So wait a second The C63 is faster than the clk black series except around a track?
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So wait a second The C63 is faster than the clk black series except around a track?
Is this true? So for almost a little more than half the price of a clk black series you get the same engine with less horsepower in a car that is faster....... Am I missing something here?
ANd lets get over the black series body kit on a clk for a sec please because we all know that this is just a redone clk chasis on the clk black..........
The only advantage is that it is faster around a track? WTF?
ANd lets get over the black series body kit on a clk for a sec please because we all know that this is just a redone clk chasis on the clk black..........
The only advantage is that it is faster around a track? WTF?
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Is this true? So for almost a little more than half the price of a clk black series you get the same engine with less horsepower in a car that is faster....... Am I missing something here?
ANd lets get over the black series body kit on a clk for a sec please because we all know that this is just a redone clk chasis on the clk black..........
The only advantage is that it is faster around a track? WTF?
ANd lets get over the black series body kit on a clk for a sec please because we all know that this is just a redone clk chasis on the clk black..........
The only advantage is that it is faster around a track? WTF?
CLK63 Black
0-60: 4.0
0-100: 9.4
1/4 mile: 12.4 @ 116mph
C63 AMG:
0-60: 3.9
0-100: 9.2
1/4 mile: 12.3 @ 116mph
( Source: www.caranddriver.com CLK63BS review and C63 comparison test)
And I completely agree that Mercedes's current engine choices are irrational and seem to go against common sense. C-class AMG is not supposed to have the same engine as SL-class AMG. In the current lineup, the cheapest AMG car is actually faster than the most expensive AMG car, the SL63 AMG. How would SL63 owners feel when the lowly $60,000 C63 is faster than their $140,000 top-end AMG? Not very good I suppose. Thank God they decided not to mess with the V12's at least. Hopefully Mercedes execs come to their senses and introduce the forced induction version of the 6.2L for higher end AMG's.
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Is this true? So for almost a little more than half the price of a clk black series you get the same engine with less horsepower in a car that is faster....... Am I missing something here?
ANd lets get over the black series body kit on a clk for a sec please because we all know that this is just a redone clk chasis on the clk black..........
The only advantage is that it is faster around a track? WTF?
ANd lets get over the black series body kit on a clk for a sec please because we all know that this is just a redone clk chasis on the clk black..........
The only advantage is that it is faster around a track? WTF?
Everyone is different.
What would **** me off (if I had a CLK63 Black Series), however, is the fact that the C63 gets AMG Speedshift PLUS, which offers automatic throttle blips on downshifts. This is something the CLK63 Black Series does not have.
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that is another excellent point, the c63 has speedshift plus which makes for an even more involving/engaging/rewarding experience when shifting which is coming ever so close to what a manual feels like.
Another negative that the clk 63 black has compred to c63.
And I used to be so in love with the black series when it came out, but it always bothered me that the porsche gt3 and others were cheaper than this car and in fact faster, better, and more engaging for a cheaper price.
I just don't get mercedes sometimes. They reall need to get their model hierarchy in check again. Although for me, this is a plus because we don't have to pay an arm and a leg anymore for arguably the BEST driving experience amg currently has to offer in the C63
Another negative that the clk 63 black has compred to c63.
And I used to be so in love with the black series when it came out, but it always bothered me that the porsche gt3 and others were cheaper than this car and in fact faster, better, and more engaging for a cheaper price.
I just don't get mercedes sometimes. They reall need to get their model hierarchy in check again. Although for me, this is a plus because we don't have to pay an arm and a leg anymore for arguably the BEST driving experience amg currently has to offer in the C63
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Yeah I know, but I'm talking about the best driving experience. The s65 and all the 65 models are the fastest and most expensive except for slr, but compared to the c63 driving experience is not even close according to all these reviews. And as far as speed. 0-60 times ranging from 3.9-4.1 is amg 65 territory.
But at least the price is understandable with the 65 models like the s65 you get all the space and luxury and prestige of having the biggest fastes most expensive benzes out there, which is quite different than the amg 63 clk black series.
But at least the price is understandable with the 65 models like the s65 you get all the space and luxury and prestige of having the biggest fastes most expensive benzes out there, which is quite different than the amg 63 clk black series.
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The CLK 63 BS is much more of a driver's car than the C63. Even though the C63 did borrow the CLK's front axle and engine, but that's as close as it gets. The CLK63 is more for a person who prefers a unique Benz just to be different, but for the same price you can get a 911 Turbo. The decision would be easy for me, but that doesn't mean there won't be a select few out there who prefer a BS.
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The CLK 63 BS is much more of a driver's car than the C63. Even though the C63 did borrow the CLK's front axle and engine, but that's as close as it gets. The CLK63 is more for a person who prefers a unique Benz just to be different, but for the same price you can get a 911 Turbo. The decision would be easy for me, but that doesn't mean there won't be a select few out there who prefer a BS.
I know many people who would pick the baby Aston Martin over a C63 although the c63 will wipe its *** with it in all performance categories.
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Whatever the case it sounds like the new C63 will be the budget tuner MB car to get cause it seems like just an ECU flash can free up the power to over 500 hp which will make alot of 500 hp cars feel slower by comparison...
I wonder how a stock C63 will do against a stock C6 ZO6?
I wonder how a stock C63 will do against a stock C6 ZO6?
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Whatever the case it sounds like the new C63 will be the budget tuner MB car to get cause it seems like just an ECU flash can free up the power to over 500 hp which will make alot of 500 hp cars feel slower by comparison...
I wonder how a stock C63 will do against a stock C6 ZO6?
I wonder how a stock C63 will do against a stock C6 ZO6?
and with 500hp re-map it will be a good match on the highway(the 7 speed gearing helps a bit for hwy speeds), out of the hole the Z06 has a slight weight advantage that will be hard to beat with an experienced driver shifting and clutching the z06. the SMG in my M6 shifts so fast and smooth it chirps the first 4 gears perfectly, so you will always pick up time against someone manually shifting and clutching-- i am just hoping the new tranny and programming in the c63 will be just as quick as the SMG.
they probably gave car and driver a c63 with an ecu remap! because no other 3800lb car is doing 0-60 in 3.9 with under 500hp (skyline excluded--all wheel drive tubro engaged launch control not fair lol)--
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They are consistantly 0.5 seconds faster than what MBUSA claims.
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I saw one in person the price on these cars are $298,000..biggest rip off ever!!!!!!
The only difference is it comes with carbon trim interior; different leather, (Liquid Metal) paint and a carbon diffuser...no one would be able to tell the difference!
If your going to sell a car for that price, give it more horsepower or change the body a little
My brother was going to buy one, but for that price there a lot different exotic cars that he can choose
The only difference is it comes with carbon trim interior; different leather, (Liquid Metal) paint and a carbon diffuser...no one would be able to tell the difference!
If your going to sell a car for that price, give it more horsepower or change the body a little
My brother was going to buy one, but for that price there a lot different exotic cars that he can choose
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lol CLK BLACK will murder the C , in straight , around the track , looks , exclusivity , everything i can't bealive some people are looking at 0-60 times , lmao it's like you're all 17 here , 0-60 dont mean **** , they all get there in 4 sec , you wont even notice it , it wont reflect your race , it all matters how you start off the line , it's so many options , just look at the trap speed and then judge , a stock evo from the stop is gonna murder it if the driver knows how to launch but whats gona happen in 3 seconds , the clk bs or c63 will blow it away like it as going backwards , even tho in the mag they state evo's are leik 5 sec 0-60
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I obviously realize that the most expensive AMG's are 65's, hence I said "thank God they decided not to mess with the V12". I was referring to the most expensive 63 AMG's, such as the $140,000 SL63 and how they are not faster than the cheapest 63 AMG's like C63. Would it make sense to you if the last gen C55 was as fast as SL55? Why didn't Mercedes use supercharged 5.4L engines on all last-gen 55's? That is what's happening now, same engine in both low and high end AMG's. Makes sense? I don't think so.
If you look at my post, I posted "0-60", "0-100" and "1/4 mile" times. According to these tests, they both have a trap speed of 116mph and with C63 getting there 1/10 of a second faster
lol CLK BLACK will murder the C , in straight , around the track , looks , exclusivity , everything i can't bealive some people are looking at 0-60 times , lmao it's like you're all 17 here , 0-60 dont mean **** , they all get there in 4 sec , you wont even notice it , it wont reflect your race , it all matters how you start off the line , it's so many options , just look at the trap speed and then judge , a stock evo from the stop is gonna murder it if the driver knows how to launch but whats gona happen in 3 seconds , the clk bs or c63 will blow it away like it as going backwards , even tho in the mag they state evo's are leik 5 sec 0-60
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I obviously realize that the most expensive AMG's are 65's, hence I said "thank God they decided not to mess with the V12". I was referring to the most expensive 63 AMG's, such as the $140,000 SL63 and how they are not faster than the cheapest 63 AMG's like C63. Would it make sense to you if the last gen C55 was as fast as SL55? Why didn't Mercedes use supercharged 5.4L engines on all last-gen 55's? That is what's happening now, same engine in both low and high end AMG's. Makes sense? I don't think so.
If you look at my post, I posted "0-60", "0-100" and "1/4 mile" times. According to these tests, they both have a trap speed of 116mph and with C63 getting there 1/10 of a second faster
If you look at my post, I posted "0-60", "0-100" and "1/4 mile" times. According to these tests, they both have a trap speed of 116mph and with C63 getting there 1/10 of a second faster
Are they so focused on the C63 taking M3 market share (and its halo, if you will, as a magazine/journalist favorite) that they are prepared to 'dilute' the other 63 AMG series cars?
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For this to have any meaning the cars would have to be tested on the same track at the same time. It doesn't make any sense. The CLK63 Black Series is a little lighter, has an LSD, has sticker tires, and supposedly has more hp (the jury is out on more hp until someone dynos, CLK63 Black does about 420 whp like pretty much all of there 500 hp MBs). I know this is a C63 forum but if it sounds too good to be true it probably is. I could tell you that a CLK63 Black Series has done an 11.9 @ 118 (which one has) but again, it would need to be compared on the same track at the same time with a C63 and then we'd know. Also, from a dig would depend on driver skill of launching so a rolling test would be better.
According to C&D tests, they are pretty much dead even in acceleration, with C63 having slight advantage:
CLK63 Black
0-60: 4.0
0-100: 9.4
1/4 mile: 12.4 @ 116mph
C63 AMG:
0-60: 3.9
0-100: 9.2
1/4 mile: 12.3 @ 116mph
( Source: www.caranddriver.com CLK63BS review and C63 comparison test)
And I completely agree that Mercedes's current engine choices are irrational and seem to go against common sense. C-class AMG is not supposed to have the same engine as SL-class AMG. In the current lineup, the cheapest AMG car is actually faster than the most expensive AMG car, the SL63 AMG. How would SL63 owners feel when the lowly $60,000 C63 is faster than their $140,000 top-end AMG? Not very good I suppose. Thank God they decided not to mess with the V12's at least. Hopefully Mercedes execs come to their senses and introduce the forced induction version of the 6.2L for higher end AMG's.
CLK63 Black
0-60: 4.0
0-100: 9.4
1/4 mile: 12.4 @ 116mph
C63 AMG:
0-60: 3.9
0-100: 9.2
1/4 mile: 12.3 @ 116mph
( Source: www.caranddriver.com CLK63BS review and C63 comparison test)
And I completely agree that Mercedes's current engine choices are irrational and seem to go against common sense. C-class AMG is not supposed to have the same engine as SL-class AMG. In the current lineup, the cheapest AMG car is actually faster than the most expensive AMG car, the SL63 AMG. How would SL63 owners feel when the lowly $60,000 C63 is faster than their $140,000 top-end AMG? Not very good I suppose. Thank God they decided not to mess with the V12's at least. Hopefully Mercedes execs come to their senses and introduce the forced induction version of the 6.2L for higher end AMG's.
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For this to have any meaning the cars would have to be tested on the same track at the same time. It doesn't make any sense. The CLK63 Black Series is a little lighter, has an LSD, has sticker tires, and supposedly has more hp (the jury is out on more hp until someone dynos, CLK63 Black does about 420 whp like pretty much all of there 500 hp MBs). I know this is a C63 forum but if it sounds too good to be true it probably is. I could tell you that a CLK63 Black Series has done an 11.9 @ 118 (which one has) but again, it would need to be compared on the same track at the same time with a C63 and then we'd know. Also, from a dig would depend on driver skill of launching so a rolling test would be better.
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You guys seem to be missing the point. The point is that C63 and CLK63 are equally fast or extremely close. Yeah the CLK63 may be slightly faster, but its not supposed to be "slightly faster". Its supposed to be not even on the same level as C63, a car costing half the price. SL63 is not supposed to be slightly faster than C63, its supposed to blow it away. Did you see any such arguments in last-gen 55 cars? Of course not, if you would claim that C55 is as fast or nearly as fast as SL55 you would get laughed at. Lower-end AMG's had 360hp, higher end AMG's had 500hp. Case closed. Now they all have 500hp, or near 500hp.
Agree with you 100%.
Agree with you 100%.
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You guys seem to be missing the point. The point is that C63 and CLK63 are equally fast or extremely close. Yeah the CLK63 may be slightly faster, but its not supposed to be "slightly faster". Its supposed to be not even on the same level as C63, a car costing half the price. SL63 is not supposed to be slightly faster than C63, its supposed to blow it away. Did you see any such arguments in last-gen 55 cars? Of course not, if you would claim that C55 is as fast or nearly as fast as SL55 you would get laughed at. Lower-end AMG's had 360hp, higher end AMG's had 500hp. Case closed. Now they all have 500hp, or near 500hp.
It's fairly simple why, MB is lazy. BMW shaved off 2 cylinders from there V10 to create a new V8 for the M3. AMG didn't touch the 6.2, they just threw it in the C-Class and "detuned" it. That saved a load of R&D compared to BMW.
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I obviously realize that the most expensive AMG's are 65's, hence I said "thank God they decided not to mess with the V12". I was referring to the most expensive 63 AMG's, such as the $140,000 SL63 and how they are not faster than the cheapest 63 AMG's like C63. Would it make sense to you if the last gen C55 was as fast as SL55? Why didn't Mercedes use supercharged 5.4L engines on all last-gen 55's? That is what's happening now, same engine in both low and high end AMG's. Makes sense? I don't think so.
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Agreed, it is a bit silly and does suck for those who have SL/E/CLS/CL 63's...
It's fairly simple why, MB is lazy. BMW shaved off 2 cylinders from there V10 to create a new V8 for the M3. AMG didn't touch the 6.2, they just threw it in the C-Class and "detuned" it. That saved a load of R&D compared to BMW.
It's fairly simple why, MB is lazy. BMW shaved off 2 cylinders from there V10 to create a new V8 for the M3. AMG didn't touch the 6.2, they just threw it in the C-Class and "detuned" it. That saved a load of R&D compared to BMW.
Who cares if it's as fast? Good for the C63..I mean the GTR is faster than any Amg car out there does that mean people that drive Amg cars should be pissed?
The c63 was built on performance first and luxury second..all the other amg models are built on luxury first and performance second!
I love all the Amg cars, and they are great!
I'm still contemplating getting an used s63 or a c63..great to have choices
If you want straight power and performance go with the C63 if you want luxury and can sacrifice a little on performance go with the other AMG models..it's that simple
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