C65 AMG Black Series
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C65 AMG Black Series
Supercharged 6.2 Liter V8 + AMG factory ECU tune
580 hp 530 lb ft tq
0-60 mph in 3.6 seconds
0-100 mph in 7.8 seconds
1/4 mi in 11.6 seconds
200 lb weight reduction
Carbon ceramic breaks
Improved suspension
MCT
~$120,000
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580 hp 530 lb ft tq
0-60 mph in 3.6 seconds
0-100 mph in 7.8 seconds
1/4 mi in 11.6 seconds
200 lb weight reduction
Carbon ceramic breaks
Improved suspension
MCT
~$120,000
How does it sound?
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I never said this car is coming. I just threw out some numbers for a potential car. Just asking what people would think of a car like this. On 2nd thought I think the MSRP should be no more than 100k because a brand new 911 TT runs 120-130k.
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Your C63 "black" is essentially the Vath C63. 585hp, 690nm torque, rear seats replaced by roll cage...
There's no point the a C63 black because once you think about the price, there would be better options.
There's no point the a C63 black because once you think about the price, there would be better options.
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The Vath car costs 125k Euros, that's 175 grand. I am suggesting this car around 100k, huge difference. How many cars do you know at that price range with 580 hp?
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The c63 fully loaded is already nearing 75k USD. If anything, a C63 black would be priced just like the clk black, around $135k USD. Sure, there's no 4 door sedan in that price range with that much power (the only thing I can come up with is like a panamera turbo. But like others have mentioned, I don't think MB would make a black series based off of a sedan.
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The c63 fully loaded is already nearing 75k USD. If anything, a C63 black would be priced just like the clk black, around $135k USD. Sure, there's no 4 door sedan in that price range with that much power (the only thing I can come up with is like a panamera turbo. But like others have mentioned, I don't think MB would make a black series based off of a sedan.
The CLK is a more expensive model than a C therefore it doesn't make sense for a hypothetical C63 black series to be priced the same as a CLK 63 blk series. If anything it should cost much less.
Also, the C63 is a 65-70k car. Most cars that are sold are priced this way. It doesn't make sense to say that a car costs an x amount based on every single option that is available such as the non functional carbon fiber trim. If that was the case the 911 TT would costs 150K MSRP. Therefore it would be reasonable to price a hypothetical C63 blk series at around 100k +/- 10k.
btw I'm not saying in any way that MB will make this car, I'm just throwing out some numbers. Maybe you're right, MB won't make this car because its 4 door.
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Obviously, I was saying there aren't that many. CTS-V is the only sedan and then there's the ZR-1. That's it I believe in terms of hp.
Also, M5 is a great success at 100k, the C63 blk series would not be too different from such a car. There are people who want a powerful 4 door because they need seating capacity, etc.
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The CLK is a more expensive model than a C therefore it doesn't make sense for a hypothetical C63 black series to be priced the same as a CLK 63 blk series. If anything it should cost much less.
Also, the C63 is a 65-70k car. Most cars that are sold are priced this way. It doesn't make sense to say that a car costs an x amount based on every single option that is available such as the non functional carbon fiber trim. If that was the case the 911 TT would costs 150K MSRP. Therefore it would be reasonable to price a hypothetical C63 blk series at around 100k +/- 10k.
btw I'm not saying in any way that MB will make this car, I'm just throwing out some numbers. Maybe you're right, MB won't make this car because its 4 door.
Also, the C63 is a 65-70k car. Most cars that are sold are priced this way. It doesn't make sense to say that a car costs an x amount based on every single option that is available such as the non functional carbon fiber trim. If that was the case the 911 TT would costs 150K MSRP. Therefore it would be reasonable to price a hypothetical C63 blk series at around 100k +/- 10k.
btw I'm not saying in any way that MB will make this car, I'm just throwing out some numbers. Maybe you're right, MB won't make this car because its 4 door.
Obviously, I was saying there aren't that many. CTS-V is the only sedan and then there's the ZR-1. That's it I believe in terms of hp.
Also, M5 is a great success at 100k, the C63 blk series would not be too different from such a car. There are people who want a powerful 4 door because they need seating capacity, etc.
Also, M5 is a great success at 100k, the C63 blk series would not be too different from such a car. There are people who want a powerful 4 door because they need seating capacity, etc.
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Obviously, I was saying there aren't that many. CTS-V is the only sedan and then there's the ZR-1. That's it I believe in terms of hp.
Also, M5 is a great success at 100k, the C63 blk series would not be too different from such a car. There are people who want a powerful 4 door because they need seating capacity, etc.
Also, M5 is a great success at 100k, the C63 blk series would not be too different from such a car. There are people who want a powerful 4 door because they need seating capacity, etc.
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True, the CLK does cost more than the C, but you're thinking about a C blk you have to consider the prices. A 100k C blk in my opinion is improbable. I feel that the CLK blk may be more sporty, but a C blk has rear seats, which is why they would be priced similarly. The CLK, being derived from the E, means that a 4 door CLK blk SHOULD be an E black, but that won't happen due to the E class' size. A C blk would be the better car to build a blk sedan off of. Knowing MB's premium on the blk series cars I would still say 135k for a C blk. Maybe down to 120, but I can't see it any lower for a limited production performance MB. And I do think it's fair to state the price based off of a fully loaded model. I expect that if I'm getting a blk, there are no options (maybe a more aggressive DTM body kit for like 10k), but everything else should be standard.
I completely agree with you in saying that there are no 4 doors in this power range that would compare against a C blk. I feel that there is a market for a limited production car like this. As far as the M5 though, there's already the E63 to compete with that.
I completely agree with you in saying that there are no 4 doors in this power range that would compare against a C blk. I feel that there is a market for a limited production car like this. As far as the M5 though, there's already the E63 to compete with that.
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The Black Series is suppose to be a more racy, light weight, faster version of an already existing model. It doesn't make sense to produce a C-class Black because first of all it is a sedan, all blacks to date have been two-door coupe where there are no back seats or have had them removed to save weight. The production of a 4 door C-class black would be contradictory since they would have to remove the rear seats, which makes it a two-seater, in turn wouldn't need the rear doors.
I'm sorry do you work for Mercedes? Was there a written rule that all black series vehicles should be 2 seat/door? Correct me if I'm wrong but there have only been 2 black series cars so far. Not much of a line up to conclude that they will only make 2 seaters.
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