REDSRT

Did any of you guys need a camber kit after installing springs?

After installing my springs, i waited for a couple of weeks for them to settle in then took it to an alignment shop beause the front tires weren't wearing properly. So they told me i needed a camber kit (different bolts) to get the car properly aligned. Which i did, and its fine now. Just wanted to know if anyone here had to do the same thing. thanks

justthebest

Didn't hear anything about this from my guy, but I only had the springs on for about 2 days.

REDSRT

^^ let them settle in a bit, then take it for an alignment check...I would say in about 3 weeks. The springs will lower and adjust a bit


But my question was, did any of u guys that have H n R springs need a CAMBER kit??...The shops said otherwise an alignment was impossible

justthebest

They were rubbing something FIERCE with my wheels, so I decided to take them right back off and sell them.


The shop that installed / aligned did so without any camber kit. Unfortunately, I just threw away the alignment report sheet.

boomer8800

They couldn't get the alignment right it kept pulling to the left.. Had to get the bolts too.. All is good now..

REDSRT

Really? My car pulled to the RIGHT, actually still does even after the alignment and the bolts

g.smiley

I have the same issue. My car pulls right. I ve had the springs for about a year. My shop has corrected it for the time being, but i dont think it is a permanent fix.

REDSRT

Yup, same here. The guy said sometimes the springs aren't perfect, so one could be .1 mm shorter or taller than other. Sucks

REDSRT

oh well, still looks great lowered tho

Mrbig

how is the ride thou for the most part ? better than stock or no ?

derspi

^^

Better than stock? No, not by a mile. When I got my C63, I couldn't wait to get those springs off the car (previous owner). I love H&R products (specifically their coilovers) but anyone pairing off the shelf lowering springs with stock shocks shouldn't expect much improvement except in looks and a slightly lower CG.

I, too, noticed a pretty obvious pull to the left with the H&R springs, once the stock springs were back on though, the pull went away.

g.smiley

hmmm, i find the car far more planted with the springs than with stock.

Roswell

I heard the "pulling" could be caused by uneven tire wear from the stock spring set-up?? Can someone confirm this theory?

derspi

Ride and handling are two separate issues. A car could feel more "planted" but ride like crap. I'm only commenting on the ride aspect. I'm sure the H&R springs convey better confidence but that is mostly due to the lower CG. How "planted" your car really is, is more a function of your tires.

g.smiley

Thanks for the lesson! Ride is better too.

derspi

^^

LOL, you're very welcome - thought it was more along the lines of common knowledge really. You obviously have a very different perspective when it comes to ride comfort.

bushburninc63

I've learned my lesson from my previous two cars that I have lowered, no more. I keep my cars stock now.

g.smiley

You're so smart. Way to add to the context of the thread.

Canadia rules!

vtsnake

Lowering your car will naturally give it more NEGATIVE camber (front and rear).

The C63 does NOT have camber or caster adjustment in the FRONT. All you can adjust is toe.

Most ppl think when their car pulls that is automatically an alignment issue. That's not the case all the time (hardly at all). Tires cause pulling most of the time. It's called RADIAL pull. Just google it...

Times alignment can cause pulling is:

Front caster is off side to side
Rear Toe is off side to side
Extreme difference in front camber

Mines lowered with H&R springs in the front and OEM spring pads in the back. I chose to do this because I DO NOT like the front sitting higher than the rear. I like it perfectly even. I use the thinest OEM spring pad in the rear and a little taller tire in the back. My fender gap is almost perfectly even front and back.

The front camber is off about a 1/2 degree side to side. I can't remember exactly (I'm too lazy to go in the garage and get the alignment print out) but I believe it's -1.7 LF and -1.2 RF. Total toe in about an 1/8".

The rear (I can't remember but iI know it's at OEM settings). Since it only lowered it 8mm in the rear it didn't change it much.

My car doesn't pull at all...

BTW, I lowered and aligned it myself...

For those of you that have "pull" and it's aligned properly, take your car to a tire shop that has a "Road Force" balancer with "Straight Trac". Have them set the machine in Straight Trac setting and balance your tires this way. The Straight Trac will indicate if it's Radial pull. Unfortunately you can only move the two front tires since the 63 has staggered tires. This will only make it pull the other way if it is indeed Radial pull. But this will at least tell you it's not the alignment...

Anyway, hope this helps...

derspi

Here's some added context - I don't claim to be smart but at least I'm not stupid & ignorant and use smileys.