Got beaten by a cts-v 2009.
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And for the record Oliverk (not that you care) I find your posts to be objective and to the point. And while some people may take offense, you call it like you see it.
But every now and then I think you step outside your own knowledge and allow your opinions to override facts. This be one of them cases... and so I'm just, as you would say, telling it like it is.
From one enthusiast to another... you can appreciate that I am sure.
But every now and then I think you step outside your own knowledge and allow your opinions to override facts. This be one of them cases... and so I'm just, as you would say, telling it like it is.
From one enthusiast to another... you can appreciate that I am sure.
I'm passionate about vehicles, and therefore, sometimes my internal filter gets overwhelmed.
cheers!
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So you're basing your "factual evidence" from an internet forum? Its pretty common knowledge that people are much more likely to complain on a forum. Furthermore, the C63 hasn't been problem free either.
So because Eric hasn't been around, you've come to the decision that he's regretting his decision? Any basis for that?
High school was quite a few years ago, but I was on the debate team.
Hmm, I currently own a ford, and I've owned 5 german cars. Doesn't that mean I have some experience?
So because Eric hasn't been around, you've come to the decision that he's regretting his decision? Any basis for that?
High school was quite a few years ago, but I was on the debate team.
Hmm, I currently own a ford, and I've owned 5 german cars. Doesn't that mean I have some experience?
No basis really, I do know that some of his last posts were him talking about car problems and having to take his V back to the dealership. Not sure if that's why he stopped bragging about his V on this forum though.
I knew it!
Ford qualifies, but GM would be a better. Since the score is MB = 5 and American = 1, would you not agree that German engineering is superior?
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well, to be fair, the favorite car I owned was the 1995 M3. That said, all of the german cars I owned were far more expensive than the mustang, so its not a great comparison. However, the mustang has been dead nuts reliable (with the exception of stuff that my mods have done), it sounds good, it moves ok, and its still fairly attractive. Its dead nuts simple, and built poorly, but its sturdy enough.
I would have no problems with a Z06, for instance.
I would have no problems with a Z06, for instance.
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So I've told a fella his light covers are dangerous and silly, and then when he argues that all S-class owners are boring, I make the post that I understand the need for speed due to my ownership of a heavily modified mustang. I don't see the problem.
Are you kidding? This whole forum is filled with complaints about MB problems.
Considering Buick was given some of the best JD Power ratings for quality, beating Lexus for at least one year, I'd say your anecdotal Enclave experience isn't worth much.
Are you kidding? This whole forum is filled with complaints about MB problems.
Considering Buick was given some of the best JD Power ratings for quality, beating Lexus for at least one year, I'd say your anecdotal Enclave experience isn't worth much.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...tings-by-brand
The caddy did very well in 09 though I must say.
Caddy should break away from GM and they would be much better off because if you average it out GM didnt do well at all. 
Study that chart and tell me again how GM has better quality than MB.
Sorry, but you burned yourself this time.
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Yes the Cadillac has 556hp but also weights about 300-400lbs more. I was expecting the match to be even. I can only think the person launched the car with the traction control on(C63)
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1) tires
2) making the rear fenders flared to accomodate the lack of wider tires
Again, AMG is a total fail on that aspect. Don't argue, it is what it is.
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On hand Car and Driver magazine Nov 2008 edition VIR lighting lap comparo
Cadillac 3 minutes 4 sec,00
C63 AMG 3 minutes 6 sec,5
Same magazine, page 89
Cadillac 0-60 4.3sec 0-100 mph 9.7 1/4 mile 12.6@116mph
C63 AMG motor trend test
0-60 4.1 sec 0-100mph 9.7 1/4 mile 12.5@114
Car and driver
C63AMG 3.9 SEC 0-60 MPH 12.3@116 mph
Here is some ammo:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html
Here is more ammo(stock C63 AMG 0-60 mph 3.9sec , 1/4 MILE 12.3@116mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...c63_amg_page_3
I don't understand why the C63 lost. It shows better acceleration in every test..
Cadillac 3 minutes 4 sec,00
C63 AMG 3 minutes 6 sec,5
Same magazine, page 89
Cadillac 0-60 4.3sec 0-100 mph 9.7 1/4 mile 12.6@116mph
C63 AMG motor trend test
0-60 4.1 sec 0-100mph 9.7 1/4 mile 12.5@114
Car and driver
C63AMG 3.9 SEC 0-60 MPH 12.3@116 mph
Here is some ammo:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html
Here is more ammo(stock C63 AMG 0-60 mph 3.9sec , 1/4 MILE 12.3@116mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...c63_amg_page_3
I don't understand why the C63 lost. It shows better acceleration in every test..
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++1111111 on the tires size. I am the number one critic on this. I always maintainined that we totally bend over against any other car. You will not find any other car in the world with such power(451HP) and such skinny tires. AMG is a total fail in two things:
1) tires
2) making the rear fenders flared to accomodate the lack of wider tires
Again, AMG is a total fail on that aspect. Don't argue, it is what it is.
1) tires
2) making the rear fenders flared to accomodate the lack of wider tires
Again, AMG is a total fail on that aspect. Don't argue, it is what it is.
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It didnt beat the lexus.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...tings-by-brand
The caddy did very well in 09 though I must say. Caddy should break away from GM and they would be much better off because if you average it out GM didnt do well at all.
Study that chart and tell me again how GM has better quality than MB.
Sorry, but you burned yourself this time.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...tings-by-brand
The caddy did very well in 09 though I must say.
Caddy should break away from GM and they would be much better off because if you average it out GM didnt do well at all. Study that chart and tell me again how GM has better quality than MB.
Sorry, but you burned yourself this time.
NEW YORK – British luxury carmaker Jaguar surged to the top of J.D. Power and Associates' closely watched vehicle dependability study this year, tying Buick for the No. 1 spot and dethroning Lexus for the first time since the Japanese luxury brand has been a part of the survey.
Lexus, Toyota Motor Corp.'s luxury brand, took the next spot in the study released Thursday, followed by Toyota's namesake brand, then Mercury, Infiniti and Acura.
"Buick and Jaguar both lead the industry in nameplate performance," said Neal Oddes, director of product research and analysis at J.D. Power. "In terms of individual model performance, Lexus and Toyota still do very, very well."
The annual study measures problems experienced by the original owners of vehicles after three years. Suzuki owners reported the most problems among the 37 brands assessed by J.D. Power.
Despite losing its crown to Jaguar and Buick, Lexus still swept top awards in four segments, while Toyota's namesake brand took five awards. General Motors Corp.'s Buick LaCrosse was J.D. Power's top midsize car, while Ford Motor Co.'s Lincoln brand took two awards. Chrysler LLC, which took no segment awards last year, won top honors for its Dodge Caravan in the van segment.
Jaguar's sudden jump to the top from its No. 10 spot in 2008 was notable for a study that is fairly consistent from year to year. Oddes said the brand has made significant improvements across many areas.
"We see improvements all over the board with Jaguar," Oddes said, citing fewer reported problems with vehicle exterior, sound system and the overall driving experience. "The improvement at a nameplate level is significant."
Still, Jaguar, which Indian car giant Tata Motors Ltd. bought from Ford in 2007, remains a relatively small-volume brand in the U.S. It sold just 14,000 vehicles here in 2008, while Buick sold 128,000.
Oddes said this year's study was redesigned to exclude routine fixes from a vehicle's list of problems. For example, the study no longer counts tire or windshield wiper replacements as a reportable problem. The intended result is a study that focuses on actual glitches with a vehicle, Oddes said, though it also makes it difficult to make year-over-year comparisons.
"We cleaned up the survey to really try to focus in on things that are truly broken," he said.
The industry average was 170 problems per 100 vehicles, or somewhat less than two problems per vehicle. Last year, the industry average was 206 problems per 100 vehicles, but year-over-year improvements this year are much less pronounced when accounting for the changes in the study's methodology, Oddes said.
The most frequently reported problem was wind noise, followed by brake noise, peeling paint, brake vibrations and problems with a vehicle's lights, Oddes said. The problems have been fairly consistent from year to year, he said.
J.D. Power's dependability study surveyed 46,313 original owners of 2006 model-year vehicles in October 2008. The results are watched closely by automakers and are often used in advertising. Owners' opinion of a car after three years can be a major influence on their opinion to buy that brand again.
The firm also releases an initial quality study, which measures problems in the first 90 days of ownership.
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C63 AMG
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It didnt beat the lexus.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...tings-by-brand
The caddy did very well in 09 though I must say. Caddy should break away from GM and they would be much better off because if you average it out GM didnt do well at all.
Study that chart and tell me again how GM has better quality than MB.
Sorry, but you burned yourself this time.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...tings-by-brand
The caddy did very well in 09 though I must say.
Caddy should break away from GM and they would be much better off because if you average it out GM didnt do well at all. Study that chart and tell me again how GM has better quality than MB.
Sorry, but you burned yourself this time.
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...spx?id=2009043
for quick reference, GMC, Buick, Cadillac, Ford, and Lincoln all ranked higher than MB, with Chevrolet coming in just below.
2008 results
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...spx?ID=2008115
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'09 C63 AMG, '06 CTS-V
perhaps you are correct about initial quality, however I was referring to dependability. My mistake for not claifiying.
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...spx?id=2009043
for quick reference, GMC, Buick, Cadillac, Ford, and Lincoln all ranked higher than MB, with Chevrolet coming in just below.
2008 results
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...spx?ID=2008115
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...spx?id=2009043
for quick reference, GMC, Buick, Cadillac, Ford, and Lincoln all ranked higher than MB, with Chevrolet coming in just below.
2008 results
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...spx?ID=2008115
Granted, I do not have a body of evidence - but I happen to work in an industry that is similar - pay the analysts or get screwed in their analyses.
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This is better than TV and much cheaper.
Acceleration is a function of weight, power and traction.
Reduce weight and/or increase power and/or traction and you will improve acceleration.
It's not rocket surgery.
Acceleration is a function of weight, power and traction.
Reduce weight and/or increase power and/or traction and you will improve acceleration.
It's not rocket surgery.
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WOW.... i started this thread just 1 day back.. and 4pages already OMG... and most of the guys bashing the cadillac.. comon guys, you know what my friend with the c63 is going crazy about the cts-v ... and even the cts-v owner loved the c63.. and both of them are friends now, so why cant c63 or any amg owner or mb owner be friends with cadillac here? i mean we love to race, and respect good cars, and trust me folks, cts-v is a very good car and it commands respect. anyways.. we are planning to have a race again this weekend, i know the c63 can't beat the V, but as i said both respective drivers are enthusiasts, and have great respect for each other. Are there any V owners over here, just wanted to ask is the auto really faster than the manual??..
Thankyou guys for posting comments, but please try not to bash the V, because im in love with it :-) .... each to his own. thankyou.
Thankyou guys for posting comments, but please try not to bash the V, because im in love with it :-) .... each to his own. thankyou.
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What do you mean off course? I have a road test with the Mercedes doing 0-60mph in 3.9 sec and another one in 4.1 sec. Edmunds tested them both and the C63 got 4.1 sec and the Cadillac did 4.3 sec.
Yes the Cadillac has 556hp but also weights about 300-400lbs more. I was expecting the match to be even. I can only think the person launched the car with the traction control on(C63)
Yes the Cadillac has 556hp but also weights about 300-400lbs more. I was expecting the match to be even. I can only think the person launched the car with the traction control on(C63)
1. cts v will beat c63 amg in 0 to 60
i was talking bt regular highway stuff.....not drag times....i love my amg....but regarding this thread on a open highway with speeds 100 to 150+..thats when u will see the diff....but then ofcourse the caddy is supercharged 556 hp....and the benz is n/a 451 i think....so its not even fair for them to b compared power wise...
the c63 looks way more sexier...thats a no contest for me.
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did u find anywhere in my post written:
1. cts v will beat c63 amg in 0 to 60
i was talking bt regular highway stuff.....not drag times....i love my amg....but regarding this thread on a open highway with speeds 100 to 150+..thats when u will see the diff....but then ofcourse the caddy is supercharged 556 hp....and the benz is n/a 451 i think....so its not even fair for them to b compared power wise...
the c63 looks way more sexier...thats a no contest for me.
1. cts v will beat c63 amg in 0 to 60
i was talking bt regular highway stuff.....not drag times....i love my amg....but regarding this thread on a open highway with speeds 100 to 150+..thats when u will see the diff....but then ofcourse the caddy is supercharged 556 hp....and the benz is n/a 451 i think....so its not even fair for them to b compared power wise...
the c63 looks way more sexier...thats a no contest for me.
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I would not consider JD Power to be the most objective information source. They get paid primarily by auto manufacturers (consulting, shaping consumer perceptions, etc) - you want a good rating? you pay me good moola.
Granted, I do not have a body of evidence - but I happen to work in an industry that is similar - pay the analysts or get screwed in their analyses.
Granted, I do not have a body of evidence - but I happen to work in an industry that is similar - pay the analysts or get screwed in their analyses.
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perhaps you are correct about initial quality, however I was referring to dependability. My mistake for not claifiying.
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...spx?id=2009043
for quick reference, GMC, Buick, Cadillac, Ford, and Lincoln all ranked higher than MB, with Chevrolet coming in just below.
2008 results
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...spx?ID=2008115
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...spx?id=2009043
for quick reference, GMC, Buick, Cadillac, Ford, and Lincoln all ranked higher than MB, with Chevrolet coming in just below.
2008 results
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...spx?ID=2008115
I wish I could say the same about my other GM's. My Buick and Caddy had many problems. The Caddy so much so that I had to sell her. I never sell cars. I have a small warehouse where I store them all. The Caddy gave me so much trouble mechanically I had to let her go. Also with the engineering. The wheel hop was so completely unacceptable it wasn’t even funny.
In the end I was on the fence for the CTSV and decided to go with the C63 instead due to my past experience with Caddy. Hopefully everything has improved and maybe ill get one next year because the numbers sure are tempting. Of the many things that keep me enjoying my C63 I feel like im driving a GM. The engine sound and power really feels like an old GM. It always takes me back to a 1970 Monty Carlo I owned.
