So wait a second The C63 is faster than the clk black series except around a track?
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And a C300 is still a C as is a C63.
An RS4 is still a A4 series
An M3 is still a 3 series
But no one compares an M3/RS4 to a C300, they compare it to a car with relevant performance, the C63. So the SL550 is compared to a 911 but not a 911 GT3. The CLK BS competition is the 911 GT3, not a 911.
An RS4 is still a A4 series
An M3 is still a 3 series
But no one compares an M3/RS4 to a C300, they compare it to a car with relevant performance, the C63. So the SL550 is compared to a 911 but not a 911 GT3. The CLK BS competition is the 911 GT3, not a 911.
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A C350 is a fine car but almost everyone here would rather have a C63 because it is a better, faster car. They made a DTM pace car based on the C class for this year's DTM series. If they released a version of it as they did for the CLK and asked $120K, for it, people will still buy it and they'll make more money.
They are just giving people what they want or at least some people who feel the need to have the best thing available or at least the best thing they can afford.
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And a C300 is still a C as is a C63.
An RS4 is still a A4 series
An M3 is still a 3 series
But no one compares an M3/RS4 to a C300, they compare it to a car with relevant performance, the C63. So the SL550 is compared to a 911 but not a 911 GT3. The CLK BS competition is the 911 GT3, not a 911.
An RS4 is still a A4 series
An M3 is still a 3 series
But no one compares an M3/RS4 to a C300, they compare it to a car with relevant performance, the C63. So the SL550 is compared to a 911 but not a 911 GT3. The CLK BS competition is the 911 GT3, not a 911.
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Probably because in 2007 the F1 pace car was a CLK that was track prepped, upgraded brakes, suspension, cooling, LSD, lightened, etc. So they already did all of the R&D on the CLK already.
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theres no SLK pace car, at least not that i know of, and theres a SLK BS. i just think that its kinda stupid to have two different cars compete in the same field. the SL and 911 are performance cars that are one notch from supercardom and the CLK, even AMG, really isnt there. the GT3 is definetly a supercar and to me it seems a lot more sensible to make a supercar version of the SL then of the CLK.
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Wow... allot of passion here about both cars.
Reminds me of women friends.
Some can, hopefully cook anything..
Some can, be iffy... at best to look at..
Some can, hopefully be great companions.
But there's only 350 CLK63 BS F1 Pace Cars here in USA, that can be called "Classic Beauty" to look at...
CLK63 BS
And yes, I possess one
MachC5
Reminds me of women friends.
Some can, hopefully cook anything..
Some can, be iffy... at best to look at..
Some can, hopefully be great companions.
But there's only 350 CLK63 BS F1 Pace Cars here in USA, that can be called "Classic Beauty" to look at...
CLK63 BSAnd yes, I possess one
MachC5
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Wow... allot of passion here about both cars.
Reminds me of women friends.
Some can, hopefully cook anything..
Some can, be iffy... at best to look at..
Some can, hopefully be great companions.
But there's only 350 CLK63 BS F1 Pace Cars here in USA, that can be called "Classic Beauty" to look at... CLK63 BS
And yes, I possess one
MachC5
Reminds me of women friends.
Some can, hopefully cook anything..
Some can, be iffy... at best to look at..
Some can, hopefully be great companions.
But there's only 350 CLK63 BS F1 Pace Cars here in USA, that can be called "Classic Beauty" to look at...
CLK63 BSAnd yes, I possess one
MachC5
I've seen pics of your garage.. What are you doing in this forum anyway?
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theres no SLK pace car, at least not that i know of, and theres a SLK BS. i just think that its kinda stupid to have two different cars compete in the same field. the SL and 911 are performance cars that are one notch from supercardom and the CLK, even AMG, really isnt there. the GT3 is definetly a supercar and to me it seems a lot more sensible to make a supercar version of the SL then of the CLK.
The SL is only available as a hard top convertible and has no back seat. Most 911s, even the TT have a back seat. The more direct competitor for the 911 is the CLK, both are available as a hard top top and a soft top. In the CLK BS and 911 GT3 the back seats for removed and the cars are very track oriented. I don't know why you think the SL is a more direct competitor to the 911 than the CLK.
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I don't think there is an MB model that is a direct competitor to the 911. The 911 is a purpose built sports car, as is the Boxster/Cayman. AMG takes sedans/coupes and makes them sporty. Not quite the same.
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It's the Same old... Same old...
Guys, from what I've been told the C63 is going to need a real dual exhaust system to make the big numbers on horse power. This info came from a Mercedes source.
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i would like to remind everyone that C63 is not the first C class which is the fastest model (almost) in mb lineup. and also not the first time a c class gets the same hp rating as the most expensive mb(or amg).
please remember between 2001-2003
S55(w220), E55(w210),CLK55(w210),CL55(w215)
they all shared the same 5.4L N/A V8 with 355hp
S55 and CL55 being the slowest due to heavier weight and CLK55 being the fastest due to ligther weight.
then there was the C32 which was a V6 but due to its supercharger it could make the same Hp as the 5.4L V8s and it was the lightest of all as well(and cheapest too)
in years between 2000 and 2003 , even S600 and CL600 were slowest in the line. they had 5.8L V12 N/A motor which produced 362 hp and mb rated 0-60 were 5.6 seconds a half second slower than (or more) C32 AMG.
no 65 engine before 2004.
after 2003 mb supercharged the 55s on E ,S and CL and twin turbo'd the 600.
maybe the same will happen here now.
please remember between 2001-2003
S55(w220), E55(w210),CLK55(w210),CL55(w215)
they all shared the same 5.4L N/A V8 with 355hp
S55 and CL55 being the slowest due to heavier weight and CLK55 being the fastest due to ligther weight.
then there was the C32 which was a V6 but due to its supercharger it could make the same Hp as the 5.4L V8s and it was the lightest of all as well(and cheapest too)
in years between 2000 and 2003 , even S600 and CL600 were slowest in the line. they had 5.8L V12 N/A motor which produced 362 hp and mb rated 0-60 were 5.6 seconds a half second slower than (or more) C32 AMG.
no 65 engine before 2004.
after 2003 mb supercharged the 55s on E ,S and CL and twin turbo'd the 600.
maybe the same will happen here now.
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C43, SLK32, CLK63 Black Series
In AMG trim... I think the CLK63 coupe competes more directly with the 911 TT than the SL does, the CLK63 conv competes more directory with the 911 TT conv than the SL, and the CLK63 BS is pretty much a direct competitor to the 911 GT3. What SL competes with the 911 GT3? The SL63 is not a track prepped car, both the GT3 and CLKBS are and are at a similar price point. The SL65BS will be track prepped but will cost north of $200K. I think the GT2 is more likely a competitor to the SL65BS.
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