gandalfthegray

Hey guys, I just got off the phone with my brother. He likes GM and I've always liked Mercedes. We got to arguing a bit and he brought up the new 09 Cadillac CTS-V. I informed him that the C63 was faster. Unfortunately I was wrong! The CTS-V matches the AMG's 3.9 to 60 but outruns the Benz in the quarter 12.0 @ 118 vs the 12.3 @ 116.

Is there no AMG sedan that can beat this Caddy!?

MB_Forever

The C63 is detuned, and once it's original power is un-locked, you can say bye bye Caddy. By the way, the infamous S65 will DESTROY the CTS-V in the 1/4 mile.

paulGT3

I think granpa jones golf cart is faster, it will do the 1/4 faster if he lost a titelist. Look I think the CTS-v has 560 hp? It took the motor off the ZR-1 AND its supercharged. ANY nimrod can get HP out of a motor with forced inductiion. Its not rocket science. It IS hard to get 500 hp out of a normally aspirated motor. Tell your brother when GMC gets 600Hp out of 6 liter motor to come talk to you. There is a big caveat though. You cant get a title for a Cadillac unless you're on Social Security. There are age limits and thats just the way our country is. You cant get a discount at Dennys or own a Cadillac unless youre 60 and thats the rules of a republic. At least MB doesnt put those restrictions on us.

gandalfthegray

Unfortunately no, the C63 runs faster then the S65. S65 ran 12.6 @ 115.

gandalfthegray

I hear what your saying but my brother would simply reply by stating that he doesn't care why he beat you, just that he beat you.

hooleyboy

Gm could, and i stress "could" get 600hp out of a 6 liter. I am big fan of both engines, GM & Mercedes. The LS motors have proven to be good engines. I tell you what when more racers start putting in the new LSX blocks in their hotrods it could be game over for lots of cars. Thats a 454 though. GM Makes good engines and transmissions. The 327,350,396,400,427,454,502,572 are all good motors (or blocks) to build on, but if i was building one i wouldn't use the 400 (6.0 liter) What was great about GM is that back in the day If you didnt like your engine you could just pop another one in and be done with it. Mercedes Deff. doesnt have a site were you can build a custom motor and have it shipped to your door. IDK I just cant knock a 550hp 4 door that puts down killer numbers at the "Ring"

bigbodybeeenz

The Cts-v is a supercharged. Tough for any NA engine car to keep up.

AMGSC

A C63 does NOT make 12.3@116. I was at the track and not even a CLK BS could get under 13.0. It would have to get the ECU retuned...

All the lightly modded E55s easily defeats the CTS-V.

mthis

wher did you see that it did 12.0 at 118.

mthis

here is the other think.
c63 451hp detuned
cts-v 556hp detuned

both cars ARE detuned so if you bring both cars to max you could get
600hp out of the c63 and you could get more then 700hp from the cts-v.

but then 1 is natural and the other is supercharged.

bottom line JUST wait till the new M.benz motors come out.
ohh the 5.5 turbo. then will see who can talk about whats beter.

mthis

i got my car at 12.4 at 114 and clk bs do hit beter then mine.

hooleyboy

I know MB is going turbo but are they bringing back the 55? M113 style?

mthis

from what i know yes the cls will be the 1st to have it.

AMGSC

Then that CLK BS must be a lemon? Is yours stock?

jmf003

You need to give your brother some grief. The 2009 CTS-V has yet to record a 12.0 1/4 mile run in any magazine test or by any private owner posting on Dragtimes.

Car and Driver calls it 12.6 seconds at 116 MPH for the CTS-V versus 12.3 seconds at 116 MPH for the C63.

Road and Track calls it 12.2 seconds at 116 MPH for the CTS-V versus 12.5 seconds at 114 MPH for the C63.

The source of the "12.0" time seems to be some Cadillac engineers who were speaking off the record. The official Cadillac press release simply says "12 seconds." No ".0" after the "12."

mthis

And finally, the last area of the next Mercedes CLS that Car addressed was its range of engines, with the magazine noting that four variants – the CLS 320CDI BlueTEC, the CLS 350, the CLS 550 and the CLS 55 AMG – will be available, as will a variant featuring mild hybrid technology


this is a quote from e merc benz

mthis

CLS350, 3.5-liter direct-injection V-6, 292 hp; power output increases to 306 hp in 2012
CLS550, 5.5-liter V-8, 388 hp; superseded by 435-hp direct-injection twin-turbo V-8 in 2012
CLS55 AMG, 5.5-liter twin-turbo direct-injection V-8, 570 hp; available from mid-2011 onward
CLS320 CDI, 3.0-liter turbo-diesel V-6, 224 hp; replaced in 2011 by 313-hp CLS350 CDI


this is from automobile

mthis

CLS550, 5.5-liter V-8, 388 hp; superseded by 435-hp direct-injection twin-turbo V-8 in 2012



wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

mthis

yep my car was stock at that time

gandalfthegray

Actually, it does! : http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test

I agree with the E55 statement, but modded cars are not counted.

And yes, the Cadillac numbers are claims made by GM. Hopefully they are wrong!

aleksandar1099

a stock sl65 can do 11's, actually a few stock e55's did 11's stock too... so those are faster than the cts-v.... it think that this car is just getting the hype that the gtr did, it was amazing on paper, but not on the real road....

B.E.R.U.A.N.G

Dont worry about it, Look at the news...the Big-3 ALMOST going bankrupt...if that ever happen, no more GM-Fan..

J/K, I hope they actually got a good plan and able to get the bail-out package

AMGC60-3

If I remember right the "new" 350 motor has been in the German market for several years now. It has more hp but is more economic on gas mainly because of the new fuel injection system. I believe the new US spec SLK has the newer 350 "powerplant".

Zod

some advice to you

1. the 65 bitrubo engine is the king of benz power and is a 1/4mile monster if you can get it to hook and at the right track

2. 65 AMG power level is = to stage 5 55k AMG power and higer!! stock

3. dont belive every magizine you read. you have all the info here just look at drag times and the owenrs (this is real world, not bench racing!)

4. 0-60 times dont count for crap, becase non of these cars can get these times on normal roads, unless you have some really good skills and great tires

ItalianStallion

This man speaks the truth. The 65 will destroy any 55 or 63 car, bar none.

I also believe the CTS-V will be quicker and faster than the C63. Don't knock GM because they got 556hp from forced induction. AMG got 469/493hp from their supercharged V8. GM got 505hp with their Z06's naturally aspirated V8 LS7 engine. Both Mercedes and GM demand respect...at least as far as their motors go.