While I'm trying to resolve my PP negotiations, maybe you can suggest a backup?
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 305
Likes: 1
From: Scottsdale, AZ & Bend, OR
2009 C63 AMG
While I'm trying to resolve my PP negotiations, maybe you can suggest a backup?
At this point, I don't know if my dealer is going to come through with making my deal right. I need to buy in Oregon where I spend 1/2 of my time and to avoid sales tax), so that means my C63 deal options are limited.
I need a 4 door sedan (for wife and kids occasionally), cornering is not as important as straight-line acceleration, and I would like some luxury and techno-goodies...
Is there anything else out there (I'm aware of the new M3, the ISF, etc.). I was thinking maybe there is another car out there that is 2-3 years old that has depreciated substantially... E63? S63? M5? I'd like to stay around $65k or less.
Any thoughts for a backup for me to explore?
I need a 4 door sedan (for wife and kids occasionally), cornering is not as important as straight-line acceleration, and I would like some luxury and techno-goodies...
Is there anything else out there (I'm aware of the new M3, the ISF, etc.). I was thinking maybe there is another car out there that is 2-3 years old that has depreciated substantially... E63? S63? M5? I'd like to stay around $65k or less.
Any thoughts for a backup for me to explore?
Senior Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 432
Likes: 0
From: Houston, TX
2009 C63 K1
Are you kidding me? What is your dealer asking you to pay? At the most you should only pay the $1200 for the LSD. If he says no order one from another Oregon dealer and make him wait to the last minute before you cancel. I would not let them have control over what car you purchase. If you want the C63 there are other people to buy from in Oregon. Bend or Eugene to name a couple.
Super Member
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 685
Likes: 5
From: Philly
N/A
At this point, I don't know if my dealer is going to come through with making my deal right. I need to buy in Oregon where I spend 1/2 of my time and to avoid sales tax), so that means my C63 deal options are limited.
I need a 4 door sedan (for wife and kids occasionally), cornering is not as important as straight-line acceleration, and I would like some luxury and techno-goodies...
Is there anything else out there (I'm aware of the new M3, the ISF, etc.). I was thinking maybe there is another car out there that is 2-3 years old that has depreciated substantially... E63? S63? M5? I'd like to stay around $65k or less.
Any thoughts for a backup for me to explore?
I need a 4 door sedan (for wife and kids occasionally), cornering is not as important as straight-line acceleration, and I would like some luxury and techno-goodies...
Is there anything else out there (I'm aware of the new M3, the ISF, etc.). I was thinking maybe there is another car out there that is 2-3 years old that has depreciated substantially... E63? S63? M5? I'd like to stay around $65k or less.
Any thoughts for a backup for me to explore?
I'm no expert here, but I don't think it matters where you buy the car (Oregon or elsewhere) it just matters where you title it. So if you buy a car in CA and title it in OR, you won't pay sales tax.
+1 on the RS4. I've heard that deals are pretty easy to come by on them now.
Senior Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 432
Likes: 0
From: Houston, TX
2009 C63 K1
At this point, I don't know if my dealer is going to come through with making my deal right. I need to buy in Oregon where I spend 1/2 of my time and to avoid sales tax), so that means my C63 deal options are limited.
I need a 4 door sedan (for wife and kids occasionally), cornering is not as important as straight-line acceleration, and I would like some luxury and techno-goodies...
Is there anything else out there (I'm aware of the new M3, the ISF, etc.). I was thinking maybe there is another car out there that is 2-3 years old that has depreciated substantially... E63? S63? M5? I'd like to stay around $65k or less.
Any thoughts for a backup for me to explore?
I need a 4 door sedan (for wife and kids occasionally), cornering is not as important as straight-line acceleration, and I would like some luxury and techno-goodies...
Is there anything else out there (I'm aware of the new M3, the ISF, etc.). I was thinking maybe there is another car out there that is 2-3 years old that has depreciated substantially... E63? S63? M5? I'd like to stay around $65k or less.
Any thoughts for a backup for me to explore?
I ordered the PP and mine is coming only w/ LSD and speed delimiter. If I had to configure the car exactly as I wanted, I would just have the LSD portion of the PP anyway. So I asked my dealer to waive the $1250 for the speed delimiter and they did. So, I am getting what I want at a lower price. Ironically, the whole coding error issue for the Perf. Pkg. could not have worked out better for me. You can also find some great deals on used M5's.
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 305
Likes: 1
From: Scottsdale, AZ & Bend, OR
2009 C63 AMG
The problem is that I have waited 5 months and really can't wait any longer. I either need to bite the bullet and accept their deal (if they don't back down), or get something else within the next 3 weeks. I wanted a Mars Red C63, and I don't think I want to go pay $65k for a silver, white, or black one with wood interior trim (which is mostly what I see)...
Senior Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 432
Likes: 0
From: Houston, TX
2009 C63 K1
The problem is that I have waited 5 months and really can't wait any longer. I either need to bite the bullet and accept their deal (if they don't back down), or get something else within the next 3 weeks. I wanted a Mars Red C63, and I don't think I want to go pay $65k for a silver, white, or black one with wood interior trim (which is mostly what I see)...
If you really want the car, $2450 for the LSD is not terrible.
Trending Topics
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 305
Likes: 1
From: Scottsdale, AZ & Bend, OR
2009 C63 AMG
Yes, I know that the $2,450 for an LSD is not completely unreasonable, but now that I have seen others get deals under MSRP and resolve this PP issue, yet my dealer is saying the MBUSA won't flex, it's becoming a PRINCIPAL issue.
What is the number to call MBUSA?
What is the number to call MBUSA?
MB World Stories
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)
Verdad Gallardo
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren
Verdad Gallardo
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine
Verdad Gallardo
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction
Verdad Gallardo
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping
Verdad Gallardo
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 418
Likes: 1
08 MB
If you don't mind a used car over new then there are plenty of options for your price range and an E63 would be at the top of my list. More room, classic good looks still, and the same motor.
Do you prefer auto or stick as Mercedes is the only performance sedan with an auto?
Do you prefer auto or stick as Mercedes is the only performance sedan with an auto?
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 305
Likes: 1
From: Scottsdale, AZ & Bend, OR
2009 C63 AMG
If I really had a choice, I'd rather have a stick. The Audi and Lexus would be options, but there is not an aftermarket for mod's for them as much as BMW and Mercedes...
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 305
Likes: 1
From: Scottsdale, AZ & Bend, OR
2009 C63 AMG
Spent 15 minutes on the phone w/ MBUSA. They took down all my information, assured me the info is going to the correct party, and that an expedited specialist familiar with the situation will be getting back to me on Monday...
For whatever that it worth...
For whatever that it worth...
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,579
Likes: 0
From: Brooklyn
'08 BMW 650ci
over budget, i have a white on black with CF and PP comming
it was built just built this week, so it may or may not have the full PP elements
i know it will def be below MSRP, can you buy out of state and ship?
he can also get you a mars red pretty quick probably
it was built just built this week, so it may or may not have the full PP elements
i know it will def be below MSRP, can you buy out of state and ship?
he can also get you a mars red pretty quick probably
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Austin, TX
2013 C63 Black Series
dude
If you prefer stick, there is no substitute on the market for the RS4... awesome Germanic understated, but mean looks, quattro, great deals, etc. I am only considering the C63 AMG because I spend a lot of time in traffic. 4-door sedan with stick, I dont think that you can beat the RS4...
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,728
Likes: 3
From: San Diego
G63 AMG, SL65 AMG, CLS550, S550, Tesla Model S Performance, Challenger SRT8
If you prefer stick, there is no substitute on the market for the RS4... awesome Germanic understated, but mean looks, quattro, great deals, etc. I am only considering the C63 AMG because I spend a lot of time in traffic. 4-door sedan with stick, I dont think that you can beat the RS4...
Super Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 953
Likes: 0
From: Baton Rouge, La.
Steel Gray 09' C63 AMG
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,159
Likes: 0
From: Dar es Salaam, Tanzania
ML63 AMG
I'm sorry to say this guys, but if you want a stick replacement for the C63 AMG, the only replacement would be the M3 sedan.
The RS4 is good - actually great, but outdated in terms of styling (new A4 on the way), power, and performance (remember, it's quite old). Now I actually prefer the RS4 styling to the new M3 sedan, however that is relative and I don't know what you like better. In almost every category the M3 will win, on top of sublime performance, it's practically free maintenance.
Tee_Tz.
The RS4 is good - actually great, but outdated in terms of styling (new A4 on the way), power, and performance (remember, it's quite old). Now I actually prefer the RS4 styling to the new M3 sedan, however that is relative and I don't know what you like better. In almost every category the M3 will win, on top of sublime performance, it's practically free maintenance.
Tee_Tz.
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Austin, TX
2013 C63 Black Series
[QUOTE=tee_tz;2986397]I'm sorry to say this guys, but if you want a stick replacement for the C63 AMG, the only replacement would be the M3 sedan.The RS4 is good - actually great, but outdated in terms of styling (new A4 on the way), power, and performance (remember, it's quite old). Now I actually prefer the RS4 styling to the new M3 sedan, however that is relative and I don't know what you like better. In almost every category the M3 will win, on top of sublime performance, it's practically free maintenance.
Can I disagree without you hating me?
I owned an E46 M3 and loved it. I have been waiting for the new M3 for a long time. Reading, evaluating, etc. I went and drove it for a good 30-45 minutes. My BMW salesman knows that I am a serious buyer.
I hated it. Why?
- ugly exterior... I think that the sedan actually looks a little better than the coupe, but still very slab sided, looks exactly like any 3-series (nothing wrong, but this is supposed to be their big hunky performance model) to me and the exhaust/tips hang down so low in the back, they look aftermarket
- ugly interior... all the swooping swervy curvy stuff looks like crap to me. I loved the steering wheel and the seats, but thats it
- less torque than our minivan... well, ok, maybe not exactly true.. but close. less than 285 or so lbs of torque in a 4000lb car with 420 hp? And what little torque there is feels very peaky up in the 6k+range, along with the hp. Very very very peaky in my driving experience. Would be infinitely more fun on the track than the RS4, but how much time is someone going to take their 4-door M3 on the track?
Bottom line, I wanted to desperately to love the M3, but I just cant...
Senior Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 432
Likes: 0
From: Houston, TX
2009 C63 K1
:
I owned an E46 M3 and loved it. I have been waiting for the new M3 for a long time. Reading, evaluating, etc. I went and drove it for a good 30-45 minutes. My BMW salesman knows that I am a serious buyer.
I hated it. Why?
- ugly exterior... I think that the sedan actually looks a little better than the coupe, but still very slab sided, looks exactly like any 3-series (nothing wrong, but this is supposed to be their big hunky performance model) to me and the exhaust/tips hang down so low in the back, they look aftermarket
- ugly interior... all the swooping swervy curvy stuff looks like crap to me. I loved the steering wheel and the seats, but thats it
- less torque than our minivan... well, ok, maybe not exactly true.. but close. less than 285 or so lbs of torque in a 4000lb car with 420 hp? And what little torque there is feels very peaky up in the 6k+range, along with the hp. Very very very peaky in my driving experience. Would be infinitely more fun on the track than the RS4, but how much time is someone going to take their 4-door M3 on the track?
Bottom line, I wanted to desperately to love the M3, but I just cant...
I owned an E46 M3 and loved it. I have been waiting for the new M3 for a long time. Reading, evaluating, etc. I went and drove it for a good 30-45 minutes. My BMW salesman knows that I am a serious buyer.
I hated it. Why?
- ugly exterior... I think that the sedan actually looks a little better than the coupe, but still very slab sided, looks exactly like any 3-series (nothing wrong, but this is supposed to be their big hunky performance model) to me and the exhaust/tips hang down so low in the back, they look aftermarket
- ugly interior... all the swooping swervy curvy stuff looks like crap to me. I loved the steering wheel and the seats, but thats it
- less torque than our minivan... well, ok, maybe not exactly true.. but close. less than 285 or so lbs of torque in a 4000lb car with 420 hp? And what little torque there is feels very peaky up in the 6k+range, along with the hp. Very very very peaky in my driving experience. Would be infinitely more fun on the track than the RS4, but how much time is someone going to take their 4-door M3 on the track?
Bottom line, I wanted to desperately to love the M3, but I just cant...
I am still buying a C63, two weeks away.
Last edited by yaymitch; Aug 8, 2008 at 07:32 PM.
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 305
Likes: 1
From: Scottsdale, AZ & Bend, OR
2009 C63 AMG
It's official, my dealer won't budge, and I'm going to get my deposit back. It's a principal thing - too many others have gotten cars under MSRP and/or have had this PP issue taken care of better.
I will look at the E63, ISF, RS4, M3, etc. again a little harder. I thought there might be some other option like a CLS63 a year or two old...
I will look at the E63, ISF, RS4, M3, etc. again a little harder. I thought there might be some other option like a CLS63 a year or two old...
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 420
Likes: 0
CLK Black
It's official, my dealer won't budge, and I'm going to get my deposit back. It's a principal thing - too many others have gotten cars under MSRP and/or have had this PP issue taken care of better.
I will look at the E63, ISF, RS4, M3, etc. again a little harder. I thought there might be some other option like a CLS63 a year or two old...
I will look at the E63, ISF, RS4, M3, etc. again a little harder. I thought there might be some other option like a CLS63 a year or two old...
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: Austin, TX
2013 C63 Black Series
It's official, my dealer won't budge, and I'm going to get my deposit back. It's a principal thing - too many others have gotten cars under MSRP and/or have had this PP issue taken care of better.
I will look at the E63, ISF, RS4, M3, etc. again a little harder. I thought there might be some other option like a CLS63 a year or two old...
I will look at the E63, ISF, RS4, M3, etc. again a little harder. I thought there might be some other option like a CLS63 a year or two old...
Super Member
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 820
Likes: 1
From: La Quinta, CALIF.
2009 C63 Black on Black
Did you get my PM + regular e-mail?
It's official, my dealer won't budge, and I'm going to get my deposit back. It's a principal thing - too many others have gotten cars under MSRP and/or have had this PP issue taken care of better.
I will look at the E63, ISF, RS4, M3, etc. again a little harder. I thought there might be some other option like a CLS63 a year or two old...
I will look at the E63, ISF, RS4, M3, etc. again a little harder. I thought there might be some other option like a CLS63 a year or two old...
