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Old 11-21-2008, 12:34 PM
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Gm could, and i stress "could" get 600hp out of a 6 liter. I am big fan of both engines, GM & Mercedes. The LS motors have proven to be good engines. I tell you what when more racers start putting in the new LSX blocks in their hotrods it could be game over for lots of cars. Thats a 454 though. GM Makes good engines and transmissions. The 327,350,396,400,427,454,502,572 are all good motors (or blocks) to build on, but if i was building one i wouldn't use the 400 (6.0 liter) What was great about GM is that back in the day If you didnt like your engine you could just pop another one in and be done with it. Mercedes Deff. doesnt have a site were you can build a custom motor and have it shipped to your door. IDK I just cant knock a 550hp 4 door that puts down killer numbers at the "Ring"

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Originally Posted by gandalfthegray
Unfortunately no, the C63 runs faster then the S65. S65 ran 12.6 @ 115.
This actually depends on where you run. Some stock S65s actually ran very low 12s and maybe even 11s. Also, there are a bunch of stock E55s on dragtimes running anywhere between 11.70s to 12.00 bone stock.

Oldgixxer's bone stock E63 ran 11.95 @ 118 at ATCO.
Mach 5's bone stock CLK63 Black Series ran 11.90s @ 119 at ATCO multiple times.
I've ran multiple 12.20s to 12.60s in sh***y California tracks.

Now, once you start modding, game's over for Caddy. The fastest Mercedes right now is a modified (and on spray) S600 running 10.50s, and we just had an E55 (all motor) run 11.00s. In addition, Mercedes vehicles can handle great power and great torque fairly well, while Caddy's tend to break axles, transmissions, etc..... after power mods.
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C63 is an Entry LVL and cheapest AMG, dont get ahead of yourself
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just reading the title says it all.

how about the SLR, SL Black Series, and Any 65 will beat a CTS-V.

However a ZR-1 is a different story.

Just the fact this thread was posted, speaks volume about the person's knowledge about cars.
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C63 is an Entry LVL and cheapest AMG, dont get ahead of yourself
I think the people that buy C63's could get their hands on "Bigger" AMGs, they just choose the smaller more nimble C class Lets face it right now there is no other AMG out other than the CLK black that is more dynamic than a c63. I've already seen C63 with 20k in after market parts and accessories. I the C63 is by no means the "Starter house" of AMG's. They are all ***** to the wall insane.
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I can't support a financially nonviable company that is going to waste even more of my tax dollars as the execs fly around in private jets.

Actually that's not true, I have a Yukon - I but I bought it a long time ago before I knew what was what.

Just thought I'd throw that argument out there.
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I could have afforded the Black series but for the money the AMG C63 is like a baby Black CLK so I decided on the C63. It has alot of the black series "stuff" so I opted for that. That and plus I was kind of cashing out since I figured my GT3 was going to tank in value shortly. (it did)
In my mind at the $65k point the AMG is the best bang for your buck in well built rockets. My inlaws have a CTS and there is no way for someone less than 80 (not that thats a bad thing) to enjoy it. Can you imagine a CTS-V car meeting. "Those in favor in putting a basket of flowers on our group buy floor mats please rise in your walkers!"
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Originally Posted by TopGun32
just reading the title says it all.

how about the SLR, SL Black Series, and Any 65 will beat a CTS-V.

However a ZR-1 is a different story.

Just the fact this thread was posted, speaks volume about the person's knowledge about cars.
Before you throw insults at the original poster, make sure you have read the entire post and understand it.

The opening line was to get the attention of all AMG owners and fans, which it did. The closing line was the question:
....Is there no AMG sedan that can beat this Caddy!?
Sedan being a four door car. The S65 will definitely not beat this new CTS-V. It weighs too much.

Remember, were on the same team. I just assumed that AMG would always own this title. We can hope that GM's claims are off, but I doubt it.

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I could have afforded the Black series but for the money the AMG C63 is like a baby Black CLK so I decided on the C63. It has alot of the black series "stuff" so I opted for that. That and plus I was kind of cashing out since I figured my GT3 was going to tank in value shortly. (it did)
In my mind at the $65k point the AMG is the best bang for your buck in well built rockets. My inlaws have a CTS and there is no way for someone less than 80 (not that thats a bad thing) to enjoy it. Can you imagine a CTS-V car meeting. "Those in favor in putting a basket of flowers on our group buy floor mats please rise in your walkers!"
"next weeks auto excursion will be at the silver ridge retirement home parking lot. First prize is a case of geritol"(Blue hairs take so long in doing Auto crosses that they are called auto excursions)
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lol

c63 is clearly faster than cts-v, viper, ford GT, z06

no one can beat a c63 but a dodge neon
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Originally Posted by gandalfthegray
Before you throw insults at the original poster, make sure you have read the entire post and understand it.

The opening line was to get the attention of all AMG owners and fans, which it did. The closing line was the question:
....Is there no AMG sedan that can beat this Caddy!?
Sedan being a four door car. The S65 will definitely not beat this new CTS-V. It weighs too much.

Remember, were on the same team. I just assumed that AMG would always own this title. We can hope that GM's claims are off, but I doubt it.
you clearly have not seen the 65 run have you
go do some research on reall world results (not mag bench racing)
the 600 and 65 motors are monsters even in an S class!
an SL 65 dynoed 520WHP!!! STOCK here
do you know what that number means? do not even bother with the trq because its on an other level!
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I think granpa jones golf cart is faster, it will do the 1/4 faster if he lost a titelist. Look I think the CTS-v has 560 hp? It took the motor off the ZR-1 AND its supercharged. ANY nimrod can get HP out of a motor with forced inductiion. Its not rocket science. It IS hard to get 500 hp out of a normally aspirated motor. Tell your brother when GMC gets 600Hp out of 6 liter motor to come talk to you.
What Benz motor makes 600hp form a 6 litre motor NA, or are you talking forced indution, cause the ZR1 motor makes over 600hp with a 6.2 litre motor fi and a V8 not a V12.
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ROFL....

The Caddy is definitely a beast.
But there are AMG's that can beat it. I am sure certain stock 65's running well can take the new V.
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Originally Posted by Zod
you clearly have not seen the 65 run have you
go do some research on reall world results (not mag bench racing)
the 600 and 65 motors are monsters even in an S class!
an SL 65 dynoed 520WHP!!! STOCK here
do you know what that number means? do not even bother with the trq because its on an other level!
Well fortunately I have done some research on the S65.

I went to Drag Times where I found the stock S65 to run a 12.41 @ 118 mph. http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-10870.html
And that's about as real world as you can get.

Then I went to Edmunds and read the article explaining that on the test track they got 12.6 @ 116 mph, an impressive run for a 5100 lb car!
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=123565

Note the similar times between the two stock s65's both in the magazine and in the real world. Also note that the C63 out runs the S65 and that the CTS-V's claimed times out runs the C63.

Right now your probably trying to figure out how can the C63 out run the S65 when the S65 has 604 HP to the C63's 441? Or you can convert them to rear wheel numbers if you like, still the same in the end. The S65 weighs 5100 lbs to the C63's 3726. This gives an even more important number than the RWHP you mentioned, it gives a power to weight ratio. The S65 at 8.44 lbs per hp and the C63 at only 8.26 lbs per hp. Resulting in a slightly faster C63. Amazing huh? And guess what? The CTS-V curb weight of 4200 lbs and 556 hp = 7.55 lbs per hp. I think you can see where this story is going now.

So I think in conclusion to my own question I have answered myself.... No, there is no faster AMG sedan. I was just hoping that maybe there was a model out there that I was unaware of.
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ROFL....

The Caddy is definitely a beast.
But there are AMG's that can beat it. I am sure certain stock 65's running well can take the new V.
It's highly unlikely, but to be fair the CTS-V's numbers are not proven, just GM's claims. AMG needs to dust off those supercharger's and get to work on the C63!!!!
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The CTS-V around a road track would be an abortion. I wonder if it has leaf springs like the corvette.
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Originally Posted by gandalfthegray
Well fortunately I have done some research on the S65.

I went to Drag Times where I found the stock S65 to run a 12.41 @ 118 mph. http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-10870.html
And that's about as real world as you can get.

Then I went to Edmunds and read the article explaining that on the test track they got 12.6 @ 116 mph, an impressive run for a 5100 lb car!
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=123565

Note the similar times between the two stock s65's both in the magazine and in the real world. Also note that the C63 out runs the S65 and that the CTS-V's claimed times out runs the C63.

Right now your probably trying to figure out how can the C63 out run the S65 when the S65 has 604 HP to the C63's 441? Or you can convert them to rear wheel numbers if you like, still the same in the end. The S65 weighs 5100 lbs to the C63's 3726. This gives an even more important number than the RWHP you mentioned, it gives a power to weight ratio. The S65 at 8.44 lbs per hp and the C63 at only 8.26 lbs per hp. Resulting in a slightly faster C63. Amazing huh? And guess what? The CTS-V curb weight of 4200 lbs and 556 hp = 7.55 lbs per hp. I think you can see where this story is going now.

So I think in conclusion to my own question I have answered myself.... No, there is no faster AMG sedan. I was just hoping that maybe there was a model out there that I was unaware of.
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The CTS-V around a road track would be an abortion. I wonder if it has leaf springs like the corvette.
you are a tool. learn something --> http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080515....v-759-ring-run
Gm could, and i stress "could" get 600hp out of a 6 liter. I am big fan of both engines, GM & Mercedes. The LS motors have proven to be good engines. I tell you what when more racers start putting in the new LSX blocks in their hotrods it could be game over for lots of cars. Thats a 454 though. GM Makes good engines and transmissions. The 327,350,396,400,427,454,502,572 are all good motors (or blocks) to build on, but if i was building one i wouldn't use the 400 (6.0 liter) What was great about GM is that back in the day If you didnt like your engine you could just pop another one in and be done with it. Mercedes Deff. doesnt have a site were you can build a custom motor and have it shipped to your door. IDK I just cant knock a 550hp 4 door that puts down killer numbers at the "Ring"
a few things..... the motor in the vts-v is a lsa, lsa=376 not 454. a 400 is 6.6 ci not 6.0 and a 6.0 (lq4-lq9) is a 364ci motor.
just reading the title says it all.

how about the SLR, SL Black Series, and Any 65 will beat a CTS-V.

However a ZR-1 is a different story.

Just the fact this thread was posted, speaks volume about the person's knowledge about cars.
try reading a thread before posting
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Originally Posted by gandalfthegray
Well fortunately I have done some research on the S65.

I went to Drag Times where I found the stock S65 to run a 12.41 @ 118 mph. http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-10870.html
And that's about as real world as you can get.

Then I went to Edmunds and read the article explaining that on the test track they got 12.6 @ 116 mph, an impressive run for a 5100 lb car!
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=123565

Note the similar times between the two stock s65's both in the magazine and in the real world. Also note that the C63 out runs the S65 and that the CTS-V's claimed times out runs the C63.

Right now your probably trying to figure out how can the C63 out run the S65 when the S65 has 604 HP to the C63's 441? Or you can convert them to rear wheel numbers if you like, still the same in the end. The S65 weighs 5100 lbs to the C63's 3726. This gives an even more important number than the RWHP you mentioned, it gives a power to weight ratio. The S65 at 8.44 lbs per hp and the C63 at only 8.26 lbs per hp. Resulting in a slightly faster C63. Amazing huh? And guess what? The CTS-V curb weight of 4200 lbs and 556 hp = 7.55 lbs per hp. I think you can see where this story is going now.

So I think in conclusion to my own question I have answered myself.... No, there is no faster AMG sedan. I was just hoping that maybe there was a model out there that I was unaware of.

WOW....

A stock e55 can do 11.75 , he is on this forum...
.... i'm surprised your research didn't show that...

and I know for a fact... having seen it with my own eyes, that a stock s65 breaks into the 11's without a breaking a sweat... that one on dragtimes had a bad driver....

so i think that you need better research tools, oh wait, try the search at the top of the page, it will give you all of the answers you need
... there is a faster AMG sedan....
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lol

c63 is clearly faster than cts-v, viper, ford GT, z06

no one can beat a c63 but a dodge neon
Hmmm...I don't know...some of those Dodge Neons are pretty fast!

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ill try and help you again since you are putting effort into it. Plain and simple if a 65amg car is healthy and has a good driver, who manages to get traction in that thing you are toast in a straight line

The new S and CL are heavier then the older models by the way
here is a funky vid to look at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57LDJ9vhtTM

hmm but how the S is sooo heavy n that F car is light,but hmm if you think a stock C63 can beat an s65, god help the F430


recent run from a modded cl65
CL65 record going an astonishing 10.72@130.76
yes in a fat *** CL 65 amg

there are two more 600's that run silly times one is an S and the other is a cl600

the 600 and 65 motors are not owned by many, or dragged that offten.

from what i recall they run stock anything from et 11.5 11.7 and trap 120-122. This also heavly depends on the weather and track prep and location. you can have the same car and driver race on two different tracks with big differences in the out come

this is not the best arrgument i am making but trust me the 65 is bloody fast and if you modd it....
Originally Posted by gandalfthegray
Well fortunately I have done some research on the S65.

I went to Drag Times where I found the stock S65 to run a 12.41 @ 118 mph. http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-10870.html
And that's about as real world as you can get.

Then I went to Edmunds and read the article explaining that on the test track they got 12.6 @ 116 mph, an impressive run for a 5100 lb car!
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=123565

Note the similar times between the two stock s65's both in the magazine and in the real world. Also note that the C63 out runs the S65 and that the CTS-V's claimed times out runs the C63.

Right now your probably trying to figure out how can the C63 out run the S65 when the S65 has 604 HP to the C63's 441? Or you can convert them to rear wheel numbers if you like, still the same in the end. The S65 weighs 5100 lbs to the C63's 3726. This gives an even more important number than the RWHP you mentioned, it gives a power to weight ratio. The S65 at 8.44 lbs per hp and the C63 at only 8.26 lbs per hp. Resulting in a slightly faster C63. Amazing huh? And guess what? The CTS-V curb weight of 4200 lbs and 556 hp = 7.55 lbs per hp. I think you can see where this story is going now.

So I think in conclusion to my own question I have answered myself.... No, there is no faster AMG sedan. I was just hoping that maybe there was a model out there that I was unaware of.
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ill try and help you again since you are putting effort into it. Plain and simple if a 65amg car is healthy and has a good driver, who manages to get traction in that thing you are toast in a straight line

The new S and CL are heavier then the older models by the way
here is a funky vid to look at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57LDJ9vhtTM

hmm but how the S is sooo heavy n that F car is light,but hmm if you think a stock C63 can beat an s65, god help the F430


recent run from a modded cl65
CL65 record going an astonishing 10.72@130.76
yes in a fat *** CL 65 amg

there are two more 600's that run silly times one is an S and the other is a cl600

the 600 and 65 motors are not owned by many, or dragged that offten.

from what i recall they run stock anything from et 11.5 11.7 and trap 120-122. This also heavly depends on the weather and track prep and location. you can have the same car and driver race on two different tracks with big differences in the out come

this is not the best arrgument i am making but trust me the 65 is bloody fast and if you modd it....
You're posting best times ever recorded by freaks. I'm pretty sure the CTS-V will have some of those as well, but they will not be the norm or real world numbers.
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Then that CLK BS must be a lemon? Is yours stock?

Are you referring to my BS that you saw run at Fontana ?? If so, I was below 13 sec.
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The CTS-V around a road track would be an abortion.
Um, well, no, not really....have a look at this:
http://cadillac.gmblogs.com/2008/05/the_video.html

...and this:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6963

...and this.
http://www.caranddriver.com/content/download/128503/1741886/version/1/file/LightningLapTimes.xls
CAR LAP TIME
Mosler MT900S 02:45.9
Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe ACR 02:48.6
Ferrari 430 Scuderia 02:54.6
Nissan GT-R 02:55.6
Dodge Viper SRT10 02:57.4
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 02:58.2
Nissan GT-R (all-season tires) 02:59.0
Ford GT 03:00.7
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 03:01.1
Chevrolet Corvette Z51 03:01.2
Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe 03:01.6
Porsche 911 GT3 03:01.8
Chevrolet Corvette Z51 03:03.6
Cadillac CTS-V 03:04.0
Lotus Exige S 03:04.5
Audi R8 03:04.6
BMW M3 03:05.6
Porsche 911 Turbo 03:05.8
Ford Shelby GT500 03:05.9
Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG 03:06.5
Lotus Elise 03:09.2
Chevrolet Corvette Z51 03:09.3
Porsche Cayman S 03:09.5
BMW M6 03:10.0
BMW 335i Coupe 03:10.5
Ford Shelby GT500 03:11.0
Audi RS4 03:11.2
BMW Z4 M Coupe 03:11.7
Nissan 350Z Track 03:12.5
Chevrolet Cobalt SS 03:13.0
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR 03:13.3
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR 03:13.5
BMW 135i 03:13.5
Lexus IS-F 03:14.0
Audi S5 03:14.5
Honda S2000 CR 03:15.0
Pontiac Solstice GXP 03:15.7
Mazdaspeed 3 03:16.0
Dodge Challenger SRT8 03:16.3
Lotus Elise SC 03:16.6
Infiniti G37S 03:17.5
Dodge Charger SRT8 03:18.2
Mazda RX-8 03:19.0
Subaru Impreza WRX STI 03:19.0
Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged 03:20.6
Dodge Caliber SRT4 03:20.8
Ford Mustang GT 03:20.9
Volkswagen R32 03:21.8
Mini Cooper S 03:22.9
Honda Civic Si Mugen 03:24.8
Volkswagen GTI 03:25.1
Honda Civic Si 03:26.5
Volvo C30 Version 2.0 03:26.6
Mazda MX-5 03:29.3

You may prefer Benz to Cadillac (as do I, obviously), but to state that this thing isn't a handler is to vastly underestimate the competition. Here are C&D's comments on the vehicle, along w/the M3 and C63:

2009 Cadillac CTS-V

If the Corvette was predictable as the LL2 champ, the car that put up the second-best lap time in the category was a surprise. Yes, the CTS-V's 6.2-liter supercharged LSA V-8 makes 556 horsepower, 120 more than the Vette, and, yes, horsepower definitely counts on this circuit.

But the new super-Caddy also weighs 996 pounds more than the Vette, and weight is never an asset on a racetrack. Which makes the Cadillac’s performance nothing short of remarkable. Remarkable thrust from the LSA with no hint of the angry bull bellow that afflicted the previous CTS-V. Remarkable, too, is its six-speed manual gearbox, providing precise shifts and crisp engagements. Remarkable balance, allowing the driver to drift and pivot this big sedan with ease. Remarkable brakes, offering formidable stopping power without a hint of fade, lap after lap.

You may also find it remarkable that the BMW M3’s best lap trailed the big Caddy’s best time by 1.6 seconds. The CTS-V does enjoy a power-to-weight edge over the M3, 7.7 pounds per horsepower versus 8.8, and the Cadillac’s chassis and suspension are good enough to exploit that edge. But the real difference was the M3’s automated manual gearbox, which didn’t want to downshift on command, and our best lap was achieved while driving the car in pure automatic mode.

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2008 BMW M3

Nevertheless, the M3 is an exemplary blend of track-day performance and everyday drivability. Like previous M3s, it delivers the kind of car-and-driver dynamic interface we normally associate with pure sports cars. But unlike its hard-edged predecessors, it’s as compliant and civilized as other 3-series Bimmers when comfort, rather than absolute urgency, is the priority. Is the steering a little light for some tastes? Maybe. But when the transmission is operating properly, it’s hard to find any fault with this super sports coupe.

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2008 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG




The Mercedes C63 AMG toured the challenging VIR layout almost as quickly as the M3—the best-lap difference was less than a second—but the Bimmer achieves haste with a parlay of power and finesse, whereas the Benz is more of a brute-force player.

Although the Benz outweighed the Bimmer by 364 pounds, it made the most of VIR’s fast sections, abetted by the function of its seven-speed manumatic transmission, excellent brakes, and a stability-control system that allowed some drifting. But the extra mass limited quick transitions, and the stiff suspension made the fast uphill esses a little more thrilling than one would wish.

There was a substantial gap between times posted by the C63 and the rest of the LL2 pack, where the cheeky little LL1 Cobalt SS inserted itself with a 3:13.0 lap.
Don't sell this thing short. It is a very capable all-arounder, not just a fast-in-a-straight line car.
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You're posting best times ever recorded by freaks. I'm pretty sure the CTS-V will have some of those as well, but they will not be the norm or real world numbers.
Not all of them are freaks. Here is a list of the top 10 stock E55 runs from dragtimes ---> Click Here. As you can see, they're all under 12.10 except two. If the car is running properly and driven properly, then very low 12s (if not high 11s) is normal.

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