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Old 12-18-2010, 06:48 AM
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I have a tire rack package. 4 Dunlop 235/40/18's SP Winter Sport 3D's on Rial Wheels with TPMS. Here in Northern NJ I have NO problems in snowy and icy conditions. I drive less than 7K a year and the C63 is my only car. I'd prefer avoiding snow-but sometimes you get caught out ....

Granted,the biggest problem is other *******s driving vehicles not equipped to deal with the weather. Even in COLD conditions the factory Pzero's are seriously handicapped.

You aren't getting summer performance, but the car is far safer.Grip on dry roads is quite good, you won't set any track records,but I've found the Dunlops to be a winner. Get caught in ANY frozen precip with Pzero's and you won't go anywhere. Winter weather=Winter Tires.

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got the dunlop 3d too.

got 4 225-40 18's witch is the recommended size by MB. they work great.
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I've got Michelin Pilot Alpin Sport Winters on SL55 wheels for my winter set-up....awesome tires in the dry and snow

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Per the subject line.. I was wrong.. I figured I could get away with summer tires with minimal amount of snow, and chains in the deeper stuff..

Well, it snowed yesterday in the DC area.. and with just a 1/4 of an inch of snow/slush on the ground (I tried to drive just after it started snowing), my car was doing donuts idling in gear.. Time to get me some snow tires.. or atleast all seasons (Conti DWS should be okay in minimal snow).


So all those who advised me against chains in various other threads... let me have it..

you don't live in Lansdowne, do you? I saw a white C63 try to make it up a hill in front of our kid's daycare. I almost walked over to help push.

I put Conti DWS on C63 wheels for winter and they made it up that hill just fine.
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I run the dunlop 3Ds and they are great... even better is that if you don't drive the car in the winter, having flat spots with winter tires won't matter at all. obviously if you have the money, then get the winter tires if not, hopefully you have another car to drive in the winter time.
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you don't live in Lansdowne, do you? I saw a white C63 try to make it up a hill in front of our kid's daycare. I almost walked over to help push.

I put Conti DWS on C63 wheels for winter and they made it up that hill just fine.
No, I live out near Annapolis (or I could just say Bowie.. but no one knows where that is.. heh..), and its steel grey. It I almost needed a push to make it into my driveway which has a slight incline but a rather crappy bumpy transition from road to driveway, was difficult to make it over the bump. I had to use momentum to carry me over and almost slid into the grass.
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Originally Posted by gsrjc
I run the dunlop 3Ds and they are great... even better is that if you don't drive the car in the winter, having flat spots with winter tires won't matter at all. obviously if you have the money, then get the winter tires if not, hopefully you have another car to drive in the winter time.
My wife's FX35 just pretty well in the snow, but I am not on her insurance, so I prefer not to drive it if I do not have to, currently my commute is 40 miles each way.. that is a lot of distance where anything can happen, and as others have said, the DC area, well most areas, are full of horrible drivers who get twice as bad with any bad weather.

Although, typically its the SUV drivers you see on the side of the road upside down. Just because it has all wheel drive or 4 wheel drive, does not mean you can do 60 mph when everyone else is doing 20....
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Originally Posted by PGT
you don't live in Lansdowne, do you? I saw a white C63 try to make it up a hill in front of our kid's daycare. I almost walked over to help push.

I put Conti DWS on C63 wheels for winter and they made it up that hill just fine.
I have the DWS mounted on my E63, and no issues with the snow that we just received. I think that these tires will be good for this winters snow. I don't think that you need a dedicated winter tire for NoVa. When the tires wear out on my C63 I will replace them with DWS.
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Originally Posted by PGT
you don't live in Lansdowne, do you? I saw a white C63 try to make it up a hill in front of our kid's daycare. I almost walked over to help push.

I put Conti DWS on C63 wheels for winter and they made it up that hill just fine.
If you had been in front of Fairfax Hospital around 5:30 pm on Thursday, you could have given me a push, as I tried to go up a slight incline on my new Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 summer performance tires

I'm a native New Englander, and I thought (stupidly) that my experience would make up for the disadvantage of summer tires in winter. Well, that was a mistake. Couldn't get up my driveway either. I made it through last winter (the worst I've seen in 40 years) here on all-seasons in my C350, so I thought it wouldn't be too much of a problem. Yup, wrong again.
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Originally Posted by Baby Gorilla
If you had been in front of Fairfax Hospital around 5:30 pm on Thursday, you could have given me a push, as I tried to go up a slight incline on my new Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 summer performance tires

I'm a native New Englander, and I thought (stupidly) that my experience would make up for the disadvantage of summer tires in winter. Well, that was a mistake. Couldn't get up my driveway either. I made it through last winter (the worst I've seen in 40 years) here on all-seasons in my C350, so I thought it wouldn't be too much of a problem. Yup, wrong again.
Baby Gorilla,

I was at work when the snow started to fall. I knew better, then to drive my C63 that morning. You get a for that one...LOL. I had the E63 with the Continental DWS tires on it. I left the C63 parked, and just started driving it on Monday, after all the roads were clear. The C63 is a great car, with the right tires Why wouldn't AMG just put A/S tires on for the US Market is beyond me. At least that why, you would have some bite in the light snow.
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Baby Gorilla,

I was at work when the snow started to fall. I knew better, then to drive my C63 that morning. You get a for that one...LOL. I had the E63 with the Continental DWS tires on it. I left the C63 parked, and just started driving it on Monday, after all the roads were clear. The C63 is a great car, with the right tires Why wouldn't AMG just put A/S tires on for the US Market is beyond me. At least that why, you would have some bite in the light snow.

Unfortunately, my only other car is the GT500. It has Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar summer tires and has even more power at the rear wheels. My wife has an AWD Toyota Sienna, but she needs it for the kids.

Now I'm thinking: Why go through the trouble of switching out tires on a car twice a year? Wouldn't it be easier to just pick up a Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8 to use on snowy days?
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Baby Gorilla,

My choices are the C63 with 450 hp with summer tires, or the E63 with 500 hp and A/S Tires I would rather have some traction then none at all. But another vehicle isn't in my future at the moment.
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Great experience with my 235/40R-18 Pirelli Winter 240 Sottozero Serie II XL all 4 corners on stock 18 inch rims for the C63.
this is what I use. fine in the couple of inches of fresh snow this morning.
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Baby Gorilla,

My choices are the C63 with 450 hp with summer tires, or the E63 with 500 hp and A/S Tires I would rather have some traction then none at all. But another vehicle isn't in my future at the moment.
Not in my future either. I'm just kidding about the SRT-8. My wife would literally throw me out. You at least had the intelligence to put appropriate tires on at least one of your cars.
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Originally Posted by Baby Gorilla
If you had been in front of Fairfax Hospital around 5:30 pm on Thursday, you could have given me a push, as I tried to go up a slight incline on my new Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 summer performance tires

I'm a native New Englander, and I thought (stupidly) that my experience would make up for the disadvantage of summer tires in winter. Well, that was a mistake. Couldn't get up my driveway either. I made it through last winter (the worst I've seen in 40 years) here on all-seasons in my C350, so I thought it wouldn't be too much of a problem. Yup, wrong again.
The same thing happened to me last week. I left the house and didn't get far in my Yokohama S-Drives. Turned around after five minutes and the car didn't even make it up the driveway. Got in the house and ordered Dunlop 3Ds from Tirerack. I actually got them the next day and installed them this weekend. Now LET IT SNOW.. Can't wait to try them out.
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Here in Alberta we had a good dumping of snow in a day...
around 30cm... I have Contis TS810 and they were horrible...got stuck at the end of my driveway
I am convinced that Continentals are made for european winters.. less snow more icy/slushy condition
not deep snow applications.
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Not in my future either. I'm just kidding about the SRT-8. My wife would literally throw me out. You at least had the intelligence to put appropriate tires on at least one of your cars.
Those Continental ExtremeContact DWS are some great tires, they have a 540 wear rating, so they will last quite awhile. Outstanding grip in the dry, great grip in the wet, and fairly good in the snow. Their not snow tires, but for what we get around here, their a great compormise. I will outfit the C63 with these same tires, when the Pirellis wear out.
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Live in Fairfax VA, picked up their MSW OZ 18"x8" w/ 235 40 V rated Dunlop Winter Sport 3Ds, here's what they look like on the car ...
Attached Thumbnails Summer Tires and Winter - I'll accept the I told you so's graciously-wheel.jpg   Summer Tires and Winter - I'll accept the I told you so's graciously-halfcar.jpg   Summer Tires and Winter - I'll accept the I told you so's graciously-full-car.jpg  
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how's the traction with such a narrow tire in the rear?
I just got them on today, adjusted the pressure and drove around 10 miles ... they're still not broken in yet. The only thing that would be fair to evaluate at this point is that they feel stable under normal driving, and when pushed in the corners have a 'bit' more of an oversteer tendancy than the 255/35's did. I know MB recommends 225's all around, but the snow fall here in Fairfax just isn't that high (last year not withstanding), so I figured 235's would be OK. Truth be told, if I'd found affordable wheels in OEM size with good winter tires I might have gone that route ... but these were only 143/wheel and 192/tire so it was hard to turn up. I am happy with the purchase and they look better than the pictures.

When the break in color strips on the tires are gone, I'll find out what they can really do and update this thread.

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