605hp from the 63 engine!
01-22-2010, 04:48 PM
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I can't throw rocks at this price since I paid close to that much on all my mods on the E55 (but then again I had to get the engine rebuilt...THANKS PTE...F.U. MB USA)...that Vath C63 should be a monster, though.
01-22-2010, 05:06 PM
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CH...that's in pounds so you are looking at close to $32K US...
I can't throw rocks at this price since I paid close to that much on all my mods on the E55 (but then again I had to get the engine rebuilt...THANKS PTE...F.U. MB USA)...that Vath C63 should be a monster, though.
I can't throw rocks at this price since I paid close to that much on all my mods on the E55 (but then again I had to get the engine rebuilt...THANKS PTE...F.U. MB USA)...that Vath C63 should be a monster, though.
heads, cams. exhust etc or is a stroker kit much different?
also i recall seeing the M5 stroker race a stock M5 it was pure murder, like E320 vs E 55 murder
01-22-2010, 07:43 PM
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It was just an in-house project. Not sure of the specific parts, sorry... but upgraded internals, exhaust work + tune were what he said IIRC. I asked how I could get that kind of an upgrade though the dealer! ... he said they wouldn't do it because it wouldn't live up to warranty obligations.... but, at least we know it's possible. My guess is that it was basically the engine that is in the SLS now, but with a more aggressive tune. But that is just my guess. The SLS was still under wraps then.
I also inquired about the possibility of a tune for the C63 available through dealers. Kind of like BMW offers "Performance Parts." He said that was not going to happen. Their POV was "the car is just right as it is." Don't know if that will change......
01-22-2010, 07:47 PM
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It was just an in-house project. Not sure of the specific parts, sorry... but upgraded internals, exhaust work + tune were what he said IIRC. I asked how I could get that kind of an upgrade though the dealer! ... he said they wouldn't do it because it wouldn't live up to warranty obligations.... but, at least we know it's possible. My guess is that it was basically the engine that is in the SLS now, but with a more aggressive tune. But that is just my guess. The SLS was still under wraps then.
I also inquired about the possibility of a tune for the C63 available through dealers. Kind of like BMW offers "Performance Parts." He said that was not going to happen. Their POV was "the car is just right as it is." Don't know if that will change......
I also inquired about the possibility of a tune for the C63 available through dealers. Kind of like BMW offers "Performance Parts." He said that was not going to happen. Their POV was "the car is just right as it is." Don't know if that will change......
01-22-2010, 07:59 PM
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01-22-2010, 09:33 PM
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Okay it might be in the new E63 but at least it looks like it's possible without forced induction. The article is a snippet of the full one on worldcarfans.com
"Under the hood, VÄTH enlarged the cylinder head channels, installed new engine management software, and added new pistons, valves, sport cam shafts, a larger intake, and bigger exhaust valves (all for a whopping €19,635). Thanks to these modifications, the engine produces 605 hp and 690 Nm of torque (an increase of 87 hp and 60 Nm of torque). This allows the V63RS to accelerate from 0 to 100 km/h in 4.1 seconds, before topping out at 340 km/h (211 mph)"
"Under the hood, VÄTH enlarged the cylinder head channels, installed new engine management software, and added new pistons, valves, sport cam shafts, a larger intake, and bigger exhaust valves (all for a whopping €19,635). Thanks to these modifications, the engine produces 605 hp and 690 Nm of torque (an increase of 87 hp and 60 Nm of torque). This allows the V63RS to accelerate from 0 to 100 km/h in 4.1 seconds, before topping out at 340 km/h (211 mph)"
Can we please get past the FWHP/BHP misunderstanding. It was not intentional and enough said. Good grief.
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01-22-2010, 09:42 PM
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Sincity, can I ask you an honest question? Why does the BMW group feel like the M3 is a faster and better car? I looked on dragtimes.com and none are below 11.41 and the quickest 60-130 on sixspeedonline.com (with the exception of 5.83 - RaceMX-M3 / Turbocharged E46 M3 / 1-shift) is 8.59. Both cars are equally fast when modified as much. Why does the M3 or M5 crowd feel like they need to come over here and tell us how slow we are?? I dont troll over on the M3post and tell them how their cars perform. Both cars are great cars and I like them both. Why can't we race and get along? There will always be a car faster than our own. Racing is fun and both cars run well.
....most of us are pretty much just D**KS...
01-22-2010, 10:02 PM
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You are correct Josh. I corrected my post to read a little softer. I am not trying to brag, just stating facts about the Vath package and what you should expect for all that work. I think you have to agree that for a complete motor overhaul the numbers should be better.
01-22-2010, 10:12 PM
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Vath ML63 Brabus C63 SL63 CLK63BS C63BS
Vath management have assured me that in excess of 585hp is possible in my ML63 with air filters, tune, headers and hiflow cats, lets hope they are right...!
01-22-2010, 10:14 PM
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You are correct Josh. I corrected my post to read a little softer. I am not trying to brag, just stating facts about the Vath package and what you should expect for all that work. I think you have to agree that for a complete motor overhaul the numbers should be better.
It's just such a biatch to get good launch times on street tires in these cars even after minor mods, let alone a whole engine rebuild. And I'd hope they would be pulling more like 650+hp with that kind of mods. That's just fruity like a bag of rainbows to go that far with this motor and come up low like that. But again, there's that whole dyno variation thing and maybe they're not inflating their numbers like a bunch of other tuners do...
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01-23-2010, 01:22 AM
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BTW, he got that 5.83 off skinny little 275 18's.
01-23-2010, 08:15 AM
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Man, I just hope I didn't use an improper acronym in this post...
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01-23-2010, 04:59 PM
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His car is scary fast.
01-24-2010, 09:02 AM
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The stock motors in the ML63 and C63, is there any difference in them?
Nasty posts for someone criticising the actions of C63 members. Sadly it always seems to be the non-owners that flare up to give the forum bad press.
The Aussies would have understood what was meant, FWHP means flywheel here, always has. This is the land of rear wheel drive cars.
My Aussie C63 cost around $135,000 US dollars which would be more than a 4 year old fully loaded M5. A stable doesn’t make you better or right, bragging just makes you obnoxious.
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01-25-2010, 01:52 AM
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The stock motors in the ML63 and C63, is there any difference in them?
Nasty posts for someone criticising the actions of C63 members. Sadly it always seems to be the non-owners that flare up to give the forum bad press.
The Aussies would have understood what was meant, FWHP means flywheel here, always has. This is the land of rear wheel drive cars.
My Aussie C63 cost around $135,000 US dollars which would be more than a 4 year old fully loaded M5. A stable doesn’t make you better or right, bragging just makes you obnoxious.
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Nasty posts for someone criticising the actions of C63 members. Sadly it always seems to be the non-owners that flare up to give the forum bad press.
The Aussies would have understood what was meant, FWHP means flywheel here, always has. This is the land of rear wheel drive cars.
My Aussie C63 cost around $135,000 US dollars which would be more than a 4 year old fully loaded M5. A stable doesn’t make you better or right, bragging just makes you obnoxious.
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01-25-2010, 09:05 AM
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E55, S65, C63, SLK55K4
Dads c63.. do you have any dyno numbers? I do understand you have one of if not the fastest c63 on the forum (knock on wood). I'd love to compare your numbers to other packages.
As for m3's vs c63's. All i can say is out of first hand experience is that i've beaten a friends HPF turbocharged stage 2 600whp on pump gas M3 with my modest C63 k1 tune 93 octane.
As for m3's vs c63's. All i can say is out of first hand experience is that i've beaten a friends HPF turbocharged stage 2 600whp on pump gas M3 with my modest C63 k1 tune 93 octane.
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01-25-2010, 03:50 PM
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2009 MB C63 2007 MB ML63 2006 MB CLS 500 (wife)
The stock motors in the ML63 and C63, is there any difference in them?
There is no motor difference, but there is ECU and Exhaust difference.
Nasty posts for someone criticising the actions of C63 members. Sadly it always seems to be the non-owners that flare up to give the forum bad press.
The Aussies would have understood what was meant, FWHP means flywheel here, always has. This is the land of rear wheel drive cars.
My Aussie C63 cost around $135,000 US dollars which would be more than a 4 year old fully loaded M5. A stable doesn’t make you better or right, bragging just makes you obnoxious.
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There is no motor difference, but there is ECU and Exhaust difference.
Nasty posts for someone criticising the actions of C63 members. Sadly it always seems to be the non-owners that flare up to give the forum bad press.
The Aussies would have understood what was meant, FWHP means flywheel here, always has. This is the land of rear wheel drive cars.
My Aussie C63 cost around $135,000 US dollars which would be more than a 4 year old fully loaded M5. A stable doesn’t make you better or right, bragging just makes you obnoxious.
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CH...that's in pounds so you are looking at close to $32K US...
I can't throw rocks at this price since I paid close to that much on all my mods on the E55 (but then again I had to get the engine rebuilt...THANKS PTE...F.U. MB USA)...that Vath C63 should be a monster, though.
I can't throw rocks at this price since I paid close to that much on all my mods on the E55 (but then again I had to get the engine rebuilt...THANKS PTE...F.U. MB USA)...that Vath C63 should be a monster, though.
1 Euro = 1.4145 U.S. dollars Jan 25/2010
20 000 Euros = 28 290 U.S. dollars
