C63newdude

The GTR transmission cost $24000. That is all I have to say.

Sheep

That's pretty awesome, I wish I can get back to the states soon so I can get my hands on a GT-R...

Sheep

Sheep

Not unless you have your VDC off and keep launching the GT-R and blows the tranny.

Sheep

sflgator

You are aware that the 2010 has the "LC2," which will not allow the GT-R driver to disengage the traction control while engaging the LC? The issue of the '09 transmission failure is now over, and even '09 GT-R owners can get a s/w update for the LC2.

iatacs19

Each car has its merits, but there is no reason to insult Japanese people with racial slurs because of a car. That kind of mentality is actually very scary. It would be the same as calling anyone driving a German car a ****.

BoBcanada

whoever is hating on GT-R is not real car enthusiast. All im gonna say.

bushburninc63

werd

MikeS54

Would like to see a video of a STG1 C63 vs a pure stock GTR. That should be an interesting race.

I drove my friend's 2010 GTR extensively (in fact we switch cars once a while) all i can say is it feels like a tuned aftermarket car. The suspension ride like coilovers which gives the car a extremely stiff ride and puts a lot of pressure on the chassis. Theres a lot more i wanna comment about that car compared to GTR but i don't wanna go on and on.

However one comment my friend with GTR give me everytime he drives my car is that C63 is probably one of the best daily driver money can buy and will still race exotics in straightline and take some very high speed corners. so take it for what its worth.

SebringSilver

Good point. To expand on that, does every Lexus IS F driver sing karaoke every night until 2 am (way too loud, I might add)? NO! Of course not, only my neighbour does that.

BoBcanada

If you analyse velocity-time graphs, the truth is simply that if you can leave a corner faster than the opposition like a GTR, you leave them with a lot to do in terms of acceleration later on, which then leaves them with more speed to wipe off at the end of the straight. People complain about a Nissan GTR's mass, but KE = 0.5mv^2. Hence the amount of work the brakes do is only directly proportional to mass but is proportional to the square of that extra velocity that the opposition needs to catch back up. Even then the extra speed means they have to brake earlier, so they're left trying to make it up in the turns, which puts strain on the tyres and once again we see that centrifugal force = mv^2/r. So directly proportional to m but proportional to v^2 yet again. So it's very difficult to corner faster without cheating with downforce or slicks.

Traditionally with everything technologically even; with conventional drivetrains and transmissions and moderate power outputs, weight has been the main enemy. With non-classical active drivetrains and dual-clutch transmissions, whilst weight is still an enemy, we see that somewhat paradoxically, velocity, or rather the need for higher velocity - as induced by RWD, street-legal tyres and manual gearboxes - becomes a greater enemy wrt the equations for KE and centrifugal force/centripetal acceleration.

All of a sudden that extra weight doesn't seem like such a problem when it's traction and DCT advantage at the start of straights has other cars accelerating, braking and cornering their tyres off just to stay in touch. It's that extra 5mph that the GTR puts on at the start of straights and the DCT that puts area (representative of distance) under the v-t graph and does the damage against cars like the ZR1. The ZR1 catches up eventually but by then it's time to brake for the next corner and even then the GTR seems better than most cars on the way into corners. So the ZR1 can out-accelerate and achieve higher peak speeds and cornering g all day long but the GTR will make it up on corner exit and entry. People will remain confused because there are no measurements for the latter and all they see is a car that laps ridiculously fast but seems to have decent, yet not spectacular, peak speeds and cornering g.

Motorsport is not about peaks, it's about averages, i.e. the average speed on straights and the average g across the full length of the corner. More importantly, it's not about speed, it's about time. Roll-racing has broke people's brains and the emphasis has moved from ETs in quarter and mile runs to trap speeds, with some vague logic about them being more indicative of a cars true potential. True potential for what? To morph into an exocet missile at the end of a straight and crash into a wall. That's useful. People should look at v-t graphs in the likes of Evo and Autocar and see for themselves just how useless achieving warp factor 8 just before you brake is at putting area under the v-t graph.

hhughes1

How does the 7:26 correlate to the graphs that no one else understands?

sflgator

Update on my friend's custom Cobb tuned GT-R...he just ran the 1/4 mi. @ PBIR in 10.9 sec. @ 125.7mph!!!!!!!!!

rieger

Morro = Moron
disused term for a person with a mental age between 8 and 12, slang for a stupid person
sounds about right

itsmeek

Racist idiot. I'm confused, what is this big turbo cost issue you keep referencing? Do you even know what you're talking about? Trucks go millions of miles and they are almost all turbo's, wth are you talking about?

And I brought this back from the dead.

sflgator

FYI - the last I heard, he ran 10.4sec. @ 132mph!!! (although he may have run even faster since then...that was back in 12/09).

soldier2304

For those that like the GTR so much, why dont you just buy one? Of course you'll just be driving another really fast Nissan in the street.

Rock

I think that most of us did.

I guess that a fast Nissan makes about as much sense as a fast C-class........go figure.

sflgator

Hey my friend, you know me, and I respectfully disagree with you here. Why the hate on the GT-R...why not give it the respect it deserves? Just because it's a Nissan, come on now. Both my brother and one of my buddies each have a '10 GT-R; my brother's is stock and he absolutely loves it (his other car is a Lotus Elise and he just ordered some new Ferrari), and my friend's is one of the fastest (slightly) modded GT-R's in the state of Florida...runs the 1/4 mi. in 10.4 sec. @ 132mph!!! These cars are absolutely SICK...stock, and when slightly modded, they are simply un-fuking-real!

You cannot deny the shear power and "bang for your buck" of Godzilla. They may not have the quality of an MB or BMW German driving machine, but for $80k, you can OWN just about every friggin car on the road...that's pretty good in my book! Nissan or not (and yes, they could've badged it an Infiniti if they wanted to), it's one awesome car! And, if a 1-year-old GT-R would depreciate in value like the AMG's depreciate, I would be driving a GT-R instead of my C63 AMG...sorry, but true, my friend.

soldier2304

I perfectly agree with all your points and I've had my share of GT-R inside of one but not driving it. While it is indeed a very fast car for the price (just like the Z06), I would never trade my C63 for one just because it runs 10's with some mods. You have said so yourself here "They may not have the quality of an MB or BMW German driving machine... Again to each their own. For me to get a GT-R would be like If I had one of those huge collection of cars and I needed it only for the collection. BTW you can also make a Honda Civic go sub 10 sec in the 1/4 mile....

Wanna know the only japanese street performer I really respect and WOULD LOVE TO OWN?
http://www.comercialagricolaelberron...kyline-r34.jpg

sflgator

But, isn't that the same old Nissan quality of the new '09+ Skyline GT-R?

btw -- I used to have 2 Infiniti vehicles, and I actually thought the quality was quite up to par with the German cars, and virtually no issues unlike my BMW 335i.

PistolWhipC63

FAIL thread is FAIL! both the gtr and c63 are amazing cars. I respect all cars that deserve respect so everyone should stop feeding the trolls that lurk in this forum. Everyone knows the GTR is a great car and so is the c63 end of story.

SebringSilver

I don't think this thread is that bad, and I haven't spotted the troll(s) you're referring to. Almost everyone who's posted here is a long-standing and respected member of MBWorld, and they're all entitled to their opinions, even if not everybody agrees with them.

For what it's worth, I think the GT-R makes a great stablemate to a C63.

PistolWhipC63

^TROLLL!!!!! haha jk

soldier2304

Well maybe I just want the REAL skyline with the steering wheel on the right and a true manual gearbox

I disagree with you about the quality of ANY Japanese car vs a German car. For example, I used to have an LS460L 08 model fully loaded MSRP was $84,000 back then. Amazing Lexus, very stable, beautiful interior, had a lot of technology and gadgets (that are usually optional in German cars) including the ability to park by itself. Driving feeling and overall quality of the car was below the S-class or a 7 series (have never driven the A8 so can't tell) IMHO, but that's probably the reason why it was traded for an S550.

errant

emigrate! (joking) True about the manual gearbox, but regarding driving feel- i would say with all respect, go out and drive one. You'll be surprised at how much feel it has.