C63's true top speed
06-11-2009, 07:20 AM
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If these speedometers are off this much I wonder if the odometers are off as well. If the wheels and tires are stock the actual miles driven and current velocity should be much more accurate than the posts here indicate. Very frustrating for a car to be accumulating miles that were never driven.
06-11-2009, 10:00 AM
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If these speedometers are off this much I wonder if the odometers are off as well. If the wheels and tires are stock the actual miles driven and current velocity should be much more accurate than the posts here indicate. Very frustrating for a car to be accumulating miles that were never driven.
06-20-2009, 11:17 PM
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C63 will NEVER hit the 200 mph mark. Not possible due to the aerodynamics of the car, atleast not while being stable. Do you have any idea what the lift is on a car capable of 200 mph? We are talking a 4 door sedan, not a super car.
190 mph and the C63 will be shaking like the chassis is about to fall apart. If you are think you can push this car to 200 mph you're crazy. Regardless of HP #'s, etc., the chassis can't support. There is a HUGE difference between a C63 and super car chassis.
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190 mph and the C63 will be shaking like the chassis is about to fall apart. If you are think you can push this car to 200 mph you're crazy. Regardless of HP #'s, etc., the chassis can't support. There is a HUGE difference between a C63 and super car chassis.
LOL
06-21-2009, 12:11 AM
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C63 will NEVER hit the 200 mph mark. Not possible due to the aerodynamics of the car, atleast not while being stable. Do you have any idea what the lift is on a car capable of 200 mph? We are talking a 4 door sedan, not a super car.
190 mph and the C63 will be shaking like the chassis is about to fall apart. If you are think you can push this car to 200 mph you're crazy. Regardless of HP #'s, etc., the chassis can't support. There is a HUGE difference between a C63 and super car chassis.
LOL
190 mph and the C63 will be shaking like the chassis is about to fall apart. If you are think you can push this car to 200 mph you're crazy. Regardless of HP #'s, etc., the chassis can't support. There is a HUGE difference between a C63 and super car chassis.
LOL
06-21-2009, 03:58 AM
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C63 will NEVER hit the 200 mph mark. Not possible due to the aerodynamics of the car, atleast not while being stable. Do you have any idea what the lift is on a car capable of 200 mph? We are talking a 4 door sedan, not a super car.
190 mph and the C63 will be shaking like the chassis is about to fall apart. If you are think you can push this car to 200 mph you're crazy. Regardless of HP #'s, etc., the chassis can't support. There is a HUGE difference between a C63 and super car chassis.
LOL
190 mph and the C63 will be shaking like the chassis is about to fall apart. If you are think you can push this car to 200 mph you're crazy. Regardless of HP #'s, etc., the chassis can't support. There is a HUGE difference between a C63 and super car chassis.
LOL
06-21-2009, 07:26 AM
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Top speed is endless if you continue to mod the car. I'm talking about a bone stock C63. PP or not, the chassis and aerodynamics of the car are going to prevent you from getting to the 200 mark.
Brabus, Kleeman, etc., are modded cars, and even then there is a huge difference between a supercar and a modded C3.
You cram enough HP in a Ford Pinto, it'll do 200 mph too. I just wouldn't suggest it unless your trying to see how many flips you can do from 200 to 0.
If 200 mph were such an easy thing to accomplish, there wouldn't be super cars. There's a lot more to doing 200 mph than just cramming motor and gearing in the car. You upset the chassis of the car at 200 mph and bad things happen.
Brabus, Kleeman, etc., are modded cars, and even then there is a huge difference between a supercar and a modded C3.
You cram enough HP in a Ford Pinto, it'll do 200 mph too. I just wouldn't suggest it unless your trying to see how many flips you can do from 200 to 0.
If 200 mph were such an easy thing to accomplish, there wouldn't be super cars. There's a lot more to doing 200 mph than just cramming motor and gearing in the car. You upset the chassis of the car at 200 mph and bad things happen.
06-21-2009, 07:30 AM
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I guess there are gonna be a lot of pissed off Veyron customers when they find out they could've bought a Brabus C63 and kept another $1M in the bank.
GT3 will get sloppy at 185 mph and that chassis will smoke any car MB, BMW, etc. can bring to the table (excluding SLR.)
Again, there's a huge difference between a super car and a high end luxury car.
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06-21-2009, 07:54 AM
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The drag coefficient Cd is equal to the drag D divided by the quantity: density r times half the velocity V squared times the reference area A.
Cd = D / (A * .5 * r * V^2)
And that being said, the C63 is a brick of a car. It doesn't have the aerodynamics of a 200 mph car.
Me still loves mine though
Cd = D / (A * .5 * r * V^2)
And that being said, the C63 is a brick of a car. It doesn't have the aerodynamics of a 200 mph car.
Me still loves mine though
06-21-2009, 08:18 AM
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The drag coefficient Cd is equal to the drag D divided by the quantity: density r times half the velocity V squared times the reference area A.
Cd = D / (A * .5 * r * V^2)
And that being said, the C63 is a brick of a car. It doesn't have the aerodynamics of a 200 mph car.
Me still loves mine though
Cd = D / (A * .5 * r * V^2)
And that being said, the C63 is a brick of a car. It doesn't have the aerodynamics of a 200 mph car.
Me still loves mine though
06-21-2009, 08:31 AM
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I would speculate that an otherwise stock (but delimited) C63 should be good for approx. 185 mph... Pure guess though..
06-21-2009, 08:32 AM
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FYI while on our way to get to where this photo was taken, Car #6 and Car #1 both went beyond 190mph. Car #6 required a repaint of the front end after following to close behind #1. I myself was driving car #7 at a more reasonable autobahn speed and watched these two leave the group like we were standing still. Of course names are not being mentioned here to protect the innocent.
06-21-2009, 08:49 AM
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I absolutely love and lust after the GT3. That said, correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that the M5 or M6 (when delimited) would do 200 mph. I also assumed that the 65 AMG cars would do it as well when delimited.. Technically delimited is not stock but...
I would speculate that an otherwise stock (but delimited) C63 should be good for approx. 185 mph... Pure guess though..
I would speculate that an otherwise stock (but delimited) C63 should be good for approx. 185 mph... Pure guess though..
Look at the chassis of a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, etc. and you'll see that those cars were made to sustain 200 mph and do it while still being totally controllable. You can actually "drive" at 200 mph in those cars, turns and all. You take a turn @ 200 mph in a car that wasn't made to do 200 mph, and you're playing Russian Roulette.
Ever done a sudden move in the C63 at 90 mph and get that "swaying" feeling. Like when going into a turn really hot and on the brakes and then a second or two later the car seems to settle in and its smooth? That's the chassis. What do you think this chassis is going to do at 200 mph? You think that tiny little lip spoiler on a C63 is enough to place the downforce required on the *** end of the car to keep it stable at 200 mph?
Plain and simple, most cars aren't designed with 200 mph speeds in mind. The ones that are have pretty big price tags. I think the C63 is probably STABLE up to about 165-170 and beyond that you are playing with fire. Problem is when you push past the stability of the car, you won't know it even happened because you'll be dead already. It might seem ok and then BAM! You're dead.
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06-21-2009, 08:52 AM
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FYI while on our way to get to where this photo was taken, Car #6 and Car #1 both went beyond 190mph. Car #6 required a repaint of the front end after following to close behind #1. I myself was driving car #7 at a more reasonable autobahn speed and watched these two leave the group like we were standing still. Of course names are not being mentioned here to protect the innocent.
The Carerra GT is about the only car in that group I would even consider pushing past 180. LOL
I had my old GT3 up to 175 and it did it, but didn't like it too much.
06-21-2009, 08:54 AM
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Theoretically, almost any car *could* achieve 200 mph if you put enough HP behind it, but the question is if its stable or not. If the chassis gets sloppy and upset, you may find yourself completely out of control.
Look at the chassis of a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, etc. and you'll see that those cars were made to sustain 200 mph and do it while still being totally controllable. You can actually "drive" at 200 mph in those cars, turns and all. You take a turn @ 200 mph in a car that wasn't made to do 200 mph, and you're playing Russian Roulette.
Ever done a sudden move in the C63 at 90 mph and get that "swaying" feeling. Like when going into a turn really hot and on the brakes and then a second or two later the car seems to settle in and its smooth? That's the chassis. What do you think this chassis is going to do at 200 mph? You think that tiny little lip spoiler on a C63 is enough to place the downforce required on the *** end of the car to keep enough down force at 200 mph?
Plain and simple, most cars aren't designed with 200 mph speeds in mind. The ones that are have pretty big price tags.
Look at the chassis of a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, etc. and you'll see that those cars were made to sustain 200 mph and do it while still being totally controllable. You can actually "drive" at 200 mph in those cars, turns and all. You take a turn @ 200 mph in a car that wasn't made to do 200 mph, and you're playing Russian Roulette.
Ever done a sudden move in the C63 at 90 mph and get that "swaying" feeling. Like when going into a turn really hot and on the brakes and then a second or two later the car seems to settle in and its smooth? That's the chassis. What do you think this chassis is going to do at 200 mph? You think that tiny little lip spoiler on a C63 is enough to place the downforce required on the *** end of the car to keep enough down force at 200 mph?
Plain and simple, most cars aren't designed with 200 mph speeds in mind. The ones that are have pretty big price tags.
06-21-2009, 09:03 AM
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Do this and you'll know what I mean:
1. Get on the eway and do 90 mph.
2. Get off at an exit that has a winding turn. Imagine a C shaped exit ramp.
3. Late brake it and go in hot so your still on the brakes to the apex of the turn and then slam the gas peddle to the floor at the end of the apex.
You'll get the feeling that the car is gonna lose it. Hopefully you don't. I do it every morning on the way to work. Makes me
all day. In my GT3, I could take the same turn 25-30 mph faster than in my C63 before I get the "I'm gonna lose it feeling."
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06-21-2009, 09:34 AM
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Theoretically, almost any car *could* achieve 200 mph if you put enough HP behind it, but the question is if its stable or not. If the chassis gets sloppy and upset, you may find yourself completely out of control.
Look at the chassis of a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, etc. and you'll see that those cars were made to sustain 200 mph and do it while still being totally controllable. You can actually "drive" at 200 mph in those cars, turns and all. You take a turn @ 200 mph in a car that wasn't made to do 200 mph, and you're playing Russian Roulette.
Ever done a sudden move in the C63 at 90 mph and get that "swaying" feeling. Like when going into a turn really hot and on the brakes and then a second or two later the car seems to settle in and its smooth? That's the chassis. What do you think this chassis is going to do at 200 mph? You think that tiny little lip spoiler on a C63 is enough to place the downforce required on the *** end of the car to keep it stable at 200 mph?
Plain and simple, most cars aren't designed with 200 mph speeds in mind. The ones that are have pretty big price tags. I think the C63 is probably STABLE up to about 165-170 and beyond that you are playing with fire. Problem is when you push past the stability of the car, you won't know it even happened because you'll be dead already. It might seem ok and then BAM! You're dead.
Look at the chassis of a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, etc. and you'll see that those cars were made to sustain 200 mph and do it while still being totally controllable. You can actually "drive" at 200 mph in those cars, turns and all. You take a turn @ 200 mph in a car that wasn't made to do 200 mph, and you're playing Russian Roulette.
Ever done a sudden move in the C63 at 90 mph and get that "swaying" feeling. Like when going into a turn really hot and on the brakes and then a second or two later the car seems to settle in and its smooth? That's the chassis. What do you think this chassis is going to do at 200 mph? You think that tiny little lip spoiler on a C63 is enough to place the downforce required on the *** end of the car to keep it stable at 200 mph?
Plain and simple, most cars aren't designed with 200 mph speeds in mind. The ones that are have pretty big price tags. I think the C63 is probably STABLE up to about 165-170 and beyond that you are playing with fire. Problem is when you push past the stability of the car, you won't know it even happened because you'll be dead already. It might seem ok and then BAM! You're dead.
Gotta respect your no holds barred approach. 
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C63 will NEVER hit the 200 mph mark. Not possible due to the aerodynamics of the car, atleast not while being stable. Do you have any idea what the lift is on a car capable of 200 mph? We are talking a 4 door sedan, not a super car.
190 mph and the C63 will be shaking like the chassis is about to fall apart. If you are think you can push this car to 200 mph you're crazy. Regardless of HP #'s, etc., the chassis can't support. There is a HUGE difference between a C63 and super car chassis.
LOL
190 mph and the C63 will be shaking like the chassis is about to fall apart. If you are think you can push this car to 200 mph you're crazy. Regardless of HP #'s, etc., the chassis can't support. There is a HUGE difference between a C63 and super car chassis.
LOL
Top speed is endless if you continue to mod the car. I'm talking about a bone stock C63. PP or not, the chassis and aerodynamics of the car are going to prevent you from getting to the 200 mark.
Brabus, Kleeman, etc., are modded cars, and even then there is a huge difference between a supercar and a modded C3.
You cram enough HP in a Ford Pinto, it'll do 200 mph too. I just wouldn't suggest it unless your trying to see how many flips you can do from 200 to 0.
If 200 mph were such an easy thing to accomplish, there wouldn't be super cars. There's a lot more to doing 200 mph than just cramming motor and gearing in the car. You upset the chassis of the car at 200 mph and bad things happen.
Brabus, Kleeman, etc., are modded cars, and even then there is a huge difference between a supercar and a modded C3.
You cram enough HP in a Ford Pinto, it'll do 200 mph too. I just wouldn't suggest it unless your trying to see how many flips you can do from 200 to 0.
If 200 mph were such an easy thing to accomplish, there wouldn't be super cars. There's a lot more to doing 200 mph than just cramming motor and gearing in the car. You upset the chassis of the car at 200 mph and bad things happen.
You go from talking about "stock" to even modded with endless power it wouldn't matter. Limitations of aerodynamics and the chassis, right?
Well, whatever let's see your next foot-in-mouth post:
Theoretically, almost any car *could* achieve 200 mph if you put enough HP behind it, but the question is if its stable or not. If the chassis gets sloppy and upset, you may find yourself completely out of control.
Look at the chassis of a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, etc. and you'll see that those cars were made to sustain 200 mph and do it while still being totally controllable. You can actually "drive" at 200 mph in those cars, turns and all. You take a turn @ 200 mph in a car that wasn't made to do 200 mph, and you're playing Russian Roulette.
Ever done a sudden move in the C63 at 90 mph and get that "swaying" feeling. Like when going into a turn really hot and on the brakes and then a second or two later the car seems to settle in and its smooth? That's the chassis. What do you think this chassis is going to do at 200 mph? You think that tiny little lip spoiler on a C63 is enough to place the downforce required on the *** end of the car to keep it stable at 200 mph?
Plain and simple, most cars aren't designed with 200 mph speeds in mind. The ones that are have pretty big price tags. I think the C63 is probably STABLE up to about 165-170 and beyond that you are playing with fire. Problem is when you push past the stability of the car, you won't know it even happened because you'll be dead already. It might seem ok and then BAM! You're dead.
Look at the chassis of a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, etc. and you'll see that those cars were made to sustain 200 mph and do it while still being totally controllable. You can actually "drive" at 200 mph in those cars, turns and all. You take a turn @ 200 mph in a car that wasn't made to do 200 mph, and you're playing Russian Roulette.
Ever done a sudden move in the C63 at 90 mph and get that "swaying" feeling. Like when going into a turn really hot and on the brakes and then a second or two later the car seems to settle in and its smooth? That's the chassis. What do you think this chassis is going to do at 200 mph? You think that tiny little lip spoiler on a C63 is enough to place the downforce required on the *** end of the car to keep it stable at 200 mph?
Plain and simple, most cars aren't designed with 200 mph speeds in mind. The ones that are have pretty big price tags. I think the C63 is probably STABLE up to about 165-170 and beyond that you are playing with fire. Problem is when you push past the stability of the car, you won't know it even happened because you'll be dead already. It might seem ok and then BAM! You're dead.
Your mentioning "wrong moves" and "swaying" and all that like super cars aren't affected. Sure, the body roll may be more excessive in a C63 then a Murcielago-- but that doesn't mean the C63 wont push 200MPH all the same.
I don't know why I even bother to argue, there are members here who have gone past 180 and have gotten very close to 200:
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I got a lovely star-gazer suffering from a broken IC Pump that would put your GT3 in it's rear view-- I would know, I already raced a lovely white one.
Maybe not on a track, but nobody here has been talking about turns, Einstein. And an M6/M5 S65/CL65 "etc." would do all the same to your crunched up Beetle with a wing on the back.
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Really? Smoke any car from MB/BMW?
I got a lovely star-gazer suffering from a broken IC Pump that would put your GT3 in it's rear view-- I would know, I already raced a lovely white one.
Maybe not on a track, but nobody here has been talking about turns, Einstein. And an M6/M5 S65/CL65 "etc." would do all the same to your crunched up Beetle with a wing on the back.
I got a lovely star-gazer suffering from a broken IC Pump that would put your GT3 in it's rear view-- I would know, I already raced a lovely white one.
Maybe not on a track, but nobody here has been talking about turns, Einstein. And an M6/M5 S65/CL65 "etc." would do all the same to your crunched up Beetle with a wing on the back.
