Thoughts: C63 vs CTS-V
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Just a little reality check.
For me, after all is said and done, it's still a car and needs to function as such.
Granted, it's an f - n awesome, super cala fragalistic expialadoscious, rock your and your grandmas world car ... but you can't forget the 'car' in that description.
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I think this show is out of Canada. Not nearly as entertaining as that show out of the U.K. featuring those Three Stooges! That show is hilarious,... and good! But hilarious! Watched it last nite about the cars coming out of the former Soviet Blok. Man was that funny!
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Well if you want to really tighten up your brake setup all you need is....
1. Stainless Steel Brake Lines
2. D0T 4 Brake fluid ( I use RBF600 )
3. Drilled/Slotted Rotors ( I like R1 rotors because they angle their drill holes )
All the above will tighten up the feel on braking and pedal work. Not too mention the slot/drill rotors always look badass
1. Stainless Steel Brake Lines
2. D0T 4 Brake fluid ( I use RBF600 )
3. Drilled/Slotted Rotors ( I like R1 rotors because they angle their drill holes )
All the above will tighten up the feel on braking and pedal work. Not too mention the slot/drill rotors always look badass
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ericpd, dont forget to take some video of your car with the headers and exhaust......very important, there is a guy around here who has the last generation V with headers and full exhaust...one night he launched the car in the downtown business district(lots of tall buildings and concrete) and I was outside a restaurant in valet waiting for my car with my wife, and holy S#$T, I thought it was Nascar that was let loose on the street, so I can imagine what your car with a whistle and whine from the supercharger would sound like.....but you should have gone with a C63
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Haha wow did no one see that I actually said that the CTV-V does have amazing performance...
THAT WAS NOT MY ARGUMENT... for you to say that I am not a TRUE entrusiast because I cant look past a brand is hilarious, because I've owned a cadillac before and no I will NEVER own one again, FROM EXPERIENCE.
The fact that most of you on this thread cant seem to admit that american cars are absolute S**T is also hilarious. It is an absolute FACT. Say whatever you want, but the TRUTH remains.
Let me say this again, YES THE CTS-V has great performance, but that is not everything...
A TRUE enthisiast will look at the whole picture... Ive done my research maybe you should do yours. If you want to go american good for you, you will help the economy
but not urself.
Ive owned 2 benz's, 1 bimmer, 1 infiniti, and 1 cadillac before this, so YES i sperak from experience. Of course every car company has its issues along the line but why dont you compare the issues of ANY american car.
LOL YES I must admit I am a TROLL, you got me
THAT WAS NOT MY ARGUMENT... for you to say that I am not a TRUE entrusiast because I cant look past a brand is hilarious, because I've owned a cadillac before and no I will NEVER own one again, FROM EXPERIENCE.
The fact that most of you on this thread cant seem to admit that american cars are absolute S**T is also hilarious. It is an absolute FACT. Say whatever you want, but the TRUTH remains.
Let me say this again, YES THE CTS-V has great performance, but that is not everything...
A TRUE enthisiast will look at the whole picture... Ive done my research maybe you should do yours. If you want to go american good for you, you will help the economy
but not urself.Ive owned 2 benz's, 1 bimmer, 1 infiniti, and 1 cadillac before this, so YES i sperak from experience. Of course every car company has its issues along the line but why dont you compare the issues of ANY american car.
LOL YES I must admit I am a TROLL, you got me
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I think the problem here is that you're the only one that seems to think that all American cars are crap. Your own personal experience matters only to you. The rest of us look at ratings and reports to derive "FACT" and "TRUTH". You also make the mistake of lumping the 15 different American brands together into one "American" image. Multiple American cars from multiple American manufacturers in the past 5 years have repeatedly posted up vehicles with equal or better reliability data. The often-bashed Mustang is one of them. Just like not ALL MB vehicles are considered reliable (previous S-class comes to mind). I think your problem is you expect a $20,000 American car to perform and feel as special as a $50k+ Mercedes. You don't think that $30k makes a difference in perceived quality? I assure you that fine leather and soft-touch plastic surfaces do make a person feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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BTW, my 2005 Cayenne Turbo cost $105k new. It is nearly 5 years old now. Here are the things I've had done under warranty (from what I can remember):
1. Replaced 4 tailgate struts that went bad (gate would only stay 1/2 way open) It is acting up again...
2. New battery
3. Broken motor mount stabilizer
4. Replaced leaking plastic radiator connector with aluminum connector.
5. Some kind of oil leak around one of the turbos had to be fixed (reason??)
6. Plastic radio buttons on steering wheel, around navi, all 4 door window buttons, entire lower panels of rear seats, rear air vents and one rear window shade replaced due to peeling paint on surfaces.
7. All 8 coil packs replaced b/c 1/2 of them were cracked
8. As of yet still undiagnosed lighting errors on startup (only occasionally)
9. Fixed some kind of joint in the steering b/c it was giving me a 'bump' when turning right.
Would an unbiased person say that my car is a POS? Yep. Would DAGS1800 say that Porsche makes crappy cars? Probably not - but he's quick to say that Caddy makes crappy cars b/c apparently he used to own one.
Would I have the *****, after considering these problems, and still tell the guy in the Camaro that his car is a POS? Nope. It might not have a leather dash board or headrest monitors but it probably didn't have as many quality issues as my $105k Porsche.
1. Replaced 4 tailgate struts that went bad (gate would only stay 1/2 way open) It is acting up again...
2. New battery
3. Broken motor mount stabilizer
4. Replaced leaking plastic radiator connector with aluminum connector.
5. Some kind of oil leak around one of the turbos had to be fixed (reason??)
6. Plastic radio buttons on steering wheel, around navi, all 4 door window buttons, entire lower panels of rear seats, rear air vents and one rear window shade replaced due to peeling paint on surfaces.
7. All 8 coil packs replaced b/c 1/2 of them were cracked
8. As of yet still undiagnosed lighting errors on startup (only occasionally)
9. Fixed some kind of joint in the steering b/c it was giving me a 'bump' when turning right.
Would an unbiased person say that my car is a POS? Yep. Would DAGS1800 say that Porsche makes crappy cars? Probably not - but he's quick to say that Caddy makes crappy cars b/c apparently he used to own one.
Would I have the *****, after considering these problems, and still tell the guy in the Camaro that his car is a POS? Nope. It might not have a leather dash board or headrest monitors but it probably didn't have as many quality issues as my $105k Porsche.
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The V is making some serious power. Just imagine if it were the same weight the same as a C63.
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All of your points are valid, but you are begining to generalize what I am saying. I dont think a 20k american car should be like a 50k benz, nor would I think porshce's would NEVER have any problems, because as I said along the line all cars have their share.
Believe me I am not the ONLY one with this negative view of the American brand. And I don’t mean to fuse all company's into one image, however you steering away from the point. I am curious why you chose to spend the money on a cayenne turbo when you can get an SRT-8 for a fraction of the price yet similar performance, not better but close enough... or why would you purchase any amg or maserati, or an audi R8 for example when you can buy a corvette Z06 for a fraction of the price? I never said they should be equal even when they are much cheaper, but there is a reason why they are cheaper.
Yes, my personal experience further strengthens my negative opinion, however it doesn’t make it wrong. I am sorry to hear about your porsche, but I never said audi, benz, bmw, maseratti, ferrari, lambo, etc. are perfect. NOR did I say that ALL mercedes are top of the line quality and amazing cars, so please don’t take what I say out of context.
I will also admit that cadillacs are probably the best American car brand there is. But why don’t you look at the other brands, EVEN THEIR "ratings and reports to derive "FACT" and "TRUTH"." and tell me that their quality isn’t crap.
Like I said "QUALITATIVE ANALYSIS is beneficial." YES my personal experience shapes my opinion but my experience is not the only reason why I and MANY other feel this way.
BTW the issues with my caddy, and my brothers POS ford doubles your list.
Believe me I am not the ONLY one with this negative view of the American brand. And I don’t mean to fuse all company's into one image, however you steering away from the point. I am curious why you chose to spend the money on a cayenne turbo when you can get an SRT-8 for a fraction of the price yet similar performance, not better but close enough... or why would you purchase any amg or maserati, or an audi R8 for example when you can buy a corvette Z06 for a fraction of the price? I never said they should be equal even when they are much cheaper, but there is a reason why they are cheaper.
Yes, my personal experience further strengthens my negative opinion, however it doesn’t make it wrong. I am sorry to hear about your porsche, but I never said audi, benz, bmw, maseratti, ferrari, lambo, etc. are perfect. NOR did I say that ALL mercedes are top of the line quality and amazing cars, so please don’t take what I say out of context.
I will also admit that cadillacs are probably the best American car brand there is. But why don’t you look at the other brands, EVEN THEIR "ratings and reports to derive "FACT" and "TRUTH"." and tell me that their quality isn’t crap.
Like I said "QUALITATIVE ANALYSIS is beneficial." YES my personal experience shapes my opinion but my experience is not the only reason why I and MANY other feel this way.
BTW the issues with my caddy, and my brothers POS ford doubles your list.
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All of your points are valid, but you are begining to generalize what I am saying. I dont think a 20k american car should be like a 50k benz, nor would I think porshce's would NEVER have any problems, because as I said along the line all cars have their share.
Believe me I am not the ONLY one with this negative view of the American brand. And I don’t mean to fuse all company's into one image, however you steering away from the point. I am curious why you chose to spend the money on a cayenne turbo when you can get an SRT-8 for a fraction of the price yet similar performance, not better but close enough... or why would you purchase any amg or maserati, or an audi R8 for example when you can buy a corvette Z06 for a fraction of the price? I never said they should be equal even when they are much cheaper, but there is a reason why they are cheaper.
Yes, my personal experience further strengthens my negative opinion, however it doesn’t make it wrong. I am sorry to hear about your porsche, but I never said audi, benz, bmw, maseratti, ferrari, lambo, etc. are perfect. NOR did I say that ALL mercedes are top of the line quality and amazing cars, so please don’t take what I say out of context.
I will also admit that cadillacs are probably the best American car brand there is. But why don’t you look at the other brands, EVEN THEIR "ratings and reports to derive "FACT" and "TRUTH"." and tell me that their quality isn’t crap.
Like I said "QUALITATIVE ANALYSIS is beneficial." YES my personal experience shapes my opinion but my experience is not the only reason why I and MANY other feel this way.
BTW the issues with my caddy, and my brothers POS ford doubles your list.
Believe me I am not the ONLY one with this negative view of the American brand. And I don’t mean to fuse all company's into one image, however you steering away from the point. I am curious why you chose to spend the money on a cayenne turbo when you can get an SRT-8 for a fraction of the price yet similar performance, not better but close enough... or why would you purchase any amg or maserati, or an audi R8 for example when you can buy a corvette Z06 for a fraction of the price? I never said they should be equal even when they are much cheaper, but there is a reason why they are cheaper.
Yes, my personal experience further strengthens my negative opinion, however it doesn’t make it wrong. I am sorry to hear about your porsche, but I never said audi, benz, bmw, maseratti, ferrari, lambo, etc. are perfect. NOR did I say that ALL mercedes are top of the line quality and amazing cars, so please don’t take what I say out of context.
I will also admit that cadillacs are probably the best American car brand there is. But why don’t you look at the other brands, EVEN THEIR "ratings and reports to derive "FACT" and "TRUTH"." and tell me that their quality isn’t crap.
Like I said "QUALITATIVE ANALYSIS is beneficial." YES my personal experience shapes my opinion but my experience is not the only reason why I and MANY other feel this way.
BTW the issues with my caddy, and my brothers POS ford doubles your list.
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Did I even mention the word interior? or even compare interiors? Your missing the point… on the C63 you pay for the engine not so much the interior which is the reason for the price being so low when other 63’s are +100k.
Lexus is known for their comfy interiors. My friend has an IS-F the interior is very nice.
Lexus is known for their comfy interiors. My friend has an IS-F the interior is very nice.
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DaGS1800, you seem to be "stuck" with a bad past experience coloring your overall impression of domestic marques' current offerings - which, as your opinion, is also your entitlement. IMHO, the new Z06, ZR1, and CTS-V are fine automobiles that *almost* any enthusiast would be proud to own. FWIW, I'd also lump the new Viper (esp. the ACR), GT500, Ford GT, and some SRT-8 examples in as well. Strictly from my own perspective, of course.
If the CTS-V was the exact same car as presently configured, but graced with the three-pointed star instead, I wonder which side of the fence the opinions would fall...?
If the CTS-V was the exact same car as presently configured, but graced with the three-pointed star instead, I wonder which side of the fence the opinions would fall...?
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The end of my video (3:30s) has my Kooks headers/Magnaflow exhaust setup. I used to scare the crap out of little old ladies on the sidewalks.
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