Dyno Results :: Before and After :: Stock to Kleemann K1 Tune :: Two 2010 C63s
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It's CF vinyl that I purchased online and put on myself. 
That's what we were saying...that car is incredibly high-powered for a stock CLS. But the owner said it's bone stock.
Off the shelf tune--Kleemann K1.
It depends on the dealership. There are dealerships in this area that installs and endorses Kleemann products. So, having it flashed by Kleemann would be acceptable at that dealership.
It depends on the dealership. There are dealerships in this area that installs and endorses Kleemann products. So, having it flashed by Kleemann would be acceptable at that dealership.
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That's the other interesting variable in this comparison. Superlubricity babied his car during the break-in period with mostly freeway miles, whereas I drove it hard. We were interested in seeing if driving it hard during break-in would result in higher gains from ECU tune vs. babying the car. It came out to be roughly even.
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I am taking everyones comments onboard about my CLS.
It was run on the dyno with the 20" vossen wheels on it.
I was told when I purchased the car that it was used by a business person locally just to and from work. It is from a local MB dealer from whom we have purchased a few cars and they are not keen on mods to their vehicles. It was sold new by them. When I bought it is was CPO'd and totally stock in appearance. I received some of the maintenance sheets as well and had nothing to indicate it had been modified. I did read somewhere that RWHP could be pretty good ... maybe here;
http://www.rri.se/popup/performanceg...p?ChartsID=152
I also have a Kleeman catalog that says the stock CLS55 is 476hp. ... either way that is still a big difference.
Not sure what to think now.???? if it does have a tune and has been CPO'd by the dealer then I guess I don't have any warranty issues. Who knows?
Just thinking out loud here.... do you think the lower tire sidewall size results in a lot less tire flex and more power down? (couldn't imagine it helping more than a couple hp).
It was run on the dyno with the 20" vossen wheels on it.
I was told when I purchased the car that it was used by a business person locally just to and from work. It is from a local MB dealer from whom we have purchased a few cars and they are not keen on mods to their vehicles. It was sold new by them. When I bought it is was CPO'd and totally stock in appearance. I received some of the maintenance sheets as well and had nothing to indicate it had been modified. I did read somewhere that RWHP could be pretty good ... maybe here;
http://www.rri.se/popup/performanceg...p?ChartsID=152
I also have a Kleeman catalog that says the stock CLS55 is 476hp. ... either way that is still a big difference.
Not sure what to think now.???? if it does have a tune and has been CPO'd by the dealer then I guess I don't have any warranty issues. Who knows?
Just thinking out loud here.... do you think the lower tire sidewall size results in a lot less tire flex and more power down? (couldn't imagine it helping more than a couple hp).
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As for why the 5th gear pull was stronger then the 4th gear pull, you have to keep in mind, that I flashes these vehicles while they we're strapped on the dyno, meaning minimal time to adapt to the new mapping on the ECU. We obviously ran in on the dyno for a bit, but as the vehicle continues to learn the new tune it will continue to get stronger!
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So I've been talking to Cory about sending my ECU into the Colorado Kleemann HQ...do you guys think I'll get similar results (assuming baseline my car is the same) since you have an off-the-shelf program? Or is the program you received different than what they'll have at Kleemann?
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So I've been talking to Cory about sending my ECU into the Colorado Kleemann HQ...do you guys think I'll get similar results (assuming baseline my car is the same) since you have an off-the-shelf program? Or is the program you received different than what they'll have at Kleemann?
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Thanks, was hoping as much.
Also contacted MB of Honolulu, and they said that a Kleemann ECU reflash will void warranty to anything and everything that could possibly be a result of the reflash (they said that even bolt-ons will void anything closely tied to that component, and it had to be all CAT back or before manifold, which makes sense).
From just a K1 upgrade, what, if any, problems could develop? This assumes I keep it well oiled and take care of it like I normally do--the motor and tranny seem built for more power than it has stock.
Also contacted MB of Honolulu, and they said that a Kleemann ECU reflash will void warranty to anything and everything that could possibly be a result of the reflash (they said that even bolt-ons will void anything closely tied to that component, and it had to be all CAT back or before manifold, which makes sense).
From just a K1 upgrade, what, if any, problems could develop? This assumes I keep it well oiled and take care of it like I normally do--the motor and tranny seem built for more power than it has stock.
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Disregard my warranty issues...looks like the burden of proof is on MB per the M-M act discussions in other posts.
Besides, I'm guessing that if I crack a rod or camshaft, it has nothing to do with the upgrade, and more to do with lack of overall maintenance (or an already existing problem). I suppose at that point it is up to the God's of Cars to determine fault.
Besides, I'm guessing that if I crack a rod or camshaft, it has nothing to do with the upgrade, and more to do with lack of overall maintenance (or an already existing problem). I suppose at that point it is up to the God's of Cars to determine fault.
Great info, great pics........... GREAT POST! 
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Very good review, very well detailed, people shouldn't have to guess when going for a Kleeman upgrade. I really wish the torque numbers were higher. I don't know what is about this engine that the HP jumps high but the torque remains hardly changed.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing.
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That's the other interesting variable in this comparison. Superlubricity babied his car during the break-in period with mostly freeway miles, whereas I drove it hard. We were interested in seeing if driving it hard during break-in would result in higher gains from ECU tune vs. babying the car. It came out to be roughly even.
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I'm setting up a second dyno day for end of February (either the 27th or 28th). Please PM me if you are interested in attending. Looks like we'll have at least four C63s and quite a few 55's showing up.
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DucatiNut (the CLS-owner) was the second owner. The consensus thinks there may be mods on the car that he is unaware of.
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Cool. I was already couting you as "in." 
nrgy and Even Money are also likely in. RLx02 (Kleemann C55) and BeltFedBob (Kleemann SL55 back from the shop!) have expressed interest as well.
I'll reserve Sat the 27th once we have 7 confirmed.
nrgy and Even Money are also likely in. RLx02 (Kleemann C55) and BeltFedBob (Kleemann SL55 back from the shop!) have expressed interest as well.
I'll reserve Sat the 27th once we have 7 confirmed.
