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At one time this was who Andy was working with to do a lot of the MHP tuning. I think the guys name is Dave.
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From their site . . .
They also tune Mopar -> http://www.bgperformancepcm.com/ and Mini/Bimmer -> http://www.bgminicooper.com/
David Kasper: B&G Chrysler Specialists is proud to announce its partnership with world renowned driveline tuner David Kasper. With over 25 years of experience in tuning, dyno calibration, and both drag and road racing he is unquestionably a master at his craft, bringing a vast array of both general and application specific knowledge to our staff. Dave has tuned literally every application possible from positive displacement blowers, centrifugal superchargers, single and twin turbo's, to naturally aspirated and nitrous combinations, as well as duel power adder apps. Dave's expertise is not limited by the geographic origin of vehicles, as such he is able to tune most makes of high end European performance and luxury/performance vehicles including those from Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Bentley, Porsche, VW, Audi, BMW, Mini, and Mercedes as well as domestic variants from Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Dave specializes in complete driveline tuning, meaning both transmission(TCU/TCM) and engine(PCM/ECU) code modifications. He is a recognized and certified SCT, HPtuner, and DiabloSport tuner, though it's his ability to read and modify OEM code and if necessary create his own application specific hardware that truly separates him from other great tuners of the world. Dave brings a lifetime of experience backed with credentials and results to our driveline tuning program, and we at B&G gladly stand behind him and his work. Here are a few more of his acomplishemts. 14 years with DaimlerChrysler Corporation with a position as a Service Engineer/Software Development Engineer, 500 hours + of DaimlerChrysler Vehicle training, Certified in C/C++, Certified in Motorola programing language, and there's more.
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Rick pull your head way outta your LongTubed ***...
100% Dave(B&G) and Andy(MHP) still talk and the MBZ 63 tunes from Andy and Dave are the same excact tune from same tuner.. Take that as you may. It is 100% fact. I won't say how I know. Those of you that know me know I have no reason to make this up. Not saying it's a good or bad thing, just setting the record straight. I have an ECU with the B&G label on it frome a long long time ago.
Andy's words from other MB site
As you already know Rick...You asked me to retune your car 3 mos ago and 1.5 mos ago, I haven't worked with Dave on anything Euro (just Chrysler of which he is literally a master) for over a year now; I declined to touch your ECU/Car due to our past business relationship and the lack of trust therein. You then called Dave to try to backdoor me, guess what, Dave resells MY files now. So when I get the call from Dave for a CLS63 with Exhaust I know exactly who it's for and it gets nixxed. Just to be 100% clear Dave has never actually sold a European file for me, you would've been the first.
As was made clear in the initial post I worked with Dave pre March 2009, however not since for ANYTHING European MB/AMG included, you know this otherwise why would you have bothered to ask me for another tune???
You can call Dave to verify all this info at your leisure btw, as can anyone. I've already asked him to remove my logo from his site as I want there to be NO confusion.
As was made clear in the initial post I worked with Dave pre March 2009, however not since for ANYTHING European MB/AMG included, you know this otherwise why would you have bothered to ask me for another tune???
You can call Dave to verify all this info at your leisure btw, as can anyone. I've already asked him to remove my logo from his site as I want there to be NO confusion.
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WARNING, FEATHER POOFING activated..
like I said " TAKE IT AS YOU MAY " that's it. Members can think for themself, but thankS for trying to help.
ricker, RELAX MAN. I'm not worth getting upset over. It's only ONE mans post.
ALL forum member DO have the right to post, even if YOU like it or NOT.
Don't ruin the OP's thread with another "HE SADS SHE SAID" out burst.
And yes Dave does know tuning. He is also a good guy to work with. Takes the time to explain what he does in detail. Also calls you back when he says he will.
OK, so with that said, when B&G states they tune 63's and MHP(andy) states they do the files for "B&G" You don't have to be a Rocket Scientist to know that the MBZ 63 ecu files that B&G AND MHP sell are the SAME FILES
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What's the big deal? I happen to think the tune is a good tune.
I would love to do a test with it on the dyno and at the track, although Andy seems to think I want to steel his file sorry man but it's funny. I donate to homeless people, abused kids, give away free cars to the needy(twice) and my wife rescuse dogs at my house( i have way to many LOL ) I have also helped out a few members here when they needed something, So for me to steal a tune What would I do with it? give it to children hospital.
Andy please get over that part of this whole thing. You know I would NEVER do ANYTHING like that. No matter what you say YOU LIKE ME , now get over it. and yes I forgive you
WARNING, FEATHER POOFING activated..
like I said " TAKE IT AS YOU MAY " that's it. Members can think for themself, but thankS for trying to help.
ricker, RELAX MAN. I'm not worth getting upset over. It's only ONE mans post.
ALL forum member DO have the right to post, even if YOU like it or NOT.
Don't ruin the OP's thread with another "HE SADS SHE SAID" out burst.
And yes Dave does know tuning. He is also a good guy to work with. Takes the time to explain what he does in detail. Also calls you back when he says he will.
OK, so with that said, when B&G states they tune 63's and MHP(andy) states they do the files for "B&G" You don't have to be a Rocket Scientist to know that the MBZ 63 ecu files that B&G AND MHP sell are the SAME FILES
.What's the big deal? I happen to think the tune is a good tune.
I would love to do a test with it on the dyno and at the track, although Andy seems to think I want to steel his file
sorry man but it's funny. I donate to homeless people, abused kids, give away free cars to the needy(twice) and my wife rescuse dogs at my house( i have way to many LOL ) I have also helped out a few members here when they needed something, So for me to steal a tune What would I do with it? give it to children hospital. Andy please get over that part of this whole thing. You know I would NEVER do ANYTHING like that. No matter what you say YOU LIKE ME , now get over it. and yes I forgive you
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The only reason I brought this topic up was because B&G is highly regarded in the tuning scene. The bad thing about mercedes and most luxury brands is that you get flooded with flashy companies that don't know a checksumm from a bin file. The people in the know use the companies and tuners that let their products do the talking and not a fancy website or some half naked models.
We have a local tuner here that a few shops use that is very low key, but he has been approached by several larger companies for tuning, one of which is a sponsor on the board. He's worked on many very high end projects that a lot of the fancy companies could only dream of (RENNtech, Kleeman, and the like are not included in this).
I'm glad to see that someone knows who B&G is though.
We have a local tuner here that a few shops use that is very low key, but he has been approached by several larger companies for tuning, one of which is a sponsor on the board. He's worked on many very high end projects that a lot of the fancy companies could only dream of (RENNtech, Kleeman, and the like are not included in this).
I'm glad to see that someone knows who B&G is though.
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Which 63 had 700 hp NA with heads, cams, crank, pistons, etc....Regarding Dave, not only did Chris know Dave, but every single Mopar owner knew him including Steve, Adam, Paul, Lonnie, Ron, Ken, etc.... some had good things to say and some had bad things to say
By the way, the tune/tuner Andy/MHP is using now is NOT the same one they used to use before March of 2009. This is not just an opinion or speculation, it's a verifiable fact (computer files + data log/dyno). Just don't ask me how I know
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Very true MO, they do not use the same tuner they did back in March of 2009
That is not in question here, The comment made by me was both B&G and MHP 63 files are the same as of now.. Again I don't see any thing wrong with the tunes being the same All the data shows it to be a fantastic tune. You should buy it 
I know you're ready to start modding Test it out first hand MO. I'll even give you my Renntech Headers for free 
I just want to see you kick some azz and start the modding
That is not in question here, The comment made by me was both B&G and MHP 63 files are the same as of now.. Again I don't see any thing wrong with the tunes being the same
All the data shows it to be a fantastic tune. You should buy it I know you're ready to start modding Test it out first hand MO. I'll even give you my Renntech Headers for free I just want to see you kick some azz and start the modding
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Very true MO, they do not use the same tuner they did back in March of 2009
That is not in question here, The comment made by me was both B&G and MHP 63 files are the same as of now.. Again I don't see any thing wrong with the tunes being the same All the data shows it to be a fantastic tune. You should buy it I know you're ready to start modding Test it out first hand MO. I'll even give you my Renntech Headers for free
I just want to see you kick some azz and start the modding
That is not in question here, The comment made by me was both B&G and MHP 63 files are the same as of now.. Again I don't see any thing wrong with the tunes being the same
All the data shows it to be a fantastic tune. You should buy it I know you're ready to start modding Test it out first hand MO. I'll even give you my Renntech Headers for free I just want to see you kick some azz and start the modding
MHP used to use Dave's tunes up until March of 2009. After that date, all MHP tunes are foreign. Although I do not have 100% confirmation of this, I do have 100% confirmation from a very trusted source that on two of their August to October of 2009 tunes are indeed different than Dave's early work.... Please PM me.To be honest, I have to give credit where credit is due.... I've been monitoring MHP tunes on the C63 and it seems like all cars that have had MHP tune + headers have ran 11.5x or better:
1) Keith's car = 11.4x (when it had only headers + tune)
2) Andy/MHP's car = 11.5x
3) hhughes's car = 11.5x (MHP headers + Kleemann tune)
4) Mark's car = 11.5x (sorry forgot your screen name)
5) Mthis's car = 11.5x
Also, most of those cars have trapped within the 121 to 122 mph range, and I'm sure there are more people whom I forgot to mention (sorry about that). Such numbers show remarkeable consistency and power delivery despite coming from different cars, different owners, different tracks, different days, different conditions, etc.... This type of data is very solid.
In comparison, I've personally seen 3 Evosport/Powerchip cars run at Famoso in November of 2009: one with tune-only, one with Kleemann headers + tune, and finally, the infamous Silver Dragon (full 600+ hp) and on what was a relatively good day, with a DA of 100 to 200 ft, here were the results:
- Tune-Only C63 (Powerchip) = 12.4 to 12.6 @ 112 to 114 mph
- Kleemann+Tune C63 (Powerchip) = 12.0 to 12.3 @ 113 to 115 mph
- Full Evosport Modded C63 (Powerchip) = 12.1 to 12.4 @ 117 to 118 mph
Please note that I'm not trying to bash anybody here or start any wars between tuners, I'm just stating a few observations from different events based on the current data set. Only RennTech has matched those numbers with 11.5x @ 125 mph, and they are a company that I respect a great deal
I don't know if I'll mod my car now.... I got turned off by all the drama that has went on recently between all the tuners
However, I'm very interested in your build and am confident DynoComp will convert it into an even more aggressive monster. We need to get you into the low 11s my friend Famoso and Fontana open test n tunes will start very soon Josh just texted me as I type this that he is aiming for 125 mph trap to take over your nitrous trap speed record as well
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Actually, you mis-understood me.... MHP used to use Dave's tunes up until March of 2009. After that date, all MHP tunes are foreign. Although I do not have 100% confirmation of this, I do have 100% confirmation from a very trusted source that on two of their August to October of 2009 tunes are indeed different than Dave's early work.... Please PM me.
To be honest, I have to give credit where credit is due.... I've been monitoring MHP tunes on the C63 and it seems like all cars that have had MHP tune + headers have ran 11.5x or better:
1) Keith's car = 11.4x (when it had only headers + tune)
2) Andy/MHP's car = 11.5x
3) hhughes's car = 11.5x (Kleeman headers + MHP tune)
4) Mark's car = 11.5x (sorry forgot your screen name)
5) Mthis's car = 11.5x
Also, most of those cars have trapped within the 121 to 122 mph range, and I'm sure there are more people whom I forgot to mention (sorry about that). Such numbers show remarkeable consistency and power delivery despite coming from different cars, different owners, different tracks, different days, different conditions, etc.... This type of data is very solid.
In comparison, I've personally seen 3 Evosport/Powerchip cars run at Famoso in November of 2009: one with tune-only, one with Kleemann headers + tune, and finally, the infamous Silver Dragon (full 600+ hp) and on what was a relatively good day, with a DA of 100 to 200 ft, here were the results:
- Tune-Only C63 (Powerchip) = 12.4 to 12.6 @ 112 to 114 mph
- Kleemann+Tune C63 (Powerchip) = 12.0 to 12.3 @ 113 to 115 mph
- Full Evosport Modded C63 (Powerchip) = 12.1 to 12.4 @ 117 to 118 mph
Please note that I'm not trying to bash anybody here or start any wars between tuners, I'm just stating a few observations from different events based on the current data set. Only RennTech has matched those numbers with 11.5x @ 125 mph, and they are a company that I respect a great deal
I don't know if I'll mod my car now.... I got turned off by all the drama that has went on recently between all the tuners However, I'm very interested in your build and am confident DynoComp will convert it into an even more aggressive monster. We need to get you into the low 11s my friend Famoso and Fontana open test n tunes will start very soon Josh just texted me as I type this that he is aiming for 125 mph trap to take over your nitrous trap speed record as well
MHP used to use Dave's tunes up until March of 2009. After that date, all MHP tunes are foreign. Although I do not have 100% confirmation of this, I do have 100% confirmation from a very trusted source that on two of their August to October of 2009 tunes are indeed different than Dave's early work.... Please PM me.To be honest, I have to give credit where credit is due.... I've been monitoring MHP tunes on the C63 and it seems like all cars that have had MHP tune + headers have ran 11.5x or better:
1) Keith's car = 11.4x (when it had only headers + tune)
2) Andy/MHP's car = 11.5x
3) hhughes's car = 11.5x (Kleeman headers + MHP tune)
4) Mark's car = 11.5x (sorry forgot your screen name)
5) Mthis's car = 11.5x
Also, most of those cars have trapped within the 121 to 122 mph range, and I'm sure there are more people whom I forgot to mention (sorry about that). Such numbers show remarkeable consistency and power delivery despite coming from different cars, different owners, different tracks, different days, different conditions, etc.... This type of data is very solid.
In comparison, I've personally seen 3 Evosport/Powerchip cars run at Famoso in November of 2009: one with tune-only, one with Kleemann headers + tune, and finally, the infamous Silver Dragon (full 600+ hp) and on what was a relatively good day, with a DA of 100 to 200 ft, here were the results:
- Tune-Only C63 (Powerchip) = 12.4 to 12.6 @ 112 to 114 mph
- Kleemann+Tune C63 (Powerchip) = 12.0 to 12.3 @ 113 to 115 mph
- Full Evosport Modded C63 (Powerchip) = 12.1 to 12.4 @ 117 to 118 mph
Please note that I'm not trying to bash anybody here or start any wars between tuners, I'm just stating a few observations from different events based on the current data set. Only RennTech has matched those numbers with 11.5x @ 125 mph, and they are a company that I respect a great deal
I don't know if I'll mod my car now.... I got turned off by all the drama that has went on recently between all the tuners
However, I'm very interested in your build and am confident DynoComp will convert it into an even more aggressive monster. We need to get you into the low 11s my friend Famoso and Fontana open test n tunes will start very soon Josh just texted me as I type this that he is aiming for 125 mph trap to take over your nitrous trap speed record as well EDIT: Oh, BTW, I think people are missing RAR's point. Everyone seems to agree that Andy is no longer using Dave's calibrations for the M156 vehicles. RAR's point is, it can still be the same file(s) - if Dave now gets them from Andy (instead of the opposite, as it used to be). Which may or may not be true, IDK.
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