Switching back to ICE?
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You mean in the USA. In China over 50% of all cars sold are now EVs.
Thank God China is saving the planet from global warming because Democrats sure aren't.
Thank God China is saving the planet from global warming because Democrats sure aren't.
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You mean in the USA. In China over 50% of all cars sold are now EVs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XviKzFv6yg
Thank God China is saving the planet from global warming because Democrats sure aren't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XviKzFv6yg
Thank God China is saving the planet from global warming because Democrats sure aren't.
Plus, they are determined to damage the USA in any way possible.
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I've bought 2 hybrids since buying the EQS one for our kid and one for the wife.. For myself, Im NEVER going back. The EQS is the best car I've ever driven. BTW its in for the first warranty repair the AC is not cooling.
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When it costs under $10 to charge it back to full in my OWN garage, why would I want to an ICE requiring $4-$6 per gallon premium totaling $70-$100 to refuel the tank? High but falling cost of the EV aside, instant acceleration is addictive! While the “first gen” EQS may not be as luxe as an S-class or my former first edition A8, it’s a pretty nice ride, and I’m happy with the lease so far.
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My 2023 EQS 450 4Matic SUV is my third EV following a 2018 Tesla Model 3 and a 2022 Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo. The relatively high trade-in values for used cars through 2022 made it an easy decision to swap into progressively more expensive EVs, just for the fun of it. Now, I am one of the 45% of EV owners that won't be purchasing another one, mostly due to the poor charging infrastructure that makes roadtripping somewhat stressful.
While I regret not getting a luxury ICE sedan in 2021 (like a Porsche Panamera or an MB AMG GT 4-door coupe), I won't be switching to a gas-powered vehicle any time soon. The unrealized depreciation loss on my EQS SUV with 41K miles, combined with the low annual routine maintenance on the EQS SUV help to rationalize living with the pathetic condition of the public charging network.
After retiring in 2021, we went from a 3-car family to an EV only 1-car family. On one hand, this makes sense since my wife does not drive and more than 50% of our mileage occurs on overnight road trips. A second car would be grossly underutilized. On the other hand, having only an EV vehicle makes us extremely vulnerable in the event that our car is involved in an accident or experiences a serious malfunction while on one of our road trips. If we find ourselves stranded on the road and facing a month or longer repair due to an accident or major malfunction, we will most likely be forced into trading in the EQS SUV at a depressed value.
While I regret not getting a luxury ICE sedan in 2021 (like a Porsche Panamera or an MB AMG GT 4-door coupe), I won't be switching to a gas-powered vehicle any time soon. The unrealized depreciation loss on my EQS SUV with 41K miles, combined with the low annual routine maintenance on the EQS SUV help to rationalize living with the pathetic condition of the public charging network.
After retiring in 2021, we went from a 3-car family to an EV only 1-car family. On one hand, this makes sense since my wife does not drive and more than 50% of our mileage occurs on overnight road trips. A second car would be grossly underutilized. On the other hand, having only an EV vehicle makes us extremely vulnerable in the event that our car is involved in an accident or experiences a serious malfunction while on one of our road trips. If we find ourselves stranded on the road and facing a month or longer repair due to an accident or major malfunction, we will most likely be forced into trading in the EQS SUV at a depressed value.
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While I enjoy our EQS sedan, electric cars do not make sense for a lot of the driving public. I'm retired so I take ours to the nearby Mercedes store every 2 or 3 weeks, eat their 'horses orders', drink their fu fu coffees, chat with the people, and charge it for free. At 90% it always displays something over 500 miles of range but I've really never checked it. The car does everything we ask of it quite well. For special outings we choose from our Bentley, Ferrari or our new Z06 Corvette. Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, we don't get to visit the gas station very much any more.
Yeah, I'd get another electric car but I'm not running away from the opportunity to enjoy some ICE based toys while I still can.....
Yeah, I'd get another electric car but I'm not running away from the opportunity to enjoy some ICE based toys while I still can.....
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My 2023 EQS 450 4Matic SUV is my third EV following a 2018 Tesla Model 3 and a 2022 Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo. The relatively high trade-in values for used cars through 2022 made it an easy decision to swap into progressively more expensive EVs, just for the fun of it. Now, I am one of the 45% of EV owners that won't be purchasing another one, mostly due to the poor charging infrastructure that makes roadtripping somewhat stressful.
While I regret not getting a luxury ICE sedan in 2021 (like a Porsche Panamera or an MB AMG GT 4-door coupe), I won't be switching to a gas-powered vehicle any time soon. The unrealized depreciation loss on my EQS SUV with 41K miles, combined with the low annual routine maintenance on the EQS SUV help to rationalize living with the pathetic condition of the public charging network.
After retiring in 2021, we went from a 3-car family to an EV only 1-car family. On one hand, this makes sense since my wife does not drive and more than 50% of our mileage occurs on overnight road trips. A second car would be grossly underutilized. On the other hand, having only an EV vehicle makes us extremely vulnerable in the event that our car is involved in an accident or experiences a serious malfunction while on one of our road trips. If we find ourselves stranded on the road and facing a month or longer repair due to an accident or major malfunction, we will most likely be forced into trading in the EQS SUV at a depressed value.
While I regret not getting a luxury ICE sedan in 2021 (like a Porsche Panamera or an MB AMG GT 4-door coupe), I won't be switching to a gas-powered vehicle any time soon. The unrealized depreciation loss on my EQS SUV with 41K miles, combined with the low annual routine maintenance on the EQS SUV help to rationalize living with the pathetic condition of the public charging network.
After retiring in 2021, we went from a 3-car family to an EV only 1-car family. On one hand, this makes sense since my wife does not drive and more than 50% of our mileage occurs on overnight road trips. A second car would be grossly underutilized. On the other hand, having only an EV vehicle makes us extremely vulnerable in the event that our car is involved in an accident or experiences a serious malfunction while on one of our road trips. If we find ourselves stranded on the road and facing a month or longer repair due to an accident or major malfunction, we will most likely be forced into trading in the EQS SUV at a depressed value.
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While I enjoy our EQS sedan, electric cars do not make sense for a lot of the driving public. I'm retired so I take ours to the nearby Mercedes store every 2 or 3 weeks, eat their 'horses orders', drink their fu fu coffees, chat with the people, and charge it for free. At 90% it always displays something over 500 miles of range but I've really never checked it. The car does everything we ask of it quite well. For special outings we choose from our Bentley, Ferrari or our new Z06 Corvette. Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, we don't get to visit the gas station very much any more.
Yeah, I'd get another electric car but I'm not running away from the opportunity to enjoy some ICE based toys while I still can.....
Yeah, I'd get another electric car but I'm not running away from the opportunity to enjoy some ICE based toys while I still can.....
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I save my 'heavy foot' for track days with the Corvette or the Ferrari. The EQS started out as our 'rain' car but because it's essencially FREE to drive (FREE charging for 2 years), it tends to be the 'go to' ride.
I might visit the gas station once or twice a month now to feed an ICE powered car now....
I might visit the gas station once or twice a month now to feed an ICE powered car now....
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I'm not going back. For what I value in a car (quiet, quickness, comfort) it does not get better than my EQS. Even living in Iowa, I have never had a problem charging while driving long distance, and I've been at this BEV thing since 2015. I drove my CL550 on a bunch of errands around our metro a few weeks ago...I burned 1/4 of my 21 gallon tank doing said errands. How do young families afford to drive their Suburbans endlessly to all the kids' activities?
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I save my 'heavy foot' for track days with the Corvette or the Ferrari. The EQS started out as our 'rain' car but because it's essencially FREE to drive (FREE charging for 2 years), it tends to be the 'go to' ride.
I might visit the gas station once or twice a month now to feed an ICE powered car now....
I might visit the gas station once or twice a month now to feed an ICE powered car now....
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I'm not going back. For what I value in a car (quiet, quickness, comfort) it does not get better than my EQS. Even living in Iowa, I have never had a problem charging while driving long distance, and I've been at this BEV thing since 2015. I drove my CL550 on a bunch of errands around our metro a few weeks ago...I burned 1/4 of my 21 gallon tank doing said errands. How do young families afford to drive their Suburbans endlessly to all the kids' activities?
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My experience has been home charging is a total game changer in terms of convenience and switching to ICE would be a real pain. I could not imagine adding another weekly errand to my list - refueling the car.
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I find that a bit hard to believe. Unless 45% of Ev owners live in rental apartments and have no charging at home.
My experience has been home charging is a total game changer in terms of convenience and switching to ICE would be a real pain. I could not imagine adding another weekly errand to my list - refueling the car.
My experience has been home charging is a total game changer in terms of convenience and switching to ICE would be a real pain. I could not imagine adding another weekly errand to my list - refueling the car.
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That said even if you never charge a PHEV it is more efficient than a regular Hybrid. The reason is that ICE engines have a lot of excess power production, and having a larger battery enables a PHEV to recover more of that wasted energy than a traditional hybrid can. When I had my Panamera Turbo S i was able to get over 30mpg even when the batter was not charged. And when charged I would get over 45 mpg. A regular V8 Twin turbo would have given me around 15-18mph given how I drive. a hybrid version of that would have added maybe 5 mpg but not more. the larger battery and motor of the PHEV is a game changer even if never plugged in.
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When it costs under $10 to charge it back to full in my OWN garage, why would I want to an ICE requiring $4-$6 per gallon premium totaling $70-$100 to refuel the tank? High but falling cost of the EV aside, instant acceleration is addictive! While the “first gen” EQS may not be as luxe as an S-class or my former first edition A8, it’s a pretty nice ride, and I’m happy with the lease so far.
I live in a hurricane zone. I have seen cars lined up for weeks waiting for voltage...maybe at worst two or three days for gasoline. I, for one will not allow an EV in my garage - period. Not because of any technology further than the fact that "they" can always spy on you, watch you and see your cameras.
I would have to guess that MOST of the people on this forum could care less about the cost of a fill up - at the end of the day. For me, I try and figure out how many hours at work I have to be so that I can "afford" something....a tank of gas (averaging about $70 when I fill up)...well, that is well under 15 minutes...and I am no where near the pointy end of the stick for income. The cost of fuel is the least of my concerns.....and, I need yet another set of tires....
As for power tools? Christ - two stoke is the ONLY way to go. Period. My neighbors STILL have a tree not fully down because their lack luster idiotic electric chain saw just cant get the job done.....this is not even a big tree. Another neighbor had a hell of a time pushing their dead electric mower back to the garage....they brought it back to Lowes and got a proper mans mower that takes gasoline
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The way you are describing the use of a PHEV is not how they should be used. In fact it is generally not a good idea to run it in pure EV mode. You should run it in hybrid mode all the time to maximize overall efficiency and range and get a better driving experience because on EV power you have a heavy car with maybe 100hp.
That said even if you never charge a PHEV it is more efficient than a regular Hybrid. The reason is that ICE engines have a lot of excess power production, and having a larger battery enables a PHEV to recover more of that wasted energy than a traditional hybrid can. When I had my Panamera Turbo S i was able to get over 30mpg even when the batter was not charged. And when charged I would get over 45 mpg. A regular V8 Twin turbo would have given me around 15-18mph given how I drive. a hybrid version of that would have added maybe 5 mpg but not more. the larger battery and motor of the PHEV is a game changer even if never plugged in.
That said even if you never charge a PHEV it is more efficient than a regular Hybrid. The reason is that ICE engines have a lot of excess power production, and having a larger battery enables a PHEV to recover more of that wasted energy than a traditional hybrid can. When I had my Panamera Turbo S i was able to get over 30mpg even when the batter was not charged. And when charged I would get over 45 mpg. A regular V8 Twin turbo would have given me around 15-18mph given how I drive. a hybrid version of that would have added maybe 5 mpg but not more. the larger battery and motor of the PHEV is a game changer even if never plugged in.
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I live in a hurricane zone. I have seen cars lined up for weeks waiting for voltage...maybe at worst two or three days for gasoline. I, for one will not allow an EV in my garage - period. Not because of any technology further than the fact that "they" can always spy on you, watch you and see your cameras.
I would have to guess that MOST of the people on this forum could care less about the cost of a fill up - at the end of the day. For me, I try and figure out how many hours at work I have to be so that I can "afford" something....a tank of gas (averaging about $70 when I fill up)...well, that is well under 15 minutes...and I am no where near the pointy end of the stick for income. The cost of fuel is the least of my concerns.....and, I need yet another set of tires....
As for power tools? Christ - two stoke is the ONLY way to go. Period. My neighbors STILL have a tree not fully down because their lack luster idiotic electric chain saw just cant get the job done.....this is not even a big tree. Another neighbor had a hell of a time pushing their dead electric mower back to the garage....they brought it back to Lowes and got a proper mans mower that takes gasoline
I would have to guess that MOST of the people on this forum could care less about the cost of a fill up - at the end of the day. For me, I try and figure out how many hours at work I have to be so that I can "afford" something....a tank of gas (averaging about $70 when I fill up)...well, that is well under 15 minutes...and I am no where near the pointy end of the stick for income. The cost of fuel is the least of my concerns.....and, I need yet another set of tires....
As for power tools? Christ - two stoke is the ONLY way to go. Period. My neighbors STILL have a tree not fully down because their lack luster idiotic electric chain saw just cant get the job done.....this is not even a big tree. Another neighbor had a hell of a time pushing their dead electric mower back to the garage....they brought it back to Lowes and got a proper mans mower that takes gasoline
As for EV in hurricane zone(I also am in hurricane territory), NG generator is my backup plan. In my area, gasoline is not the issue. It's the gas stations that don't have power to pump the gas out of the underground tanks is the main problem. In the past, wide spread power outage from hurricane and tropical storms forced me to drive ~30+ miles to get a tank of gas. If they allow me to setup my own small wind turbines, I would look into it. For long term, I think wind turbine is much more effective than solar. We have so much NG we don't know what to do with it except burn it off at most major refineries. The cost of it is another discussion.
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I live in a hurricane zone. I have seen cars lined up for weeks waiting for voltage...maybe at worst two or three days for gasoline. I, for one will not allow an EV in my garage - period. Not because of any technology further than the fact that "they" can always spy on you, watch you and see your cameras.
I would have to guess that MOST of the people on this forum could care less about the cost of a fill up - at the end of the day. For me, I try and figure out how many hours at work I have to be so that I can "afford" something....a tank of gas (averaging about $70 when I fill up)...well, that is well under 15 minutes...and I am no where near the pointy end of the stick for income. The cost of fuel is the least of my concerns.....and, I need yet another set of tires....
As for power tools? Christ - two stoke is the ONLY way to go. Period. My neighbors STILL have a tree not fully down because their lack luster idiotic electric chain saw just cant get the job done.....this is not even a big tree. Another neighbor had a hell of a time pushing their dead electric mower back to the garage....they brought it back to Lowes and got a proper mans mower that takes gasoline
I would have to guess that MOST of the people on this forum could care less about the cost of a fill up - at the end of the day. For me, I try and figure out how many hours at work I have to be so that I can "afford" something....a tank of gas (averaging about $70 when I fill up)...well, that is well under 15 minutes...and I am no where near the pointy end of the stick for income. The cost of fuel is the least of my concerns.....and, I need yet another set of tires....
As for power tools? Christ - two stoke is the ONLY way to go. Period. My neighbors STILL have a tree not fully down because their lack luster idiotic electric chain saw just cant get the job done.....this is not even a big tree. Another neighbor had a hell of a time pushing their dead electric mower back to the garage....they brought it back to Lowes and got a proper mans mower that takes gasoline
It's clear that you are not a fan of anything electric, but the reasons you give are seriously flawed and that is just my opinion. Regarding spying, I believe that both ICE and BEV cars have virtually the same capability to spy on their owners nowadays. Moreover, cell phones, home security systems, and even home desktops can and do spy more than any car ever could.
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I live in a hurricane zone. I have seen cars lined up for weeks waiting for voltage...maybe at worst two or three days for gasoline. I, for one will not allow an EV in my garage - period. Not because of any technology further than the fact that "they" can always spy on you, watch you and see your cameras.
I would have to guess that MOST of the people on this forum could care less about the cost of a fill up - at the end of the day. For me, I try and figure out how many hours at work I have to be so that I can "afford" something....a tank of gas (averaging about $70 when I fill up)...well, that is well under 15 minutes...and I am no where near the pointy end of the stick for income. The cost of fuel is the least of my concerns.....and, I need yet another set of tires....
As for power tools? Christ - two stoke is the ONLY way to go. Period. My neighbors STILL have a tree not fully down because their lack luster idiotic electric chain saw just cant get the job done.....this is not even a big tree. Another neighbor had a hell of a time pushing their dead electric mower back to the garage....they brought it back to Lowes and got a proper mans mower that takes gasoline
I would have to guess that MOST of the people on this forum could care less about the cost of a fill up - at the end of the day. For me, I try and figure out how many hours at work I have to be so that I can "afford" something....a tank of gas (averaging about $70 when I fill up)...well, that is well under 15 minutes...and I am no where near the pointy end of the stick for income. The cost of fuel is the least of my concerns.....and, I need yet another set of tires....
As for power tools? Christ - two stoke is the ONLY way to go. Period. My neighbors STILL have a tree not fully down because their lack luster idiotic electric chain saw just cant get the job done.....this is not even a big tree. Another neighbor had a hell of a time pushing their dead electric mower back to the garage....they brought it back to Lowes and got a proper mans mower that takes gasoline
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I live in a hurricane zone. I have seen cars lined up for weeks waiting for voltage...maybe at worst two or three days for gasoline. I, for one will not allow an EV in my garage - period. Not because of any technology further than the fact that "they" can always spy on you, watch you and see your cameras.
I would have to guess that MOST of the people on this forum could care less about the cost of a fill up - at the end of the day. For me, I try and figure out how many hours at work I have to be so that I can "afford" something....a tank of gas (averaging about $70 when I fill up)...well, that is well under 15 minutes...and I am no where near the pointy end of the stick for income. The cost of fuel is the least of my concerns.....and, I need yet another set of tires....
As for power tools? Christ - two stoke is the ONLY way to go. Period. My neighbors STILL have a tree not fully down because their lack luster idiotic electric chain saw just cant get the job done.....this is not even a big tree. Another neighbor had a hell of a time pushing their dead electric mower back to the garage....they brought it back to Lowes and got a proper mans mower that takes gasoline
I would have to guess that MOST of the people on this forum could care less about the cost of a fill up - at the end of the day. For me, I try and figure out how many hours at work I have to be so that I can "afford" something....a tank of gas (averaging about $70 when I fill up)...well, that is well under 15 minutes...and I am no where near the pointy end of the stick for income. The cost of fuel is the least of my concerns.....and, I need yet another set of tires....
As for power tools? Christ - two stoke is the ONLY way to go. Period. My neighbors STILL have a tree not fully down because their lack luster idiotic electric chain saw just cant get the job done.....this is not even a big tree. Another neighbor had a hell of a time pushing their dead electric mower back to the garage....they brought it back to Lowes and got a proper mans mower that takes gasoline
But you are right most people here don't care about the cost of fuel. We care about performance and electric beats gasoline on performance. Better leaf blowers, better mowers, better cars. better trucks. Yes maybe a chain saw could be one application where gasoline wins, but even then I am skeptical. I bet an electric product will beat it one day.
There are corner cases where gasoline is better - but they are corners cases. Buying a crappy product for the corner case is kind of dumb.
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You sound like you have no clue. Anyway not a big deal. Seems like your time is up soon.
But you are right most people here don't care about the cost of fuel. We care about performance and electric beats gasoline on performance. Better leaf blowers, better mowers, better cars. better trucks. Yes maybe a chain saw could be one application where gasoline wins, but even then I am skeptical. I bet an electric product will beat it one day.
There are corner cases where gasoline is better - but they are corners cases. Buying a crappy product for the corner case is kind of dumb.
But you are right most people here don't care about the cost of fuel. We care about performance and electric beats gasoline on performance. Better leaf blowers, better mowers, better cars. better trucks. Yes maybe a chain saw could be one application where gasoline wins, but even then I am skeptical. I bet an electric product will beat it one day.
There are corner cases where gasoline is better - but they are corners cases. Buying a crappy product for the corner case is kind of dumb.
The only gas implements I still have is my john Deere tractor and my Stihl backpack blower which I use for snow, the smaller blower got repalcad by another 60V Dewalt.
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