35/19 and 255/30/19
Hopefully you can stuff a much wider front than 8.5.
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V-12tt that puts down 738lb/ft in stock trim is King imo all else pales in comparison.
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03-06-2008, 05:09 PM
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The magazine times don't mean anything,merely a indication of what the magazine's data recorder logged(most mags don't take cars to an actual dragstrip to get there 1/4mi numbers).I have an actual timeslip from an actual dragstrip and 12 or so witnesses(many from this forum)
That was the point of my response you qouted
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03-06-2008, 05:41 PM
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I dunno,just lucky I guess.Theres about 14 pages of it in the W211 forum started by Juicee63
I'm still at least 2/10's quicker&2+mph faster the the next E63
I will be in the 11's this monday at our track rental&still stock
I'm still at least 2/10's quicker&2+mph faster the the next E63
I will be in the 11's this monday at our track rental&still stock
03-06-2008, 06:01 PM
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03-06-2008, 06:03 PM
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Since I'm in possession of the quickest&fastest bone stock E63 in the world at 12.12@117mph in order for the C63 to be faster&(quicker) then the E63;(the very existence of this thread by the way)the C63 would have to throw down a 12.11&post a trap speed besting 117mph.
The magazine times don't mean anything,merely a indication of what the magazine's data recorder logged(most mags don't take cars to an actual dragstrip to get there 1/4mi numbers).I have an actual timeslip from an actual dragstrip and 12 or so witnesses(many from this forum)
That was the point of my response you qouted
The magazine times don't mean anything,merely a indication of what the magazine's data recorder logged(most mags don't take cars to an actual dragstrip to get there 1/4mi numbers).I have an actual timeslip from an actual dragstrip and 12 or so witnesses(many from this forum)
That was the point of my response you qouted
.......we should be using the mid section the famous bell shaped curve. Will the average C63 be expected to be faster than the average E63? Yes the C63 will be faster. For the same reason that the average E63 is faster than the average S63.
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Because I have new tires&traction should not be an issue like it was last time.We shall see
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............not really. With that logic, there are W211 E55 that have run mid 11's bone stock. For E63 to be said to be anywhere near as fast as a W211 E55, then E63's will have to run faster than a mid 11sec et. Is this right? No
.......we should be using the mid section the famous bell shaped curve. Will the average C63 be expected to be faster than the average E63? Yes the C63 will be faster. For the same reason that the average E63 is faster than the average S63.
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.......we should be using the mid section the famous bell shaped curve. Will the average C63 be expected to be faster than the average E63? Yes the C63 will be faster. For the same reason that the average E63 is faster than the average S63.
Ted
The logic you are missing,need to understand&what you should apply is what I've repeated several times: Show me a 12.1 C63 timeslip.
No kidding theres stock 55's running mid 11's,thats pretty common knowledge ted
When you show me a timeslip that says 12.11 from a C63 I will jump up&down & cheer to the world the C63 is faster
Until that moment arrives,the showroom stock E63 in my garage is faster/quicker then any published/documented C63 time to date plain&simple.
Why try&stir the pot&twist my words around?
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