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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 06:51 AM
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my friend just got a tune and ran a 11.91 pass any one out there run better times
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 08:03 AM
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 08:14 AM
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It's like the search function doesn't even exist.
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 09:27 AM
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It's like the search function doesn't even exist.
What is this "search" thing you speak off... Is that like.. french or something...
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by amgph
my friend just got a tune and ran a 11.91 pass any one out there run better times
Which tune?
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 01:15 PM
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Which tune?
That's what I wanted to know.
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by amgph
my friend just got a tune and ran a 11.91 pass any one out there run better times
Was it you? -> https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ml#post4302462

Or your friend? -> https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ml#post4305305
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 02:16 PM
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 03:53 AM
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Which tune?
MHP tune. That car is also running a carbon fibre air box/intake.
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 01:02 PM
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Doesn't matter.........it's not gonna get you into the 11's in vegas.





PS You should come out and finally run your beast at LVMS November 10th.
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 01:27 PM
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MHP tune. That car is also running a carbon fibre air box/intake.
Chalk up another MHP tune car running 11s.
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RStevens63
Chalk up another MHP tune car running 11s.
Although it's a given that MHP tuned C63's can run 11's, other tunes can as well.

It really seems to come down to whether DR's are used and what part of the country you are in. If the weather is good and cool and dry with negative DA, I would posit that any tuning company currently for sale for the C63 will put you in the high 11's (tune + DR category).

How far into the 11's you want to go (with tune and DR only) may be tune dependent. But, maybe not.
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SonnyakaPig
Although it's a given that MHP tuned C63's can run 11's, other tunes can as well.

It really seems to come down to whether DR's are used and what part of the country you are in. If the weather is good and cool and dry with negative DA, I would posit that any tuning company currently for sale for the C63 will put you in the high 11's (tune + DR category).

How far into the 11's you want to go (with tune and DR only) may be tune dependent. But, maybe not.
That's too much of a generalization for me to accept.

We have Raleighc63 running 11.64@120.3 with 3 more passes all with different drivers back to back to back running 11.67-11.77@120+ when the DA was -100'. Every pass he made was a 11.xx first to last all day long.

On the other hand (no offense to anyone just looking at numbers) we have one pass with one car that went 11.94@116mph in -1500' DA--how long has it taken for anyone aside from MPH to do this? 2 years. Every 700' is worth .1 and .5mph at least so the actual spread is even larger than it initially appears.

You will not see -1500' DA in most of the country during most of the year.

Again great job to both drivers.
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RStevens63
That's too much of a generalization for me to accept.

We have Raleighc63 running 11.64@120.3 with 3 more passes all with different drivers back to back to back running 11.67-11.77@120+ when the DA was -100'. Every pass he made was a 11.xx first to last all day long.

On the other hand (no offense to anyone just looking at numbers) we have one pass with one car that went 11.94@116mph in -1500' DA--how long has it taken for anyone aside from MPH to do this? 2 years. Every 700' is worth .1 and .5mph at least so the actual spread is even larger than it initially appears.

You will not see -1500' DA in most of the country during most of the year.

Again great job to both drivers.
No offense taken.

I just wanted to make an 11 second run to prove to myself the car
was capable of this. It took a perfect night but I'll take it.

Obviously, whatever MHP is doing its working because the numbers
don't lie.

After my headers are installed I will be evaluating my current and
other possible tunes. I just wonder if Andy would have a problem
running his tune with MBH headers?
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RStevens63
That's too much of a generalization for me to accept.

We have Raleighc63 running 11.64@120.3 with 3 more passes all with different drivers back to back to back running 11.67-11.77@120+ when the DA was -100'. Every pass he made was a 11.xx first to last all day long.

On the other hand (no offense to anyone just looking at numbers) we have one pass with one car that went 11.94@116mph in -1500' DA--how long has it taken for anyone aside from MPH to do this? 2 years. Every 700' is worth .1 and .5mph at least so the actual spread is even larger than it initially appears.

You will not see -1500' DA in most of the country during most of the year.

Again great job to both drivers.
The reason I responded to your post was because I recall you previously saying at some point that you didn't think any other non-MHP tune-only cars were getting into the 11's.

And at that point, I knew I had seen other times/vids of cars with non-MHP tunes (tune only cars) running in the high 11's.

And lately I have seen several tune only high 11 sec cars that were tune only and non-MHP. I don't really have the desire to locate and post every example of non MHP (tune only) C63's that have run high 11's. But they are out there.

Notice in my post that I mentioned weather and DA as being crucial factors for these good times.

The point I was making was that even though MHP is a sure thing when it comes to achieving the quickest and maybe even fastest C63's, if you want to run high 11's with a tune only (DR's also), you can upload any brand of tune available for the C63 and achieve your goal. This of course depends on weather and DA.

The weather and DA need to be real good for this to happen, but that's pretty much always the case.

Regarding your point about "how long it has taken" a non-MHP tune to achieve 11's, I don't really think that is that significant or relevant, unless we are talking about which tune in a tune only car broke into the 11's first.

Plus, as we have said before, the weather needs to be real good and same with DA, for times and MPH to be good. You never know when the weather will be good. Some years it's better than others. Some tracks are prepped differently from event-to-event.

My generalization or opinion, rather, is that if you would have taken any other tune to the track where people were setting records last night, for a tune-only C63 with DR's, the car could have run high 11's with a decent driver.

Edit: Btw, I like the MHP tune. But ultimately, it comes down to rwhp/rwtq and 60-ft times. The way I look at it is, if a C63 has 410+rwhp and 380+rwtq, and the car has drag radials, with a decent driver, the car can run high 11's in good weather/DA conditions.

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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 06:11 PM
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On a related note I made my first pass last night. Car just has a K1 tune. DA was -900 temp was 34 it was cooolllllddddd. Car went 14.8x with a 3 second 60'.
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Old Oct 24, 2010 | 01:40 AM
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No offense taken.

I just wanted to make an 11 second run to prove to myself the car
was capable of this. It took a perfect night but I'll take it.

Obviously, whatever MHP is doing its working because the numbers
don't lie.

After my headers are installed I will be evaluating my current and
other possible tunes. I just wonder if Andy would have a problem
running his tune with MBH headers?
Props for putting the blood, sweat and tires in! I bet you're still feeling the rush! Great job again.
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Old Oct 24, 2010 | 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SonnyakaPig
The reason I responded to your post was because I recall you previously saying at some point that you didn't think any other non-MHP tune-only cars were getting into the 11's.

And at that point, I knew I had seen other times/vids of cars with non-MHP tunes (tune only cars) running in the high 11's.

and lately I have seen several tune only high 11 sec cars that were tune only and non-MHP. I don't really have the desire to locate and post every example of non MHP (tune only) C63's that have run high 11's. But they are out there.
Actually propain is the first one (tune and DR only) to have done so other than MHP. You may have seen other cars running in the 11s but they have other mods. I've spent hours searching this on the net, I didn't believe they were the only ones either, but I can't disprove it--propain being the exception now.

Notice in my post that I mentioned weather and DA as being crucial factors for these good times.

The point I was making was that even though MHP is a sure thing when it comes to achieving the quickest and maybe even fastest C63's, if you want to run high 11's with a tune only (DR's also), you can upload any brand of tune available for the C63 and achieve your goal. This of course depends on weather and DA.

The weather and DA need to be real good for this to happen, but that's pretty much always the case.
Brother until it actually happens with each and every tune on the market it's just an assumption. I have a like mind in thinking that any good tune should do it, but if we assume they are all good, why are there so few cars doing it? Raleigh has gone 11s (tune and DR only) in both positive and negative DA.


Regarding your point about "how long it has taken" a non-MHP tune to achieve 11's, I don't really think that is that significant or relevant, unless we are talking about which tune in a tune only car broke into the 11's first.
Per dragtimes MHP did it first with a 11.595@119.75 on 10/22/08 at MIR. DA was -1800' but corrected to a 11.89 still. Kind of cool two years later Raliegh runs 11.64@120+!!! I think it's relevant because it shows consistancy and repeatability, also being the first to do something is always a good thing.

Plus, as we have said before, the weather needs to be real good and same with DA, for times and MPH to be good. You never know when the weather will be good. Some years it's better than others. Some tracks are prepped differently from event-to-event.
Agreed weather is huge as is track prep, again though with so many different cars at so many different tracks (in other countries like Australia even) even in positive DA they are still doing it.

My generalization or opinion, rather, is that if you would have taken any other tune to the track where people were setting records last night, for a tune-only C63 with DR's, the car could have run high 11's with a decent driver.
I understand your thinking but life experience tells me don't count your chickens before they're hatched lol.

Edit: Btw, I like the MHP tune. But ultimately, it comes down to rwhp/rwtq and 60-ft times. The way I look at it is, if a C63 has 410+rwhp and 380+rwtq, and the car has drag radials, with a decent driver, the car can run high 11's in good weather/DA conditions.
You never see 2 dynos racing down the track

I don't disagree but again have to fall back on the fact that we're getting into the 4th model year of the C63, if it was that easy, a lot of other guys would've done it already. JMO.

Hopefully we start seeing more track results from everywhere around the world, the more data the better. Im sure we can agree on that!
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On a related note I made my first pass last night. Car just has a K1 tune. DA was -900 temp was 34 it was cooolllllddddd. Car went 14.8x with a 3 second 60'.
Spin city!!!
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On a related note I made my first pass last night. Car just has a K1 tune. DA was -900 temp was 34 it was cooolllllddddd. Car went 14.8x with a 3 second 60'.
Street tires?

With that 60' it sure sounds like it.

You have to feather the gas pedal down slowly almost to the
point of wheel spin or as little spin as possible. You will get
better with practice.

Good luck.
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Props for putting the blood, sweat and tires in! I bet you're still feeling the rush! Great job again.
Feels good.

Regardless of which tune is the best, I think we can all agree
that these cars are absolute beasts.
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Originally Posted by PetroC55
Feels good.

Regardless of which tune is the best, I think we can all agree
that these cars are absolute beasts.
Hell yes! These cars and motors are astonishing. Who would've ever thought a 4000lb 4 door with natur. aspir. V8 would ever run 11s with just a tune and DRs?

If not for the green party who knows how far this platform could have gone with direct injection, dry sump, DCT trans...
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Great run Petroc55.... Welcome to the 11's......
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Street tires?

With that 60' it sure sounds like it.

You have to feather the gas pedal down slowly almost to the
point of wheel spin or as little spin as possible. You will get
better with practice.

Good luck.
yes street tires and very very slick track. picked car up thursday night and was at the track friday night. So I probably had driven the car a total of 60 miles, clueless with the c is an understatement also only made 1 run. season is over up here will get better next year. Haven't been to the dragway in years.
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yes street tires and very very slick track. picked car up thursday night and was at the track friday night. So I probably had driven the car a total of 60 miles, clueless with the c is an understatement also only made 1 run. season is over up here will get better next year. Haven't been to the dragway in years.
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