I redynoed with the stock ECU/TCU today in order to establish a baseline for tq (we only had hp before) and ended up making 372/373rwhp and tq.

As you can see there are strong gains across the board in both HP and TQ. This was done on the same dyno using 1:1 gearing and SAE correction with smoothing set at 5 to eliminate artificially generated spikes.

v2 track testing coming this Friday with dynos to follow. That being said I'll put v1 up against anyone else's tune any day of the week at the track or on the same dyno.

Thanks
Andy

 

MHP- I have been following many of the posts on ECU tuning of the C63. By the way, I like your tenacity and that you are willing to throw down at any moment.

For clarity, please confirm:

1. Is your v1 tune still in the $4-5K range?
2. If so, will the v2 be a free upgrade when finalized for the market?
3. Are your gains including the spacers and/or any other upgrades or are they just from the v1 tune?
4. Will tuning the ECU void the MB warranty if discovered during service/warranty work?
5. I assume that your 12.19 was on drag radials?

I am comparing the ECU tuning from Evosport, Kleemann, and Renntech with yours and wonder why there is such a difference in cost. (sorry novice here)

Either way, I applaud your work and enthusiasm for trying to achieve, as you indcate, "The Worlds fastest C63" and when tuners compete, consumers usually benefit.

 

Thanks, I just wish someone would step up and accept.

Revised pricing for v2 (what we'll be using as our base cal) will be out after the track/dyno results. It will be reduced compared to v1, but still be more than the competition due to the fact we're the only ones in the world that can tune a 7A TCU as well as the ECU. We mate the 2 control units together to produce optimal results and a complete and refined driveline tuning package that no one else can offer.

Answered above. All customers will receive v2 ECU tuning.

I have drop in K&Ns and spacers on my car (including for the stock redyno above). K&Ns may add 3-5rwhp, spacers won't add anything but they will prevent your manifold from becoming heat soaked and will net you more consistant ETs/traps.

Ultimately that depends on your dealer and that applies to every tuner/dealer out there. Mine doesn't care a bit. If you're really worried pick up a spare ECU (I sell them to my customers at my cost if they want one) for extra insurance.

Yes, ****ty Nitto 18"s. I have some Mickey Thompson DRs that I'm going to use this Friday to test v2. Keep in mind that I cut a 1.97 60 with the Nittos, as compared to 2.04 with the stock tires. The combination of me overshooting the converter with a 2k brake stall launch and the Nittos caused a bog. I also only got to make 1 pass that night.

Covered above. We do TCU as well and again we're the only game in town for that. TCU modification allows us to quicken/firm up WOT shifts, smooth out part throttle shifts, raise tq converter lockup speed, raise shift points, quicken downshifts, allow for consistant shift rpm (even 1-2), reduce/eliminate TCU related torque management, and activate rev matched throttle blipped (no load) downshifts.

Thank you and we look forward to pressing on and putting out more real world results. Hopefully other tuners will step up and allow us to run one of their tuned examples at MIR on 11/15.

 

Looks like these guys also do TCU tuning:

http://www.veloceperformance.com/mercedes.htm

 

Andy, in my opinion, it'd be beneficial to have the customer choose between V1 and V2 tuning.

 

Not for the 63 engines.

Almost all companies do it for the 65 engine upgrades, but so far none of the companies out there do it for the 63 and very few do it for the 55 models.

 

Mo,
v2 will simply be a stronger version of v1, nothing unsafe at all. That being said, if you want v1, you can have it as well.

 

What Mo said, we're the only ones that can do the 7As. I'll also put our 5A TCUs against anyone else's anytime.

 

Andy,
Your contribution and committment to the C63 is awesome. I am a heartbeat away from getting the Kleeman tune. It may not be quite as potent as yours, but it is darn close. The $1495 tag for the Kleeman is nice for me, and by the replies of most of the other interested parties, your proposed price is too high. I understand that your R&D work must be accounted for, and the fact your the only TCU tuner makes your product special. I hope you will consider a competitive price for the ECU/TCU tune alone, and make up the R&D costs over the long haul. The performance will be similar to the Kleeman since HP and TQ are similar, but the driving "experience" will be better with yours.
Also, thermalnators and filters don't interest me.
Maybe your tune is not for me, but I would like to be able to consider it if it was price competitive. Great work and great feedback. I look forward to your upcoming run results.

 

Keep up the R&D. The V1 dyno sheets looks very impressive. Looking forward to your final tuned system and the details of all it's benefits over the stock car. Hell I may have to drive up there and see you work first hand.

-Troy

 

Thanks for the honest post though I disagree about it delivering similar performance which is why I'm pushing so hard for a tuner shootout at MIR. Regardless I wish you the best of luck and again thanks for your post.
That being said we're revising the pricing of our tunes after I post v2 results, you may want to hold off until then

Andy

 

Troy,
Thanks bro. I'd love to see you up here.

Andy

 

Becareful of that statement. I've been to countless drag sessions with my E63 over the past year and a half, and I have data showing how badly heat soaked the 63 engines get. For example, on the same day, same track, same driver, same car, and almost identical conditions, the car ran 12.70s when hot and 12.40s when cold. A 0.3 to 0.4 second difference is HUGE. After the first couple of runs at 12.40s, the car lost 0.1 seconds with every consequtive "hot" run up until 12.70s to 12.80s, then stabelized at those numbers for a while. We used to take ice to the track to cool down, and it worked great, but after a while it wasn't cooling fast enough, so we used dry ice . In my opinion, every little bit of cooling helps that engine run more consistently and is very essential to performance as well as to reliability.

 

How far apart were those runs that lost .1 each time?

 

Hey MHP,

Thanks for the torque numbers. Like many others, I have some questions. I hope they have not been answered.

1. What is the redline and peak power rpm for the stock motor?
2. Does v1 or v2 adjust this?
3. Is the TCU able to be removed and shipped to you for programming like the ECU, or is it built in/too difficult to remove?


Thanks. I really like your results. In fact, it seems that you are the only tuner who has posted anything of substance except for some dynos. I look forward to your "revised" prices O/A this Friday. Keep up the great work.

 

Thanks RM,

1) As you can see from the stock dynograph HP peak is artifically cut off around 5200rpm, after v1 tuning we saw peak HP in the 6400rpm range. V2 may see a higher rpm peak, though we know the actual numbers will be higher (regardless if they're at the same rpm or not). After 7k the length of the intake manifold runners really comes into play.

2) Yes, we can bump your shift points (v1 had shift points raised to 7300rpm in manual but retained 7100rpm in sport/comfort) to whatever you want them to be.

3) Yes, all TCU manipulation with 63s is done via the ECU. So you only need to send us your ECU for both.

Thanks
Andy

 

Thanks man. That is exactly what I was looking for. You are doing more to stimulate business and discussion on this board than just about anyone else. Please keep improving/fine tuning your tune. It looks like a winner.

 

Thank you, and will do!

 

Hey, Andy also wrote once and said that they send to military APO's as well. I am thinking about trying this out when I finally get mine.

 

All those runs that lost 0.1 second with each consecutive pass were hot laps (40 seconds apart). With each run, the oil temps rose, and so did the ET. But when we used ice, the runs were very consistent.

 

Andy, do you mean 7300 in sports mode and 7100 in comfort?

 

This is the ONLY reason I havent mailed off my Stuff to Andy. I know its good stuff but in tuning world Andys price is an order of mangnitude more than the other tune.
I have to figure out how to justify this to my wife
2500 is one thing but around twice that is going to be hard.

After discovering the shifting issues the TCU is a big deal to me.

 

Andy and others:

I will be getting V2 ECU/TCU (and wheels and a whole bunch of other stuff) through Ultimate Audio in Orlando, FL, by the end of this month. I'll report back my results. This looks very promising IMHO.

I noticed some really nice results on the EVOSport sticky in the forum re: HP gains, torque gains. But they don't offer the TCU part, right? It's the ECU/TCU combo that draws me to the MHP offering.

 

Am I missing something here or does his price include the TCU flash as well?

 

Todd (I think?)

You'll be receiving v2 tuning for your ECU/TCU (yes we're the only ones in the world that can do a 7A TCU). I started another thread with v2 track results from tonight, we ended up running 12.02@118.78 actual/11.97@119.31 corrected on a 1.88 60'.

You're going to love the way your car feels!

Thanks
Andy